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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10369752 - 05/20/09 03:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> they must just be polling Bankers to get that 64% approval rating...

... and UAW members


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: Seuss]
    #10376957 - 05/21/09 05:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This country is going downhill fast.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #10377008 - 05/21/09 05:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you can almost hear the flushing/swirling sound....


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: supernovasky]
    #10379542 - 05/22/09 02:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It was an effective speech but it should have been given over a month ago before the critics gained momentum.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: rizingfire]
    #10379887 - 05/22/09 04:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The amount of money he just wasted could have given us each $425k and that would have fixed the economy yet this POS gave it to the rich instead.



Let's see, 300 million people x $425k/person = $127.5 trillion.  Fortuntely, Obama's not spending that much.  But if he was, I'd agree with you.

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I am mad and hate that black piece of shit. After all he played the race card to win it...



Actually, he played the "I'm not a Republican" card to win it.

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The worst part was he made them cover their statues or refused to speak...



Wut???


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: supernovasky]
    #10381691 - 05/22/09 02:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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However you feel about Obama, I really think that he hit this speech out of the ballpark. I was watching it with an old couple who have a "no clinton" sign up on their wall, with Bill Clinton crossed out. They are quite republican... and yet, after watching this speech, they were floored and impressed beyond all means. I love the kind of unity that he promotes and speaks about in this speech, and I think he quickly diffused the abortion position controversy and made the protesters seem pretty dumb rather quickly.

You can watch the video here.

What did you think of it, if you saw it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/17/obama-notre-dame-speech-l_n_204389.html





Let me state that I am catholic and anti-abortion. Right or wrong, that's what I believe.


I see nothing wrong with being outraged that a person who is one of the most liberal on abortion is invited to the commencement speech at one the premier catholic uni's and giving him a law degree... :rolleyes: does not compute.

Honestly though, it's not about atheists vs. Catholics vs. Muslims vs. Mormons vs. pro-life vs. pro-right vs. whoever. It's an issue about rules. Notre Dame is a Catholic university and should follow those rules, especially when it's so explicity agaisnt the rules word-by-word. It's also a inner-Catholic issue.

That said, being outraged and protesting is fine by me. Disrupting the speech like that one guy is rude.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: CowFarmer]
    #10381751 - 05/22/09 02:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm PRO LIFE  :lifesaver:  but not catholic. (or christian)

IMO Obama had a right to speak at the University.

But I disagree with Notre Dame (a catholic school?) giving him an Honorary Degree

Whores......


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10388951 - 05/24/09 01:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm PRO LIFE  :lifesaver:  but not catholic. (or christian)

IMO Obama had a right to speak at the University.

But I disagree with Notre Dame (a catholic school?) giving him an Honorary Degree

Whores......





Yeah Notre Dame is one of the top Catholic uni's. Just to bore you with the Catholic teachings on this:

In the last couple of years the US bishops issued a statement regarding Catholic institutions and politicians saying "Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles... [but] We cannot cut off dialogue. ... We will rarely persuade if we have no dialogue or cannot make our case." This was issued in 2004, long before Obama's prime time.

It also caused an up roar because it was suggest pro-abortion politicians should not receive the Eucharist (a big deal to a Catholic). link to statement


Basically to sum it up all nice and pretty. It's kosher if Obama goes to Notre Dame for dialogue and discussion but what he was invited for was nothing of the sort. So that's what caused the uproar.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: CowFarmer]
    #10390854 - 05/24/09 02:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Kind of funny though, considering that the catholic church has the same prohibition on the death penalty that it does on abortion, and believes that both are morally wrong, yet there was no such outrage when Bush went to Notre Dame (and he was governor of a state that executes retarded people!).


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: supernovasky]
    #10391030 - 05/24/09 03:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Kind of funny though, considering that the catholic church has the same prohibition on the death penalty that it does on abortion, and believes that both are morally wrong, yet there was no such outrage when Bush went to Notre Dame (and he was governor of a state that executes retarded people!).



:werd:


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: supernovasky]
    #10391926 - 05/24/09 06:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Kind of funny though, considering that the catholic church has the same prohibition on the death penalty that it does on abortion, and believes that both are morally wrong, yet there was no such outrage when Bush went to Notre Dame (and he was governor of a state that executes retarded people!).




The difference being that Bush was not advocating mandatory death penalty across all states.  As governor and president, he was simply enforcing law that was passed by will of the people.  Had Bush been actively pushing to expand the death penalty, I suspect his reception would have been as controversial as Obama's.

Reinforcing this point, Obama has done nothing to limit the use of the death penalty at the federal level, or pushed for the states to limit its use.  However, Notre Dame didn't bring this issue up with Obama either.

:werd: :rolleyes:


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: supernovasky]
    #10392121 - 05/24/09 07:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Kind of funny though, considering that the catholic church has the same prohibition on the death penalty that it does on abortion, and believes that both are morally wrong, yet there was no such outrage when Bush went to Notre Dame (and he was governor of a state that executes retarded people!).





Yea I thought this for the longest time too but it actually turns out to be wrong.

According the Catholic Church there _are_ circumstances where the death penalty is justifiable. Strange to us now but if you look into the Bible there are cases of executions and such.

Also official dogma :
"2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty,..."

That being said, it's not encouraged usually. It is only allowed if there is 'no other recourse'.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: rizingfire]
    #10395485 - 05/25/09 12:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Obamma is one of the biggest frauds we have elected to date, everyone who voted for him should be executed for being so stupid. The amount of money he just wasted could have given us each $425k and that would have fixed the economy yet this POS gave it to the rich instead. He is the most socialist voice in the senate, he should have been put to death for treason, not elected as president. People like him are the single worst thing to happen to the country...it isn't progress that is for sure...and the change he promised...all lies, just like everything else he said...so ya I am mad and hate that black piece of shit. After all he played the race card to win it...




How are you still allowed to post on the Shroomery after this hate-filled diatribe? Obama and his supporters should be killed (by who?) and he's the "most socialist" Senator for supporting the rich elite. You don't sound mature enough to engage in political discussion and I know this isn't a troll because you're not humorous or smart enough to pull that off.

On topic, there's not a good enough reason NOT to give Obama an honorary degree. He drew a lot of applause from that crowd, and boo's toward the protestors, so the statement that pro-choice politicians are not welcomed is obviously false. The Catholic bishops are way behind the social curve. Obama clearly enunciated that abortions should be reduced by increasing support for adoption programs, prenatal care, and young mothers. I don't know if he specifically mentioned it at Notre Dame but he also ended Bush's subsidies to abstinence-only sex education groups which is a major risk factor for unwanted teenage pregnancies. That has been empirically proven, by the way.

So unless you're arguing that Obama is literally PRO-abortion, Catholics should moderate themselves and take a step back and find the common ground they have with everyone else.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: THC Titan]
    #10395560 - 05/25/09 01:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How are you still allowed to post on the Shroomery after this hate-filled diatribe?



The mods are all conservative, and allow conservatives to say anything, while liberal posters are promptly warned for any negative remarks.

Consider this is your first warning.  :wink:


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10395612 - 05/25/09 01:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> The mods are all conservative, and allow conservatives to say anything, while liberal posters are promptly warned for any negative remarks.

And how many times have you been warned or banned for your socialist opinion?  (I see one warning for calling somebody an asshole.)  How many people were banned before the elections for the hate filled comments they were directing towards Palin?

> How are you still allowed to post on the Shroomery after this hate-filled diatribe?

We try not to censor opinions.  As long as the poster isn't verbally attacking another member of the forum, then they probably aren't breaking any rules, and they won't get banned.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: Seuss]
    #10395630 - 05/25/09 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I got a perma-ban for beating up on Ron Paul.  From an admin.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10395673 - 05/25/09 01:42 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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How are you still allowed to post on the Shroomery after this hate-filled diatribe?



The mods are all conservative, and allow conservatives to say anything, while liberal posters are promptly warned for any negative remarks.

Consider this is your first warning.  :wink:




You've got to be kidding me.  No moderators gives a fuck how hate-filled speech is unless it's directed at a poster here as a flame.


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: Seuss]
    #10395844 - 05/25/09 02:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And how many times have you been warned or banned for your socialist opinion?  (I see one warning for calling somebody an asshole.)  How many people were banned before the elections for the hate filled comments they were directing towards Palin?




Unless it was directed at her for being a woman, pretty much any criticism of Palin is justified by her insane thought processes!


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #10397196 - 05/25/09 07:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm PRO LIFE  :lifesaver:  but not catholic. (or christian)

IMO Obama had a right to speak at the University.

But I disagree with Notre Dame (a catholic school?) giving him an Honorary Degree

Whores......





It's not so much that I'm "pro-choice" as I am "anti-human".


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Re: President Obama's Notre Dame Speech [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10398459 - 05/25/09 10:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

> I got a perma-ban for beating up on Ron Paul.  From an admin.

That explains why you are still here.  :wink:

Mistakes do happen, but we try to self correct and have a fairly good record of righting our wrongs.  (Besides, you should know better than to taunt happy fun ball!)


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