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Legality of pills in original/older containers
    #10353521 - 05/17/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

This is probably pointless to ask, but I'd rather avoid any problems. Can't afford a lawyer and always wondered this stuff anyway. The most illegal thing I do is sometimes go over the speed limit, which is rare since I must compulsively check my speed everytime I shift gears.


I am prescribed two different drugs that would get the average person arrested with felony charges. I constantly need to count my pills and don't feel safe without a week's supply anywhere I go (this is on record at my psychiatrist).

It's a compulsion thing, but I need to have them in my bag, in my car, and at work. I use older original bottles and keep the same type of prescribed pill in their respective bottles. No baggies, film canisters, anything.

If I was to ever get searched, what would I be looking at? If I was at work they'd find the same number of pills in my desk as they did in my car with two different dates on the bottles. If it got to the point of searching my house, they'd find a total of 3 bottles per drug with the same # of pills. (i.e. March 20x, April 20x, May 20x).

I'm thinking along the lines of 'intent to sell' when it's just a compulsion. Three narcotics bottles with the exact same number in each would even make me think someone was selling them.

They're all from the same pharmacy, same name, proper drug in each bottle, etc. Is this illegal? It'd also look like I'd be filling them early just to have more, too.

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #10353574 - 05/17/09 02:10 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

If you have a script you are looking at nothing as long as your name is on those bottles.


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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Prof. Astro]
    #10353730 - 05/17/09 02:38 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

I hope such is the case. Thank you.

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #10353780 - 05/17/09 02:47 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

So what is the situation?


The doctor knows what you are doing, exactly, and has prescribed you the pills?



The only thing I'd recomend is to make absolutely sure your doctor can't back out and claim he didn't know/approve of what you were doing.  If its your ass vs his (some dea reg he didn't know about) he might ditch yours.  Just make sure its on file and you can prove he knew about it.


If you actually want to know the legality we'd know the jurisdiction your talking about.  This would generally be the state if your in the US.



Do you keep more pills than you have a valid prescription for?  Are you keeping extras or something?

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: johnm214]
    #10353883 - 05/17/09 03:08 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

No, I don't keep extras. I take them at a specific time every day and know exactly how many are in each at any given time.

When I get a new script I divide it up into threes and put them in separate bottles - car, bag, work. The problem with work is that they can search our workstations and vehicles at any given time for any reason (state job). Thus, they can find a current bottle with say, 30x, and a month-old bottle in the car with 30x.

If I was to go a day without one of them, considering the dose, I would go into a grand mal seizure. Nearly had this happen once. It was very frightening and most likely the source of this compulsion.

Then that bled into the other script because it 'made sense' to me. The psych said it was ok, but she's not a lawyer. All are prescribed legitimately and have been for many years at the same dose.

These are "must take every day" drugs. The pharmacy messed up once and shorted me 1 pill, and it threw me off completely.

I've never sold one and don't have the means (or drive) to even do so. It would severely affect my mental and physical health if I was to get shorted one :mad2:

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #10353904 - 05/17/09 03:12 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

The amount you get every month is a certain number, yes?  Whether you recieve new scripts or every so many months, what is the number of pills you get every month?



Is the amount you have in all these places in excess of this amount?



Generally if it is not you should be cool.  To check out what the law is on keeping things in old bottles  you'd need to tell us the state your in.

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: johnm214]
    #10353971 - 05/17/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

150x every month. 50/50/50
120x every month. 40/40/40

The amount is never in excess, never filled early, etc. Everything functions like clockwork down to the tee.


Ugh, hate doing this. Connecticut.

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #10354161 - 05/17/09 04:09 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

I wouldn't worry about it at all honestly.


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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #10354263 - 05/17/09 04:26 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

It sounds like your getting benzodiazepines, correct? Valium, xanax, whatever?

I believe you should be cool.  If you get narcotics as defined below, however; you cannot keep it outside of the original container.  The possesion statute seems to include any violation of the chapter in which these prohibitions are found.
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    Sec. 21a-279. (Formerly Sec. 19-481). Penalty for illegal possession. Alternative sentences. (a) Any person who possesses or has under his control any quantity of any narcotic substance, except as authorized in this chapter, for a first offense, may be imprisoned not more than seven years or be fined not more than fifty thousand dollars, or be both fined and imprisoned; and for a second offense, may be imprisoned not more than fifteen years or be fined not more than one hundred thousand dollars, or be both fined and imprisoned; and for any subsequent offense, may be imprisoned not more than twenty-five years or be fined not more than two hundred fifty thousand dollars, or be both fined and imprisoned.








Would you be charged if you kept narcotics in such a manner?  Doubtful I would hope, but techincally since you transfer new drugs to an old bottle, it is not being kept in the bottle in which it was dispensed and you violated the law and possesed drugs in a manner not authorized by the chapter.  This is an overly technical and litteral reading of a stupid dumb ass law, but that doesn't mean the courts and prosecutor won't read it the same way.  It is, after all, exactly what it says..


The solution seems clear- get your doctor to write the prescription so that you get your drugs in three different bottles every month or get the pharmacist to dispense them as such.  I'd personally do this even if I didn't have narcotics, but its your call.  The pharmacist may not do this without instructions from the physicisan however.


If you want an answer to be confident in you should talk to an attorney.  The law is often complicated and stupid (as we see here with the original bottle requirement) and don't assume I know what I'm talking about.  I just looked through a part of the law for a few minutes.  Be safe.

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      Sec. 21a-257. (Formerly Sec. 19-464). Person receiving narcotic drug to keep it in original container. A person to whom or for whose use any narcotic drug has been prescribed, sold or dispensed by a physician, dentist, pharmacist or other person authorized under the provisions of section 21a-248, and the owner of any animal for which any such drug has been prescribed, sold or dispensed may lawfully possess it only in the container in which it was delivered to the recipient by the person selling or dispensing the same except as may be authorized by regulations adopted hereunder.






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      (30) "Narcotic substance" means any of the following, whether produced directly or indirectly by extraction from substances of vegetable origin, or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis: (A) Morphine-type: (i) Opium and opiate, and any salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium or opiate which are similar thereto in chemical structure or which are similar thereto in physiological effect and which show a like potential for abuse, which are controlled substances under this chapter unless modified; (ii) any salt, compound, isomer, derivative, or preparation thereof which is chemically equivalent or identical with any of the substances referred to in clause (i), but not including the isoquinoline alkaloids of opium; (iii) opium poppy and poppy straw; (B) cocaine-type, coca leaves and any salt, compound, derivative or preparation of coca leaves, and any salt, compound, isomer, derivatives or preparation thereof which is chemically equivalent or identical with any of these substances or which are similar thereto in physiological effect and which show a like potential for abuse, but not including decocainized coca leaves or extractions of coca leaves which do not contain cocaine or ecgonine;



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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: johnm214]
    #10354520 - 05/17/09 05:16 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

John I think you're scaring him too much.

How would they prove that the pills were in the wrong bottles?  If I miss a few doses of something I might end up with a few extra at the end of the month.  Now I have to fill my script anyways otherwise the insurance won't pay.  So I end up with an old bottle with a few old pills in it.  I might stash those pills at work or in my car or something, there's nothing illegal about that.

Anyways there's zero chance that a cop would question a legit script in a bottle that matched the type of pill.

It's foolish to worry about it.


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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: fastfred]
    #10354662 - 05/17/09 05:48 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

The shit part is that I know it's foolish to worry about it, but I have no control over that. =/

Thanks for the help guys.

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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #10374715 - 05/21/09 06:48 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

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Anonymous said:
The shit part is that I know it's foolish to worry about it, but I have no control over that. =/






actually yes you do, but that is another thread completely, start it up in the mental/physical wellness forums pls :smile:...


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Re: Legality of pills in original/older containers [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #10402185 - 05/26/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ten years of therapy still can't fix it. Let's leave that be.


Anyway, thank you all for your contributions to this thread. One less thing to worry about might seem like nothing to the general community, but it means the world to me. :mushroom2:

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