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Accepting Reality
    #1038501 - 11/09/02 09:52 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

if anyone's felt that 'turning point' of acceptance, they know what im talking about..

when you see through your mental stalemates, your fears and illusions, and quietly notice how the world works around you.  how it really works, not how you WANT it to work.  seems you are afraid that if you look at it for what it is then you wont be able to accept it, but all you gotta do is try.

hallucinogens led me far away from reality for awhile, but now me and reality are friends, and hallucinogens can come play with us still  :smirk:

anyone relating to this?



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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1038518 - 11/09/02 10:17 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Getting to be 100% compatible with reality is not easy.
It's the best trip i ever had. The problem is staying there.
I dont think psychedelics are compatible with that state of mind.
I think its something that you achive with FULL acceptance of your excistance in its purest form. (the simple action of breathing air in that state is Xtatic!)
It has to do with loving yourself, thus, everyone(+anything) else too...
MDMA gave me an idea of how it is possible to become 100%
acceptable and positive about what was happening in (and around me).
The key is to transfer all of the things that where possible in the intoxicated state of mind, to reality.
Only then you can convince your self that it is true.That it is possible if you want it.


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Sterile]
    #1038527 - 11/09/02 10:25 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

well im not talking about drugs so much really...
i mean when your tripping, while your tripping, that IS your reality, and its right in your face, you dont have to try to hard to see what reality's telling you

on just any normal day i think there are tons of emotions and feelings running through your mind, and alot of them are contradicting reality and ultimately causing you mental anguish

like for example, and acid user looking for that mysterious and wonderful spirit that talked to him while he was tripping, but searching for it while he's sober, and when he can't find it, he either feels like he's failed somehow, keeps looking for something that's not there, or accepts it, and looks upon his reality with fresh eyes

i think drugs CAN give you some hint and direction about reality if used appropriately


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1038599 - 11/09/02 11:23 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think drugs show you another view of the reality you experience every day.
It is just another way of accepting the world around you.(including you) just like a lesson...

No, you dont have to try hard to see what reality is trying to tell you.
What you DO have to try hard for, is to understand that you have the power to control your emotions and feelings that run through your mind, make them compatible with reality, and stop the mental anguish.
You can just keep on trippin' all the time in a few words...

Its about the acid user finding the spirit that talked to him while he was tripping.....There is nothing you can see or hear, that is not real.
The spirit is there man, all you have to do is transfer the spirit world into your world. Only then you will convince your brain that every reality is real.


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Sterile]
    #1038613 - 11/09/02 11:44 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yea i agree with you, the spirit is there always. It is you.

i think its hard for some people to accept it without it being in a form of a direct message, like when your tripping sack.

yes, the hard part is realizing YOU have the power to think however you want. there is no special space you have to stay in. you are not bound to your past.(which is now only a figment of your memory. it is not you)
the mainstream biblical sense of 'right and wrong' is very misleading, and i think can make people feel very unfulfilled and confused, until they make the choices on their own.

its like theyre waiting for some sort of external reward for their moral actions.

i sorta see the acidhead as someone whose created his own religion in his head, and has closed his mind in alot of ways..

accept that reality is totally what you make of it, there are no rules to thinking. But you have to know that the external world works a certain way and won't bend to your will.




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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1038715 - 11/09/02 01:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Great post.

"accept that reality is totally what you make of it, there are no rules to thinking. But you have to know that the external world works a certain way and won't bend to your will."

If I understand you correctly, I think you've contradicted yourself here.
If there are no rules to thinking then how come reality will not "bend to your will" ?

Who's to say that we aren't capable of manifesting our will?

Isn't that what we're all working towards underneath the hustle and bustle of daily life?
Deciding what we deem to be the "right way to live" and making it so?


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1039119 - 11/09/02 05:31 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Nice post.


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1040325 - 11/10/02 04:49 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like ego-loss to me


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1040338 - 11/10/02 05:01 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I hear you man.
I'm constantly swingling through varyious levels of acceptance, or belief in that acceptance, or even willingness to accept that acceptance. I'm afraid to accept anything as concrete now as it just keeps changing. I have, however, accepted that my believed understanding of everything keeps changing, so now I try to enjoy the ride.

Drugs? I have no idea if they do anything worth doing anymore, but they've been interesting thus far. :wink: 


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1040344 - 11/10/02 05:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i feel this coresponds with a post i recently added

my first and last hunt

hopefully that will work? im not sure if you can link post on this board.
heres an excerpt from it.

"when i look at an object i seem to look more at whats in my mind
than whats really there.
disillusioned creatively

cause whats really there?
nothings there. everything is what you make of it

so said the liar..
to keep him from admitting to himself
hes a liar and needs change

i once was in a car
that turned onto a one way 3 lane highway
not paying attention the driver speed up going strait at 3 cars
all withing a very close distance of each other
i yelled.
we pulled to the side quickly
i cried.

because i knew that moment i had been in the wrong this whole time

i was trying to drive against life
trying to dress shit up as a golden ray
my mind was too full of trash
and i was mearly acting the innocent fool
letting myself slip through the cracks
into an undesirable hell

i had to cleanse
and feel the real golden rays
im only now glimpsing the morning break"



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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Monkah]
    #1040570 - 11/10/02 10:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i can relate to that monkah..
ive been tryin to fool myself for too long

Dee, I thought it sounded contradictory at first too... what i meant was that you can choose to be whoever and however you feel like, your not bound to think any sort of way spiritually. But i think if you try and fool yourself into thinking outside forces work a way they don't, then youll put distance between you and your self, cuz i think your spirit needs truth

i would try and offer examples but my head's a little cloudy at the moment.. can anyone help me out with this





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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1041156 - 11/10/02 04:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:


when you see through your mental stalemates, your fears and illusions, and quietly notice how the world works around you. how it really works, not how you WANT it to work. seems you are afraid that if you look at it for what it is then you wont be able to accept it, but all you gotta do is try.





Then you start delving into Quantum Theory, and you really put where you stand into reality, and realize what you thought was reality really wasn't.


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Remy]
    #1041260 - 11/10/02 05:30 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

yikes, keep me away from that stuff... math hurts my head.


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1041291 - 11/10/02 05:45 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Math (as you know it) is nonexsistant in Quantum Theory. Reading about it is more like reading philosphy. Quantum Physics is essentially a scientific explanation of karma.


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Remy]
    #1041302 - 11/10/02 05:50 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Then you start delving into Quantum Theory, and you really put where you stand into reality, and realize what you thought was reality really wasn't.

Hey there Remy.......i'm sure Quantum theory yeilds GR8 results in that direction, but it is my current understanding that there are many schools of eastern philosophy that accomlish much the same thing....

one's own personal awakening, for instance, apart from all dogma and formulated systems or subsystems, seems to dispell the notion that things were EVER as they seemed..........based on my own personal experience* :smile: 

* upon consideration i was decideded to substitue "own personal experience" for "in my opinion"......i realize that by doing so i leave myself open(perhaps deservedly) criticism......but to have done otherwise would have been a deep dishonesty to myself and my life experience


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Edited by FreakQlibrium (11/10/02 05:54 PM)


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1041317 - 11/10/02 05:59 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

I was only using that as an example. Zukav said Quantum mechanics can be seen as a rediscovery of Shiva, the Hindu god of chaos and destruction. My own theory on evolution, is that our souls are made up of quarks. Quarks (and other sub-atomic particles) have been shown to act like concious entities (although an actual Quark has never been observed).


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Remy]
    #1041324 - 11/10/02 06:02 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

I was only using that as an example.

Okay Remy, understood....i'm relatively new to this forum and i wasn't sure if you were being dogmatic about quantum pyshics holding ALL the answers or not, thanks for taking the time to elucidate your position....... :smile: 


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Remy]
    #1041395 - 11/10/02 06:44 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

That sounds very interesting...

i had a feeling you'd say it wasnt about math(as i know it)
well whatever it is, im sure ill never understand it scientifically  :smirk:


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: Grav]
    #1041414 - 11/10/02 06:51 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

reality is what you make of it

you will never know how the world "really" works....noone does....that is why there is philospohy and religion, people trying to understand...

if you don't like the reality you live in....you have to invent your own


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Re: Accepting Reality [Re: FreezingPenguin]
    #1041449 - 11/10/02 07:06 PM (14 years, 30 days ago)

i know youll never know exactly how it really works, but we could probably stand to get a little farther from how it doesn't work... (ie. stereotypes)


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