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BlimeyGrimey
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Anonymous said: Maybe I'll make some heady connects eh?
With that kind of thinking you'll be back here asking for more advice for another case.
Drug school is not a place to "make new connects". Those people are there because they got CAUGHT! Not the best people to associate with.
Glad your charges will be dropped.
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Seuss
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Re: Busted at last [Re: numonkei]
#10458334 - 06/05/09 05:13 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Now, I wonder sometimes. Why it is health care is an issue for 'progressives' moreso than 'conservatives', (or whatever an independent thinker could call the television clowns and religious party members)?
I've always wondered about this as well. If you look at the "two" political parties in the US, the split doesn't make sense:
1) Republican: fiscal conservative (i.e. small government) but social authoritarian (i.e. big government)
or
2) Democrat: fiscal liberal (i.e. big government) but social liberal (i.e. small government)
What I want is:
3) Conservative: fiscal conservative (i.e. small government) and social liberal (i.e. small government)
Unfortunately, with all of the compromises made, what we the People end up with is:
4) Cluster fuck: fiscal liberal (i.e. big government) and social authoritarian (i.e. big government).
As you said, it just doesn't make sense.
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Seuss]
#10458536 - 06/05/09 07:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: What I want is:
3) Conservative: fiscal conservative (i.e. small government) and social liberal (i.e. small government)
+1
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Cyber
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Seuss]
#10458714 - 06/05/09 08:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: 3) Conservative: fiscal conservative (i.e. small government) and social liberal (i.e. small government)
Unfortunately, with all of the compromises made, what we the People end up with is:
4) Cluster fuck: fiscal liberal (i.e. big government) and social authoritarian (i.e. big government).

What we end up with it the government wanting to screw us end expecting a happy ending BJ afterwards.
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Fraggin
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Cyber]
#10459053 - 06/05/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just plead not guilty to the ticket, and if you have an option, select trial by judge. Explain your situation and let him know that once you're off to Italy, you'll be all about the books, and come back an educated man ready to serve society.
OR
Go see a lawyer, tell him the story 100% truth as it happened. Tell him also your plans for the future. Usually such consultations are free. -Better Call Saul.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Fraggin]
#10461122 - 06/06/09 01:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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You people's mistake is in thinking there are two major parties. There is only one party with two wings. If you want a genuine two party system then start voting green or libertarian and stop giving us these excuses. The only wasted vote is one given to the lesser of the evils, ie the repubmocrats.
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Seuss
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You people's mistake is in thinking there are two major parties. There is only one party with two wings. If you want a genuine two party system then start voting green or libertarian and stop giving us these excuses. The only wasted vote is one given to the lesser of the evils, ie the repubmocrats.
Yep. I describe the "two" parties as opposite sides of the same coin. People think a vote for third party is wasted, but it doesn't take many votes for the "two" parties to start to worry and force some change. Funny, this is one of the few things that John, myself, and Stonehenge all three agree upon.
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johnm214



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Re: Busted at last [Re: Seuss]
#10461594 - 06/06/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Funny, this is one of the few things that John, myself, and Stonehenge all three agree upon.
For sure.
The wasted vote nonsense is usually premised upon an unspoke, and maybe even unconsidered, presumption that if you don't win the election you don't affect politics- nonsense.
It takes 5% of the population to swing many, many elections in our two party system. Just think if even 5% of the public voted for a third part with identifiable platform points that attracted these voters. The politicians know these people don't want to vote for third party folks, they are just left with no other choice.
The politicians KNOW they can get these votes by adding some planks to their platform, and without much risk either. Just 5% would utterly change the country and these are a 5 % that is likely to actually follow the race and know who's catering to them, and then vote for them.
Even ignoring that, a politician that looses cuz of third party votes KNOWS what he needed to do to get them. So does everyone else. You don't need 50% to affect politics- not even close. A small group of folks that vote for an identifiable platform (like the libertarians) can decide who wins and who looses- more importantly it will force politicians to consider the views. Most people aren't worth persuading- they are voting for one or the other parties no matter what. The third party folks are very available to any politician and likely quite informed. These are guys any politician could get on his side, and they know it. When 40% of the country is going to vote for one party regardless, and are thereby worthless to cater to and thereby ignored as the pelosi voters are finding out, even 5% can choose the winner all by themselves. Show them you are among that 5%
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Re: Busted at last [Re: johnm214]
#10468932 - 06/08/09 12:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Makes me think of what Kasparov said when he was running in his country... He said that we have the same problem here with the 3rd party that they have in Russia with the 2nd party. LOL
Kind of makes you think about how free we really are.
-FF
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Stonehenge
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Seuss]
#10471437 - 06/08/09 02:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss, yes, i use that expression too, about two sides of the coin. Another one i like is we are buying a car but we go to the same dealer every time. We get the choice of a red or blue car. But they are the same make and model with a different paint job and a few different options. We can pick the one that promises to stop raiding pot clinics and end the wars or the one who promises something else. We got the blue model but it's a lemon just like the red one was last time.
Stop voting the lesser of the evils!!!
Good point, ff, what really is the difference between here and russia or china? They use to tell us it was that the govt didn't spy on us here. Oooops. And then they said we had a free press. Ooooops. And they said we didn't have to show our papers all the time like over there. Oooooooooops again and again.
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Cyber
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The waisted vote is such a joke.
A few years ago a friend asked me who I was voting for. I told him the name of the libertarian candidate and he responded "oh, you are going to wast your vote and that causes the Democrats to win" His assumption being that I would vote republican if the libertarian party was not there.
I responded with, "No, my vote counts 3 time which is more than yours. When I vote, the libertarian party counts my vote for them. The Democrats count my vote as a lost vote and wonder why, and the Republicans count my vote as a lost vote and try to figure out why."
He then asked "If the libertarian party was not on the ballet who would you vote for?" I responded "I would use the write in option and write the candidates name in"
He then said "If there was no third party which would you vote for Democrat or Republican?" To which I responded nether I just would not vote.
He countered "If you had to vote for one of the two which would it be?" I responded "Thankfully I don't have to vote for ether so I would not vote."
He was getting upset at this point and asked "Ok, a group of military men grab you and drag you to the voting booth and tell you they will shoot you if you do not vote, which would you choose Democrat or Republican?"

My response was "Well, I would no longer be living in a free country and my vote would be as pointless as yours."
That one kinda stopped him in his tracks. The point being that we have a choice and the only wasted vote is when you choose the lesser of two evils and not the better candidate.
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johnm214



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Re: Busted at last [Re: Cyber]
#10472017 - 06/08/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cyber said:
He was getting upset at this point and asked "Ok, a group of military men grab you and drag you to the voting booth and tell you they will shoot you if you do not vote, which would you choose Democrat or Republican?"

My response was "Well, I would no longer be living in a free country and my vote would be as pointless as yours."
That one kinda stopped him in his tracks. The point being that we have a choice and the only wasted vote is when you choose the lesser of two evils and not the better candidate.
I love it man, good answer, and good point.
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Beefy1
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Registered: 05/01/09
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Anonymous said: this happened in Illinois,
In my city, possession of less than 2.5 grams isn't even a misdemeanor I don't think, its a "city ordinance violation",
congrats on getting off with just drug classes. but I'm wondering where in the state of IL is possesion and paraphanalia just a ticket?
I think Chicago was tossing around the idea a few years ago but I didn't think they ever got around to changing anything.
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Beefy1]
#10484597 - 06/10/09 07:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure in Maine if you have less than an 1/4 then its just a ticket.
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nai4433ya
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"You guys were smoking WEED!"
Ahaha,That made me crack up.
Sorry for your badluck.
=[ Thats why I only smoke jays outside,Eat it.
Edited by nai4433ya (06/19/09 10:23 PM)
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udaozzy
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Re: Busted at last [Re: Cyber]
#10541544 - 06/20/09 07:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Terry Stops ARE NOT FOR WEAPONS ONLY. It's for any on-foot search of a person without probably cause for arrest, only reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed. You were mere feet from a person who was just caught with marijuana. No doubt you were nervous and the cop probably heard you say "Shit, cop". Since it's kind of far-fetched that somebody would talk to themselves, he had reasonable suspicion that you were related to the crime. Sorry, OP. Throw yourself on the mercy of the court and tell them how your arrest made you reflect on your life. Make sure to bring up the Italy point. Maybe, just maybe, they'll let you go without formally charging you. But, you waste their time and they are no doubt going to charge you a hefty fine and leave that big mark on your record.
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