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OrgoneConclusion
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You have no evidence for this and your mischaracterization (you excel at it) is flawed as usual. Are you holding grudges over misperceived slights? That sounds very unhealthy. Is sticking to the topic too difficult for you?
The topic is ethics and the the sub-topic was one who does or says mean things solely to hurt another. Of course I have the evidence, but you ran to the Mods to suppress the last few times I posted EXACT QUOTES. Why was that? Fear of being exposed?
Why are your lies ethical and another's are unethical? That is not at all consistent.
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Those that protest the loudest about the behavior of others are always suspect to me.
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C.M. Mann
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Thieves and those that help them, are a big problem in this world! This statement needs no explanation, you either believe it or not! One side you can trust, and the other side you can't!
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: C.M. Mann]
#10347409 - 05/16/09 03:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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But there's liars everywhere, they don't need to be thieves. Also, being a thief doesn't mean in any way that you have to betray the confidence of everyone, or willingly do bad stuff to them. I've had a friend that was a thief and he was one of my vest friends.
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Zanthius
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MushroomTrip said: I've had a friend that was a thief and he was one of my vest friends.
A lot of thieves probably don't steal from their friends, but I wouldn't want to have a thief as a friend anyhow. He/she would be morally too immature for having a friendship with me.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: Zanthius]
#10347431 - 05/16/09 04:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unless you know the specific people and know every detail about them, its completely baseless to say that they're "too immature" from an emotional standpoint. Of course, even after knowing who they are, you can be the one who's emotionally immature when you'll decide not to have a friendships with someone who's different that you, casting a negative judgment upon them and thinking you're superior to them.
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Zanthius
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MushroomTrip said: Unless you know the specific people and know every detail about them, its completely baseless to say that they're "too immature" from an emotional standpoint. Of course, even after knowing who they are, you can be the one who's emotionally immature when you'll decide not to have a friendships with someone who's different that you, casting a negative judgment upon them and thinking you're superior to them.
I don't think I am superior to emotionally immature people. I think my spirit is vibrating inharmoniously together with the spirits of such people. That doesn't mean that I am better than them, or that they are better than me. It just means that I will have inharmonious relationships with such people.
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: Zanthius]
#10347490 - 05/16/09 05:00 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're making the assumption that all thieves and emotionally immature people, as opposed to you who are mature (at least in your view). How is this not a judgment in which you consider yourself superior to them? Also, how did you determine that all thieves possess emotional immaturity? What did you take to account when you made this decision?
I'd prefer for this discussion to stay in touch with reality, and I'm afraid it's impossible to do that when you bring arguments such as your spirit would be in an inharmonious relation with the spirit of a thief. Can you perhaps translate this abstract statement into something with substance?
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Zanthius
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MushroomTrip said: You're making the assumption that all thieves and emotionally immature people, as opposed to you who are mature (at least in your view). How is this not a judgment in which you consider yourself superior to them? Also, how did you determine that all thieves possess emotional immaturity? What did you take to account when you made this decision?
Who I consider to be emotionally immature is related to my subjective perspective, and doesn't necessarily apply to any objective perspective. I also don't necessarily think that it is superior to be emotionally mature.
I don't need any objective evidence for that thieves are emotionally immature in order to decide who I want to have a friendship with. My subjective perspective is good enough for making such decisions.
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: Zanthius]
#10347812 - 05/16/09 08:52 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course you don't need any evidence to believe whatever you want, and make the decisions you want. However, this is a debate forum, and when a statement is being made, the other posters are free to ask all kinds of question as to how and why that certain statement has been done, and while (like I have already said) I completely agree with you claiming that one doesn't need anything more than subjective, internal reasons for deciding who their friends are, I also realize that this statement doesn't explain HOW and for which reasons the decision has been made, and because of this the debate has turned fruitless.
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OrgoneConclusion
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You have no evidence for this and your mischaracterization (you excel at it) is flawed as usual.
If I posited such evidence (yet again) would you admit that you are an emotionally disturbed and mean-spirited person and make an actual public apology or would you rationalize your attempts to besmirch another's character with more lame excuses?
You revealed things publicly that I told you in private? True or false.
You complained to the admins years ago that I had threatend you with death? True or false.
You wrote that I have been banned from several other websites? True or false.
You wrote that I attempted to send Shroomism to a mental institution? True or false.
Time to take a long hard look in the mirror. Your self-image does not match reality in the slightest.
Irrelevant and malicious personalisms are not allowed in P&S. Subsequent transgressions and repeat offenses will start yielding bans.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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You have no evidence for this and your mischaracterization (you excel at it) is flawed as usual.
If I posited such evidence (yet again) would you admit that you are an emotionally disturbed and mean-spirited person and make an actual public apology or would you rationalize your attempts to besmirch another's character with more lame excuses?
You revealed things publicly that I told you in private? True or false.
You complained to the admins years ago that I had threatend you with death? True or false.
You wrote that I have been banned from several other websites? True or false.
You wrote that I attempted to send Shroomism to a mental institution? True or false.
Time to take a long hard look in the mirror. Your self-image does not match reality in the slightest.
I don't think it is altogether effective or beneficial to anyone to carry out these types of matters in the public forum. Putting pressure on someone on issues that delve so deeply upon someone's personal identity in a discussion forum where people come to enjoy the discussion of ideas seems to only create larger problems.
I don't think too many couples really enjoy having relationship arguments out on a busy street, unless they are simply too consumed by the matter to find the surroundings important, but even then, it isn't like they are really wanting that to happen, so why don't you two lovebirds keep it private?
I personally think it would be more enjoyable for everyone if you focused more on flirting each other's wits at each other instead of trying to achieve social positioning over each other. I mean, if you want to display that, you could release your own amateur porn in Shroomerites Anonymous, because there are quite a few testicle-selling freaks in there that would probably enjoy watching two old hippies have butt-sex together while on mushrooms they gathered together earlier.
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OrgoneConclusion
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A person made a claim and yet I am not allowed to challenge it without being banned.
We are apparently only allowed to talk of the poor ethics of those evil others not on the board, but not of those here despite evidence to the contrary. Why is that? MM agreed with another poster that those who lie about others are despicable.
My response certainly is relevant to this comment as there has been damage done out of spite.
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fireworks_god said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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You have no evidence for this and your mischaracterization (you excel at it) is flawed as usual.
If I posited such evidence (yet again) would you admit that you are an emotionally disturbed and mean-spirited person and make an actual public apology or would you rationalize your attempts to besmirch another's character with more lame excuses?
You revealed things publicly that I told you in private? True or false.
You complained to the admins years ago that I had threatend you with death? True or false.
You wrote that I have been banned from several other websites? True or false.
You wrote that I attempted to send Shroomism to a mental institution? True or false.
Time to take a long hard look in the mirror. Your self-image does not match reality in the slightest.
I don't think it is altogether effective or beneficial to anyone to carry out these types of matters in the public forum. Putting pressure on someone on issues that delve so deeply upon someone's personal identity in a discussion forum where people come to enjoy the discussion of ideas seems to only create larger problems.
I don't think too many couples really enjoy having relationship arguments out on a busy street, unless they are simply too consumed by the matter to find the surroundings important, but even then, it isn't like they are really wanting that to happen, so why don't you two lovebirds keep it private?
I personally think it would be more enjoyable for everyone if you focused more on flirting each other's wits at each other instead of trying to achieve social positioning over each other. I mean, if you want to display that, you could release your own amateur porn in Shroomerites Anonymous, because there are quite a few testicle-selling freaks in there that would probably enjoy watching two old hippies have butt-sex together while on mushrooms they gathered together earlier.
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C.M. Mann
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This is exactly the behaviour that is ruining society! People who don't care if someone inflicts misery, as long as they don't do it to them! Rules and Laws should be applied equally, without justifications or prejudice! If someone is a liar and a thief, I don't care who he is he is incapable of trust!
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: C.M. Mann]
#10351898 - 05/17/09 05:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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That is if you think that laws should exist, which of them, in what form, and how they should or should not be enforced. Personally, I don't think that stealing is necessarily a bad thing, and while I prefer not to do it, I can think about more than a handful of situations in which I would do it without a doubt, and not feel bad for it in any way.
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Zanthius
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MushroomTrip said: Personally, I don't think that stealing is necessarily a bad thing, and while I prefer not to do it, I can think about more than a handful of situations in which I would do it without a doubt, and not feel bad for it in any way.
I also could..... When I was in kindergarten. Even if I was in a situation where I had to steal in order to survive, or in order to save somebody else, I would blame myself for getting into such unfortunate situations.
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C.M. Mann
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Lazy humans with weak characters steal, because they refuse to take care of themselves!
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Ethical question: [Re: C.M. Mann]
#10358359 - 05/18/09 12:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow, you just keep making one over-generalization after another, don't you?
How can you judge this as being true for all the possible situations in which one could steal? Don't you think it is more indicated to actually KNOW a specific case in which one stole, and their make an aware and educated guess about their character? Until you explain, for every possible case, exactly how your statements are valid and perfectly apply, you can't expect to be taken seriously. Furthermore, I am interested in finding out how you ended up thinking something like this, as I have reached different conclusions than yours.
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C.M. Mann
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I reached my conclusion by not justifying bad behaviour! Under no circumstance would theft be a good thing! I think that is specific! You may not take me serious, but you are just one person!
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