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True Democracy
    #1035690 - 11/08/02 12:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In the week that Parliament was manipulated by the Government and denied a proper vote on whether Britain should join the Bush gang in its assault on Iraq, many thousands of people will converge on London in what is expected to be the greatest demonstration against war for a generation.

Not since the days when American presidents were prepared to use nuclear weapons in Europe will there be such a demonstration of the popular will opposing violence as a means of resolving disputes between nations. A sea of people will cover much of central London and Hyde Park; and they will demand that a great crime is not committed in their name. As the opinion polls make clear, they represent the majority of the people of Britain.

What is at stake is not only an illegal and unwarranted attack on another sovereign state that offers us no threat, but the credibility of the British parliamentary system. If Tony Blair uses the royal prerogative, "the absolute power of kings", to join Bush's attack on Iraq, he acts in a manner no different, in principle and deed, from Germany's unprovoked attacks that ignited the Second World War.

Read Hitler's speech in September 1938, on the eve of the invasion of Czechoslovakia. "I know quite well," he ranted at the great Nuremberg rally, "that through forbearance one will never reconcile so irreconcilable an enemy as are the Czechs ... Herr Benes (the Czech leader) plays his tactical game; he makes speeches, he wishes to negotiate... But in the long run that is not good enough!"

The historian Correlli Barnett commented: "Change Czechs and Benes to Saddam Hussein and the speech could have been drafted in Washington today. Needless to say, President Benes's Czechoslovakia in 1938 posed no threat to Germany and was militarily outclassed -just as the militarily even more outclassed Iraqis today in no way threaten the US or the UK."

Blair's "dossier" of Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" was written mostly in Washington by the disgraced intelligence agencies that offered America not a hint of warning of the attacks of September 11 last year. The Foreign Office here has not even bothered to change the American jargon. Its 50 pages began with an outright distortion, as a Mirror editorial pointed out on Wednesday, claiming that a report by the International Institute of Strategic Studies "suggested Iraq could assemble nuclear weapons within months."

IN fact, the Institute's report concluded that Iraq was years from even developing, let alone perfecting and making, nuclear weapons.


Don't worry, B. Caapi

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Re: True Democracy [Re: Xlea321]
    #1035849 - 11/08/02 01:03 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government PDF file

Nuclear weapons: timelines
23. In early 2002, the JIC assessed that UN sanctions on Iraq were hindering the import of crucial goods for the production of fissile material. The JIC judged that while sanctions remain effective Iraq would not be able to produce a nuclear weapon. If they were removed or prove ineffective, it would take Iraq at least five years to produce sufficient fissile material for a weapon indigenously. However, we know that Iraq retains expertise and design data relating to nuclear weapons.  We therefore judge that if Iraq obtained fissile material and other essential components from foreign sources the timeline for production of a nuclear weapon would be shortened and Iraq could produce a nuclear weapon in between one and two years.

This is page 29 of 55 in the PDF file.  John Pilger's cited quote "suggested Iraq could assemble nuclear weapons within months." Does 24 months count?  And from the IISS page found here.

Our net assessment of the current situation is that:
-It would require several years and extensive foreign assistance to build such fissile material production facilities.
-It could, however, assemble nuclear weapons within months if fissile material from foreign sources were obtained.

From what I have read from Blair's doc and the IISS they are in agreement.  John Pilger is manipulating the language to make it seem US/UK is overestimating Iraq's potential.  :mad:  Shame on him.

Edit:  Personal opinion ... I stongly suggest everyone to go read both articles, they are well written!  A bit long but very informative

Edited by Frog31337 (11/08/02 01:08 PM)

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