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Long term effects of the magic mushroom?
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Anyone here know of any long term effects of shrooms? What damage to your body/brain do they cause? I looked online but couldn't find a resource with any studies about this sort of thing. Anyone here know? Thanks.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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As far as I know there is no permanent damage unlike E which depletes serotonin, shrooms just kinda mimic it by latching onto the actual serotonin I think. People said LSD caused gene damage but that was horse shit created by the government. The damage or the positive effects depending on how you look at it will be more than likely done psychologically.

however, there are some long term rare effects such as flashbacks and Post Hallucinogenic Perceptual Disorder (HPPD). these are rare but do happen. A friend of mine got HPPD when we were both in the eigth grade. he's had it since and I am a college junior. ruined his life completely and sent him into a downward spiral of depression. he permanently sees tracers. doctors don't know if it to be psychological or physical, either way he's the one getting the effects. this is a rare disorder and mainly occurs with LSD users but he loved mushrooms and this is what happened after a trip session

not trying to scare, only trying to inform

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk] * 1
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it supposedly advances the aging process.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: felix]
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wtf?? Did your friend's mom tell you that?

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: YellowSubmarine]
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Thanks for the info YellowSub. Sorry to hear about your friend. Was he a heavy user of acid... how much? That is the risk you take, I suppose. Kinda scary, but knowing what the effects could be, in my opinion, are important in making the decision to use these types of drugs. Now, speeding up the aging process... that sounds odd, what's your source?

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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The speeding up the aging process is fucking bullshit to begin with. IN relation to my friend it wasn't acid but shrooms he was doing. He wasn't a heavy shroom user however.

he took a high dose however


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: zeta]
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hhahahahahahhahahhha!!!  :grin:


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
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wow I have to stop smoking weed and posting.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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hey i did mushrooms a couple months ago and sometimes when i stare at the carpet long enough it starts to breath just slightly, could this be HPPD or whatever? should i not do shrooms again?


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
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I goes away after a while.

What little remains- you will adapt to. After a while you won't really notice them.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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Don't let anybody let you think shrooms won't change you.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: YellowSubmarine]
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I don't think HPPD is more common with LSD. I think LSD works very similar to psilocybin. And I don't know why doctors seem to think theres a difference between psychological and physical, because ultimately it is physical. Do research at www.erowid.org, you will also find a link to a site on HPPD if you look around.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Earth_Droid]
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Do we know the chance of HPPD occuring if you take psychedelics? Is it about the same probability as choking to death on a cabbage leaf?


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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It makes your brain bleed!  :grin: As far as I understand mushrooms don't have any real long term side effects. There are people I know who get 90's in school and use mushrooms so there shouldn't be anything wrong with them. Only thing they can cause is a pimple or two if you eat a lot of them because there is a lot of iodine in all mushrooms.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: PoolShark] * 1
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Chances of getting HPPD are pretty slim. And yes, it is a proven fact that you are more likely to get it while taking LSD. The chances though are around 1:500,000 I believe.

it doesn't matter if you get good grades or bad grades, there are long term effects and side effects to everything

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: YellowSubmarine]
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If you are really concerned, go to dancesafe.org, look up LSD in Drug info, scroll down and hit up the link for HPPD. It will tell you all about it.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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The real problem is the long-term effect of aging itself.

By the age of 25, as a male, you're well past your sexual prime.

At 30, your gums begin to recede.

By 35, you go up a full neck size, e.g. from 16 1/2 to 17 1/2.

At 40, the angle of your erect penis goes closer to horizontal, and the distance of your shot diminishes significantly.

By 45, you've become a fat pig unless doing some form of (gasp!) exercise, unless you got lucky genes or aren't with a steady babe.

At 50, your pecker begins to recede (if you can still see it past that gut), and your balls distend lower, eventually having to be tucked into your socks,

At 60, a good bowel movement becomes comparable to the act of physical love in terms of total satisfaction. During more difficult attempts, you may be tempted to break out the shrimp forks.

At 70, the hair coming out of your ears and nose is so thick people mistake you for Yoda.

By 80, strange things are happening to all the outlying body parts, like hair, toenails; your willy hasn't been seen since February and resembles a bloated white sea slug, you fart round the clock and with great rancor, and having sex is like trying to put a steamed clam into a slot machine.

In your 90s, my current age, you start hanging around Shroomery message boards, and a Petula Clark or Melanie tune can get your Depends all squishy.

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All the above can be completely prevented through a regular diet of Frosted Mini-Wheats, ginseng, vitamin C, dank chronic nuggies, soiled panties, and at least 3 gms of dried p. cubensis conumed no less than quarterly.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: vildechayea]
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Man, I would hate to be old.  :crazy:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Murex]
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oh, it'll happen.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: vildechayea]
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ha!

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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^
any other info/links on this subject?
thanks...

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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Psilocin and psilocybin are not dopaminergic like LSD, but in high doses, they are adrenergic, with most of the molecule going to the adrenal glands of which there are many located throughout the body. The body has a limited capacity to produce adrenaline, if you produce too much too often, you'll burn your adrenal glands out eventually, supposedly.

It may also permanently alter your heart rhythm, although I think it has a normalizing effect on it if you don't go crazy with the doses.


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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1221957/pg1
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en
http://www.measurement.sk/2005/S2/Lipkova.pdf
https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/39/n02/Puharich_ELF_Waves.html

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Necropolis] * 1
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Quote:
daenk
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Registered: 11/07/02
Posts: 18
Last seen: 15 years, 9 months


Possibly a new record for dead threads...and replies to people not here...



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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: vildechayea]
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i know there is truth here, but you are hilarious I'm stealing this to share with others. Thanks!


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: felix]
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felix said:
it supposedly advances the aging process.


Even though this thread is ancient, I've never, ever heard this claim before.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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Ya I don't know where I read that. A quick Google search says exactly the opposite for your personality at least.  Fuck....18 years ago we were being fed all sorts of bullshit, seems I just regurgitated it onto this thread, hence the "supposedly".  Being that it was 18 years ago, I don't feel advanced in my aging.  Quite the opposite in fact.  :cheers:


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: felix]
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Crazy to think that guy from earlier in this thread who said he was in his 90s has almost certainly passed on by now.  Unless he was lying about his age


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: individualist] * 1
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Or maybe he kept eating shrooms and is still 90 hasnt aged a day

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk] * 1
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Happiness and clarity.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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I've been tripping for the last 21 years of my life and have had hundreds of trips. The only effect that I have noticed on myself is when I smoke too much weed, I sometimes see my walls and ceiling breathe like when I'm tripping. For the most part I have only noticed positive effects on my such as a deeper insight into the world and religion.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: daenk]
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hiiiiiiiiiii

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: individualist]
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SineWaveform said:
Or maybe he kept eating shrooms and is still 90 hasnt aged a day


While reading this I thought the very same thing
individualist said:
Crazy to think that guy from earlier in this thread who said he was in his 90s has almost certainly passed on by now.  Unless he was lying about his age


I wonder if he is still around

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Shinobi6]
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Legend has it, his is still out there trying to slide a steamed clam into a slot machine.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Gremlinchode] * 2
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Long term effects include:

existential bliss
emotional catharsis
maturity
inter connectedness
liberalism
socialism
democracy
Platonism
oceanic boundlessness
euphoria
peaceful sleep
integration
improved social skills
empathy
satisfying relationships
better sex
kindness
Buddhahood
open mindedness
astral projection
solipsism
god realization
surrender
cosmic oneness
self inquiry
self actualization
chakra alignment
tolerance
kundalini awakening
acceptance
kaleidoscopic awareness
infinite regression
time awareness
open third eye
metaphor awareness
poetic interpretation
literary analysis
film criticism
:smile:

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Soul Flight] * 1
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Soul Flight said:
Long term effects include:

existential bliss
emotional catharsis
maturity
inter connectedness
liberalism
socialism
democracy
Platonism
oceanic boundlessness
euphoria
peaceful sleep
integration
improved social skills
empathy
satisfying relationships
better sex
kindness
Buddhahood
open mindedness
astral projection
solipsism
god realization
surrender
cosmic oneness
self inquiry
self actualization
chakra alignment
tolerance
kundalini awakening
acceptance
kaleidoscopic awareness
infinite regression
time awareness
open third eye
metaphor awareness
poetic interpretation
literary analysis
film criticism
:smile:


May include, hahaha


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: redgreenvines]
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hard to believe these post are from 21 years ago. I wish I would have discovered this forum sooner. I actually wanted to grow mushrooms back then. I was in high school. I knew I could purchase spores online. I just didn’t know what do to with them after that. I’ve only had my first tripping experience 2 years ago. It’s had a positive effect on my life.

The long lasting effects of seeing the universe will last a life time. You can’t unsee that. The deep relationship I have formed with my girlfriend will also always be with me. Looking into a mirror and seeing myself transform into a dragon… yeahthat’s gonna be a long term effect.  The effects that didnt last long was the motivation to do certain projects that I thought about during a trip. I started them but then became disinterested. In the past couple years I haven’t had a consistent supply my mushrooms. A couple months ago I decided to grow mushrooms myself. Thanks to YouTube and this forum I will have grown my own form spores this month. Maybe 21 years from now I will  repost here to give an account of my experience.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Necropolis]
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Old post but again don't care because people need proper information. Shrooms are def dopaminergic. Read into raphe cells and the whole 5ht2a system being synaptically connected to the d1-4 system. It's the reward network and shrooms boost norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin. You may be 25% right only because we don't know if the dopamine release is direct or indirect do to the partial indole agonistic effect of shrooms.

If something impacts dopamine role of thumb it's highly likely to impact serotonin. Vice versa. To what degree depends on drug of choice and dosage. D1 is a primary reinforcer of the striatums reward reinforcement. Same with substantia nigra and other brain regions that make up the reward system. I'll give you an example of direct proof: it works by increasing and modulating glutamate which is the go sign for dopamine. You can't increase glutamate and sodium without increasing dopamine. You can't increase potassium or gaba or magnesium without decreasing dopamine through auto receptors downregulating g protein 5ht2a with 5ht1a activation due to raphe cells. This causes a massive 5ht2a downregulation especially if it's any of these configurations:
K>NA
Mg>NA
GABA>glutamate
5ht1a agonist=5ht2a antagonist (due to raphe cells)

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Mg=magnesium
K= potassium
GABA= the bodies primary neurotransmitter wattage lowerer of dopamine and excitory neurochemicals. Green light for inhibitory neurons.
Glutamate= the bodies primary green light for excitory neurons. Red light for inhibitory neurons. (Dopamine functions more excitory like glutamate so anything to do with increased glutamate will cause a positive correlation increase in dopamine)
5ht1a= the raphe cells inhibitory neuron that is an auto-receptor. As soon as it's stimulated it goes to work by destroying serotonin and dopamine at amounts it's told to destroy (which can turn bad real quick depending on what you took to make this happen and how potent this effect is happening).

    Dopamine is excitory so is 5ht2a derived serotonin. Alcohol is a indirect gaba agonist so it won't speed you up unless you use low amounts or have high tolerance. Marijuana is a glutamate agonist at higher doses which is why there's people that don't get knocked out by it but it's an adenosine reuptake inhibitor which can cause the a1 receptor to turn off and build up sleepy chemical constituents.

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Dr Toadstool]
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Thanks for sharing. Interesting stuff.

Mind if I ask how you learned this?


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Llamando la Mareacion

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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Dr Toadstool]
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Im too retarded to understand the complexity.


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Re: Long term effects of the magic mushroom? [Re: Dr Toadstool]
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Wow so interesting. What would these imbalances translate into in the long term? Psychosis or madness?:rolleyes:

Can you share the source of the relation between  5h2ta receptors and dopamine system? I only found that:
"5HT2A antagonism can increase dopaminergic neurotransmission in the nigrostriatal pathway, reducing the risk of extrapyramidal symptoms. It could also theoretically improve negative and cognitive symptoms in schizophrenia by increasing dopamine release in the prefrontal cortex"


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