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waui
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if aliens exist
#10339011 - 05/14/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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we should start to stockpile trading materials to get in their market
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: waui]
#10339029 - 05/14/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm hoping to trade my jar of sperm, for a hooker with 3 tits.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: Groomies]
#10339388 - 05/14/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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To me its inconceivable that aliens capable of traveling the galaxy would give a shit about anything we have.
We're just one more planet, what have we got that they couldn't find elsewhere? Fresh fruit?
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: laserpig]
#10339862 - 05/14/09 07:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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laserpig said: To me its inconceivable that aliens capable of traveling the galaxy would give a shit about anything we have.
We're just one more planet, what have we got that they couldn't find elsewhere? Fresh fruit?
Maybe some aliens have a watch over mankind?
I mean, not every planet in our galaxy has natural life and resources, earth could at least mean a little bit to Aliens.
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I'm sure we'd be a curiosity, and I'd hope there's a good chance they'd interact with our species just to let us know they existed -- but our stone-age asses confined to one dinky planet having any place in their economy? I don't see it happening.
The best we could do in an alien economy is "humanitarian aid recipient."
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: laserpig]
#10339983 - 05/14/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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laserpig said: I'm sure we'd be a curiosity, and I'd hope there's a good chance they'd interact with our species just to let us know they existed -- but our stone-age asses confined to one dinky planet having any place in their economy? I don't see it happening.
The best we could do in an alien economy is "humanitarian aid recipient."
Maybe the destiny of human kind is more interesting to them than our current dark age state of being...
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If anyone saw "The Day the Earth Stood Still," the reason the aliens gave a shit about humans was because life sustaining planets are an extreme rarity in the universe.
If aliens have truly been here, I would wager that they reveal themselves soon. They should have nothing to fear from our weapons if they are capable of traveling here, so a quick hello is probably expected. I do hope that our leaders are retarded and represent the human race properly. Knowing the gov. however, we would just try to run tests on them and try to act like superior.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: teeter]
#10340078 - 05/14/09 08:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teeter said: If anyone saw "The Day the Earth Stood Still," the reason the aliens gave a shit about humans was because life sustaining planets are an extreme rarity in the universe.
If aliens have truly been here, I would wager that they reveal themselves soon. They should have nothing to fear from our weapons if they are capable of traveling here, so a quick hello is probably expected. I do hope that our leaders are retarded and represent the human race properly. Knowing the gov. however, we would just try to run tests on them and try to act like superior.
Do you really think top intelligence agencies have absolutely no knowledge of Aliens?
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TeamAmerica said: Do you really think top intelligence agencies have absolutely no knowledge of Aliens?
Why do aliens always revolve around conspiracy theories?
Yes, I'm pretty sure we don't know aliens exist, but I don't really care that much. If the CIA knows about some aliens, thats cool. The point was, if I was an alien coming to earth, I would have two possible overall objectives, destroy or aid. I could be told to observe first, but I would have a general idea of whether I was going to show humans some new technology or if I was going to exterminate them with my death ray. Races capable of intergalactic travel have probably figured out how to be non-violent and would also probably have technology powerful enough to be 100% safe from anything we have. Therefore, if an alien came to earth, it would be logical that they would spend a period of time observing invisibly to gain an understanding of us and then they would reveal themselves in an attempt to help us. Show us some new technology and whatnot. They really have no motive for not going public eventually, I don't know why they would bother to go through the government first, considering that a broadcast to the general people of earth would have a much more profound effect on us. If an alien described our potential for peace and enlightenment as a species, I would be inspired to work toward that.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: laserpig]
#10340424 - 05/14/09 09:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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they would be more interested in our biology, and evolution. maybe where they come from many organism do not make up a living body. or maybe they do not evolve like we do.maybe their bodys are made up of more orginism then ours. also earths physyology, maybe they live on a descolet planet with no water, or no veggatation. personaly I think I agree with you, they will either come to destroy us or to aid us. wether it be aiding against a alien threat or to take our world. and if they are among us, they are learning,gathering information. by the time we realize they are here, they will have enough knolege of how to destroy us that we will have no chance..or maybe its all about control, they shake hands with the goverment giving them tips and showing them ways on how they control the population on their planet...we are made out of the elements of life that blasted through the universe back in the day, I doubt we are a rarity out of trillions upon trillions of other planets out there. thats what we do not understand. there could be life on venus but in gas form, or on pluto but being made up of ice elements. we just evlovlved to our surroundings just like life on every other planet evolves to its surroundings...just like with the UFO's, my theory was that they make their ships on their planet to how their eyes see. so in their eyes it might be cloaked or made of dark material. but when they come to earth we can see them because our eyes, and the optics of our eyes lumminates their ships, or looks like an aray of colors. its the same with planets, our eyes can only see so much, their could be life we just cant see it..maybe they are made of elements our eyes has not evolved to....
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: teeter]
#10341788 - 05/15/09 02:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The point was, if I was an alien coming to earth, I would have two possible overall objectives, destroy or aid. I could be told to observe first, but I would have a general idea of whether I was going to show humans some new technology or if I was going to exterminate them with my death ray.
It is such a simple logic. You think that aliens who are capable of traveling across the universe with unimaginable speed and unimaginable technology would have such a limited objectives. Why would anyone want to destroy us, if we are doing good job all by our selves. And why would anyone want to help-aid us if we don't want to aid our selves.
But yes, either way they would have to observe. And the thing is, they are observing us, for thousand of years.
And many people know about "aliens". There is bunch of evidence all around
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: teeter]
#10342354 - 05/15/09 07:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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TeamAmerica said: Do you really think top intelligence agencies have absolutely no knowledge of Aliens?
Why do aliens always revolve around conspiracy theories?
Yes, I'm pretty sure we don't know aliens exist, but I don't really care that much. If the CIA knows about some aliens, thats cool. The point was, if I was an alien coming to earth, I would have two possible overall objectives, destroy or aid. I could be told to observe first, but I would have a general idea of whether I was going to show humans some new technology or if I was going to exterminate them with my death ray. Races capable of intergalactic travel have probably figured out how to be non-violent and would also probably have technology powerful enough to be 100% safe from anything we have. Therefore, if an alien came to earth, it would be logical that they would spend a period of time observing invisibly to gain an understanding of us and then they would reveal themselves in an attempt to help us. Show us some new technology and whatnot. They really have no motive for not going public eventually, I don't know why they would bother to go through the government first, considering that a broadcast to the general people of earth would have a much more profound effect on us. If an alien described our potential for peace and enlightenment as a species, I would be inspired to work toward that.
What are you talking about conspiracy theories? 
Former intelligence agencies all around the world are starting to come out and say that they knew of alien existence, and that they have knowledge about their flying crafts.
It seems kind of naive to think that all the government intelligence agencies just have no clue at all about aliens...that they just don't know much more than we do...right
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: ivander]
#10342355 - 05/15/09 07:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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ivander said:
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teeter said:
The point was, if I was an alien coming to earth, I would have two possible overall objectives, destroy or aid. I could be told to observe first, but I would have a general idea of whether I was going to show humans some new technology or if I was going to exterminate them with my death ray.
It is such a simple logic. You think that aliens who are capable of traveling across the universe with unimaginable speed and unimaginable technology would have such a limited objectives. Why would anyone want to destroy us, if we are doing good job all by our selves. And why would anyone want to help-aid us if we don't want to aid our selves.
But yes, either way they would have to observe. And the thing is, they are observing us, for thousand of years.
And many people know about "aliens". There is bunch of evidence all around 
Yeah, we are doing great all by ourselves...
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An intelligent and advanced lifeform existing in the universe should have no other objective than to find 'others' and spread ancient aquired knowledge to other less advanced organisms..
Why? .. well if they can, why not? if they have developed such insight that 'others' may exist, then why would they choose to sit on there own planet and wait to use up all its resources? - its almost natural for an organism to want to take risks and move on, rather than die out.
now you might think, hold on a second, we developed insight and realization that 'others' might be out there a LONG time ago, but we are only just starting to explore space simply to find out. starting within our own solar system.
If we were able to travel to distant planets and observe lifeforms which have the same realization, but not the means to communicate, im sure we would pass on the knowlege or teach them how to use their resources to develop means of communication and maybe even space travel.
in the last 100,000 years that 'we' have been active, whos to say others havent already visited us? to teach, or indeed to switch us from a primative species to a learning one? the evidence may be all around us if we look.
But, now we also have issues like "global warming" to worry about, which im sure we will find a way to cope with or evolve from. maybe robotics are our future. once we have dealt with that, then what? inevitably, with such immense universal knowledge, will we just carry on being parasites?
bear in mind that not every organism in the universe must be parasitic and self replicating in order to sustain itself.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: ivander]
#10342689 - 05/15/09 09:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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ivander said:
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The point was, if I was an alien coming to earth, I would have two possible overall objectives, destroy or aid. I could be told to observe first, but I would have a general idea of whether I was going to show humans some new technology or if I was going to exterminate them with my death ray.
It is such a simple logic. You think that aliens who are capable of traveling across the universe with unimaginable speed and unimaginable technology would have such a limited objectives. Why would anyone want to destroy us, if we are doing good job all by our selves. And why would anyone want to help-aid us if we don't want to aid our selves.
But yes, either way they would have to observe. And the thing is, they are observing us, for thousand of years.
And many people know about "aliens". There is bunch of evidence all around 
if you where a peacefull race, or a race that had completely diffrent ways, and you came to a planet where they where killing them selfs off, dead set on control, greed and power. was destroying the home they lived on, slaughtering animals of that world for food and delicacies. would u aid in helping them or see them as a threat and destroy them. we are doing good by our selfs, technology wise, but thats it. a peace full race would most likely help aid us, another race might see what we are capable of and realize what will happen if we expand out into other worlds. personally I would see us as a weapon, we blind our selfs from this fact. we consume at large massive amounts, this will never change. whats to stop us from consuming other races/worlds resources, technology,and killing them off to take their land and planet?
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I see the human race as completely useless to any aliens who have the technology to come here right now, but it's not our current situation that would intrigue them; it'd be our future potential upon reaching either the Technological Singularity or some form of collective consciousness. I foresee a constantly changing intergalactic system of alliances and ever-shifting federations; there will be quite a few advanced civilizations with our best interests in mind, no doubt, but there will also be quite a few advanced civilizations interested in nothing but domination and conquering other cultures and the conflict between the two sides (STS and STO to use an analogy) will depend almost entirely upon how many recruits each side can entice.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: deCypher]
#10343679 - 05/15/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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while i agree the human race would be mostly useless in technological terms, surely our mastery of the arts, and wide variety of cultures would have some interest to beings cataloging life in the galaxy. i would hope fellow intelligent starwalkers would appreciate such, and not be cold, heartless, technology-driven bastards.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: Yrat]
#10346718 - 05/15/09 11:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Current alien/human interaction suggests some species are particularly interested in something to do with human genetics. Its suggested that they are running a hybrid breeding program, are genetically engineering us or just monitoring us.
They all have their own agenda but trading with us is unlikely. If they have the technology to get here then theres not much we could offer. We would certainly want to gain their technology but I doubt any race would be stupid enough to give us any.
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Re: if aliens exist [Re: teeter]
#10347537 - 05/16/09 05:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teeter said: If anyone saw "The Day the Earth Stood Still," the reason the aliens gave a shit about humans was because life sustaining planets are an extreme rarity in the universe.
If aliens have truly been here, I would wager that they reveal themselves soon. They should have nothing to fear from our weapons if they are capable of traveling here, so a quick hello is probably expected. I do hope that our leaders are retarded and represent the human race properly. Knowing the gov. however, we would just try to run tests on them and try to act like superior.
Revealing themselves, Aliens would change Earth as we know it. The sheer knowledge of 'alien existence' is mind blowing and influential beyond belief. It could change everything from religion to politics; philosophy; economy. Aliens revealing themselves to the world is a complicated subject. And if anything, it'd probably be seen more as a threat to our society than not; from the eyes of the government.
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For people discussing the existence of extra terrestrial life forms you seem to exhibit a lack of open mindedness.[not you personally]
Its like.. OK im talking about this so its good enough to break the wall of conventional thinking. But then you suddenly realize that its really not about buying one theory over the other ; Its about not being seduced into any given ideology.
Its like so many of you say its ok to discuss this.. but the framework stays the same.
f.e. are they good or bad ?
Are they a potential harm.. or the solution to our problems. To me it seems like were lumping everything into two categories.. and then arguing on both sides.
This will ultimately be understood as the underlying problem of human reasoning.
I tell you.. They're both. Just like us. You have ok people.. and shitty people. And even that is subject to debate when perception is involved and any form of non dualistic thinking rears its confusing head into something like this.
Some love us. Some hate us. Some.. just dont give a shit.
When you break out of the box... Dont make a new one.
There is no spoon..and there is no BOX.
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It could change everything from religion to politics
Why ? You think some of them dont have fucked up belief systems. Where do you think ours came from ?

Why do you think that some species out there dont have a completely fucked up political regime as well ?
Another major mistake >>>>> US and THEM
If there is you and me. Inevitably through idiosyncratic misinterpretation - arises the notion of good and bad. Good for me. Bad for me. And the cause is steered towards being YOU. Which is not me.
Its retarded. Look past all the science.. all the politics , religion .. and all the other hocus pocus. And try to realize the simplest reasons for our joys and sufferings.
Interestingly enough.. even the major skeptics and designated quasi debunkers will switch from ME - to US when we are discussing something outside of our little box we have here such as aliens and their potential affect on humanity.
Need i say more about their agenda ? Whether they want to give us uber technology and help us in unimaginable ways.. or to fuck us with 12 inch red dildos.. The affect is the same.
WE.. have to deal with it.
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