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jared11
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Pot and your Lungs
#10357629 - 05/18/09 08:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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First off, I know ANY smoke is not god for the lungs. With that said, I always heard pot smoke is just as bad as cig smoke for you. But, every study I have found to support this, the group studied also smoked CIGS. They're is a large number of pot smokers like me that don't like cigs, or only have one a month at tops. How bad is the smoke for you?
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: jared11]
#10357638 - 05/18/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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It won't increase your chances of getting cancer. It will eventually get your lungs all black/brown with tar.
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use a vaporizer, its better for your lungs
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: panaeolus]
#10357666 - 05/18/09 09:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you use a vape you skip the tar from smoking, and get the effects of a bronchiodilator and expectorant.
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Yup. Although it hasn't been studied, somebody who vapes but doesn't smoke almost certainly has a substantially smaller risk of developing cancer compared to the non-smoking population. Cannabis contains chemicals with proven cancer-preventing and cancer-fighting benefits.
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So what's the brown stuff that cannabis smokers hack up? Magical brown non-tar goodness??
I'm not saying it leads to any substantial complications down the line, but any long-term heavy cannabis smoker can tell you, there's some gray/brown shit that builds up in your lungs.
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I might have to make a poll on this issue later. Because I started hacking up gray/brown shit years before I started smoking cigs. And every heavy long-term smoker I know hacks that stuff up, not just the ones who smoke cigs
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I am also a former cig smoker as well lol
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I dont smoke cigs and I hack up black stuff alot. It comes in spurts, sometimes I hack every morning and sometimes I dont for a few weeks. Also, after smoking too much weed I wheeze alot, and get a burning sensation in chest area.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: jared11]
#10359729 - 05/18/09 04:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Get a vaporizer.
Less lung damage, better quality high, uses less material.
Tastes better, little to no smell.
vapes are the greatest invention ever
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: DieCommie]
#10359736 - 05/18/09 04:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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My doctor always says to me that I must not smoke because I have such great lungs. I always want to mention to her that I've been smoking weed daily, but I hold my tongue.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: jared11]
#10359817 - 05/18/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont smoke pot, though I do have friends that hack up black shit and do not smoke cigs.
Here is wikipedias take:
"The smoking of cannabis is the most harmful method of consumption, since the inhalation of smoke from organic materials such as cannabis, tobacco, and rolling papers can cause various health problems.[22]
In comparison, study on cannabis vaporizing found that subjects were "only 40% as likely to report respiratory symptoms as users who do not vaporize, even when age, sex, cigarette use, and amount of cannabis consumed are controlled."[23] Another study found vaporizers to be "a safe and effective cannabinoid delivery system."[24][25]
A 2007 study by the Canadian government found cannabis smoke contained more toxic substances than tobacco smoke.[27] The study determined that marijuana smoke contained 20 times more ammonia, and five times more hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen oxides than tobacco smoke. In spite of this, recent studies have been unable to demonstrate a direct link between lung cancer and frequent direct inhalation of marijuana smoke. While many researchers have failed to find a correlation,[28][29] some researchers still conclude that cannabis smoke poses a higher risk of lung cancer than tobacco.[30] Some studies have even shown that the non-intoxicating ingredient CBD found in marijuana may be useful in treating breast cancer.[31]"
Citations: 27: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7150274.stm
28: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060526083353.htm
29: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html
30: http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSHKG10478820080129
So its conflicting, you choose your own fate as always
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chespirito]
#10359885 - 05/18/09 05:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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....I think I need a vape...
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I have been a mod to heavy mj user for the past 13 yrs. and I have maybe smoked a total of 3 packs of cigs in my lifetime.
I have never coughed up anything, nor have I ever had any sort of chronic, hacking type cough that is often exhibited by my cig smoking friends.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: MrBump]
#10359945 - 05/18/09 05:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used to get respiratory problems when I was smoking pot every day and I cough up mucus shit constantly.
I didn't smoke cigs.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: MrBump]
#10359967 - 05/18/09 05:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Same as Mr Bump. I even breath a little better when I smoke weed a lot, but then I'll buy a pack of cigars and by the time I'm done with them I'm hacking shit up every night.
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Quote:
Entropymancer said: Yup. Although it hasn't been studied
see there's the problem with vaporizers, the only studies that have been done were pro marijuana groups that are more than willing to tamper with the outcome in order to sell their partners $300 smoking machine... I'm yet to see any proof that using a vaporizer is any better than a pipe or bong
now people run around claiming that it's a safe way to smoke, that only THC vaporizes and that's all you get and that it leaves all the toxins behind
um... yeah, sure thing clyde
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TBH, I don't pay much attention to the large majority of previous cannabis studies, especially government ones.
It's well known that governments restrict funding and cannabis itself to any research that shows cannabis is positive.
At the same time, heavily fund, supply and publish any material that shows cannabis is negative.
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see there's the problem with vaporizers, the only studies that have been done were pro marijuana groups that are more than willing to tamper with the outcome in order to sell their partners $300 smoking machine... I'm yet to see any proof that using a vaporizer is any better than a pipe or bong
I'll give you one, I can run a vaporizer through a bong, vaporizer 50g+ and get high all day everyday for months on end.
At the end of it, the water is basically clear, with a slight yellow resin tinge.
1g of combusted smoke would dirty up the bong far greater.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chespirito]
#10360041 - 05/18/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chespirito said: recent studies have been unable to demonstrate a direct link between lung cancer and frequent direct inhalation of marijuana smoke. While many researchers have failed to find a correlation,[28][29] some researchers still conclude that cannabis smoke poses a higher risk of lung cancer than tobacco.
lol... I love modern science
"well there's no proof but since the opinion of the day is that pot causes cancer, I think we should run with it, opinion is better than fact right?"
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chubba]
#10360062 - 05/18/09 05:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chubba said: It's well known that governments restrict funding and cannabis itself to any research that shows cannabis is positive.
they can ban private funding, they can prohibit the research though
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I can run a vaporizer through a bong, vaporizer 50g+ and get high all day everyday for months on end.
At the end of it, the water is basically clear, with a slight yellow resin tinge.
1g of combusted smoke would dirty up the bong far greater.
maybe because you're actually buring more organic matter, producing carbon as well as what ever is in the smoke
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10360070 - 05/18/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have no idea how you deduced that from reading the wikipedia section
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chubba]
#10360072 - 05/18/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chubba said: Get a vaporizer.
Less lung damage, better quality high, uses less material.
Tastes better, little to no smell.
vapes are the greatest invention ever
you're forgetting the Shamwow, the vaporizor is the potheads equivelent, everyone has to have one
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10360075 - 05/18/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe because you're actually buring more organic matter, producing carbon as well as what ever is in the smoke
So how is vaporizing not significantly healthier then?
Am I missing something here?
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10360100 - 05/18/09 05:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Green Dragon... Made with hash...
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chespirito]
#10360102 - 05/18/09 05:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chespirito said: I have no idea how you deduced that from reading the wikipedia section
it states plainly that researchers have found no link what soever to cannabis and cancer yet they're still insisting it does
it's voodoo science
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10360131 - 05/18/09 05:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Huh? It gives two citations to researchers claiming the opposite
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chubba]
#10360173 - 05/18/09 06:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe because you're actually buring more organic matter, producing carbon as well as what ever is in the smoke
So how is vaporizing not significantly healthier then?
Am I missing something here?
how is it significantly healthier, because of the claims by an ad in high times? is it because some pro marijuana 'research lab' has deemed it to be so, how is it that with 483 chemicals found in marijuana only THC has a vaporization point low enough that it suddenly makes smoking the material safe, what's the vaporization temp for THC, what's that temperature for the hydrocarbon, alcohols, vitamins, ketones, sugars, etc...
every 'study' I've seen is presented by corporations or some other pro pot organization... of course there cant be a bias there
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chespirito]
#10360188 - 05/18/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chespirito said: Huh? It gives two citations to researchers claiming the opposite
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recent studies have been unable to demonstrate a direct link between lung cancer and frequent direct inhalation of marijuana smoke. While many researchers have failed to find a correlation,[28][29] some researchers still conclude that cannabis smoke poses a higher risk of lung cancer than tobacco.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10360230 - 05/18/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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how is it significantly healthier
...because my bong is 50-100x cleaner when I pass vapor through it then smoke?
Seems pretty legit.
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Chubba]
#10360346 - 05/18/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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my butt is 100x cleaner when I use toluene, that doesnt mean it's healthier
seems most herbs vaporized are at temperatures a good bit lower than marijuana, MJ is done at around 200C, tobacco, lemon balm and ginko is as low as 140C, lavender vapes at 130C, cloves at 135C
still believing the propaganda, aside from the cannabinols what else is in that 'vapor'
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Re: Pot and your Lungs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10360403 - 05/18/09 06:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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my butt is 100x cleaner when I use toluene, that doesnt mean it's healthier
I know one thing for sure, it definitely causes less stress on MY lungs.
I ride A grade criterium/train 7 days a week. I noticed an immediate performance increase once I quit smoking and started vaporizing, my lungs are feeling better everyday.
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