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Flu Pandemic: The Solution
    #10236379 - 04/26/09 01:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The only defense against this spreading epidemic is seeing the truth.  Being ready to die is the only true defense.  This book explains what we need to do to prepare for immanent pandemics.

"Long term: We cannot work on any long term solutions to problems we know are coming and stay competitive (stay in business) without a world government. We should be stockpiling enough food to feed millions of people for a long enough period of time to survive the droughts and other natural disasters we know are coming. We have to be able to move farmland to suit the weather, regardless of ownership. We need to anticipate and stockpile antibiotics, vaccines, and other medicines to deal with the flu pandemics and other plague we know are going to come. We need to be able to go though the natural disasters we know are coming without the social chaos and political upheavals that will compound the disasters. Not working on the long-term is certain doom.

Divided we fall: Separate nations will never be able to stop using destructive technologies, depleting natural resources, or prepare for future disasters on their own, because they are competing economically with other nations. The way it is now, governments can only spend money on immediate problems in order to stay competitive with other counties. Long-term planning and spending is an absolute necessity for the long-term survival of the human race, and we cannot do it now.  It is impossible for us to survive as separate competing groups. The only way to survive is if we stop competing with each other, and that can only happen with a world government, so we have to create one soon."

From, The Present, at, www.thetruthcontest.com


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10236782 - 04/26/09 02:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yes a world without borders would be nice, but all the people planning it want to do it for their own gain, but to better humanity.  They wish to use such events as a way to control populations, and with a world government take complete control over all resources.

The Idea isn't bad, it just needs to be executed in the proper way.

Lastly, Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  The larger and more powerful a government, the more prone to corruption it becomes.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10236861 - 04/26/09 02:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Is the solution colloidal silver or MMS?  Any opinions, anyone?  I figured the shroomery would be full of people who are all about alternative medicine...

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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: NastyDHL]
    #10244783 - 04/27/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know much about herbal anti-virals, but I know they exist and could be used.  I would say the best defense is your immune system. Make sure it is running smoothly and not inhibited by your lifestyle.

Colloidal silver is an anti-biotic, wont do anything against a virus.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: NastyDHL]
    #10249322 - 04/28/09 12:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Is the solution colloidal silver or MMS?  Any opinions, anyone?  I figured the shroomery would be full of people who are all about alternative medicine...




The only true defense is the truth.  Truth is the ultimate medicine; it is eternal, and always there for us to fall back on.

The only defense against this and other potential pandemics is being ready to die at any given time.  The truth brings unity.  As separate, competing nations, we cannot prepare for these catastrophes effectively, as social upheaval will amplify the problems.  It's all in The Present.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10262598 - 04/30/09 01:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Humanity's problems are not a result of politics, they're a result of human nature.  We will always be separate and competitive, under any kind of government.  Politics can't change who we are.

As for the flu, just wash your hands a lot.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10264062 - 04/30/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Stay healthy and fit and your immune system will be strong. The strong survive in nature.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #10286346 - 05/04/09 08:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Humanity's problems are not a result of politics, they're a result of human nature.  We will always be separate and competitive, under any kind of government.  Politics can't change who we are.




That's exactly what I'm trying to say, and exactly what The Present is trying to say.  Our world is a reflection of us, and our systems will not change until we change.  Without a fundamental change in perspective and human nature, we will stay separate and competitive.  We cannot prepare for a pandemic effectively if we are competing for resources.  Unity comes with truth, as truth is what we all have in common.

We can wash are hands and eat healthy, and these actions may help slow the spread of the flu, but the only true defense we have against upcoming pandemics is the truth.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10289855 - 05/05/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You'll have to clarify what is meant by "the ultimate truth."  A lot of misguided ideas go by the name "truth."


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #10298411 - 05/06/09 06:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

"That which is."
Ultimate truth = the common denominator shared by all beings
Explaining it, well, I think The Present does a pretty good job....
For those who need explanation, that is.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10299362 - 05/06/09 08:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

there doesnt need to be a solution, because there isnt a problem.

this is just a mutation of the normal influenza strain, it is no more dangerous than any other flu from any other year.  nothing to worry about unless youre very young, very old or already have health problems. which hasnt changed from before.

shame on the sensational media for taking full advantage of it.  its fucking ridiculous.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10302604 - 05/07/09 01:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You bring up some great points, and I agree that the media has hyped this far too much, but I think the purpose of this thread (if you look at the original post) was to say that if we continue to act as separate, competing powers, we will never be able to prepare for a catastrophic pandemic.

Maybe this Swine Flu thing wasn't the big one, but it is certainly a wake up call.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10303155 - 05/07/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

have you contemplated the possibility that they do not want that?  it is a well known fact that the planet is already overpopulated and something needs to be done to reduce or at least slow down the growth.

maybe theyre HOPING for some sort of pandemic deadly disease.    :shrug:


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10305063 - 05/07/09 09:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting points, and coincidentally, the section that precedes the excerpt that I referred to from The Present in the first post touches on overpopulation.  From the same page (92):

"Population control: It will take a world government to manage population and resources. The population of a country cannot be allowed to out-pace their ability to support and educate their children. People starve and the beast comes to life. In nature, when there are not predators to control the population, the population grows until the environment cannot support them, and then they die off. It is a natural cycle that the human race is in right now. We have overcome all our predators, including bacterial diseases, and our population has been exploding.

The overpopulation/starvation cycle has killed us many times in the past. 

We can do it again, or we can start to manage the whole world for the benefit of everyone. Right now, every country is working for their own local self-interest, and the way things are setup, they have to be selfish to survive and compete.

People think we are so special and different from other animals, when the truth is, we are probably just living through another overpopulation/starvation cycle."

I personally think over-population is an illusion, and it is created by the reality that competing nations are hoarding resources.  If we re-learned that valuable "sharing" lesson from back in pre-school, we would realize that there are plenty of resources on this Earth to sustain the world population.  On top of that, we have the technology to have free energy right now, along with the ability to grow and raise more than enough food to feed all the mouths on Earth.

As the first post says, this will never happen if we continue to act as separate nations.

Maybe they are hoping for some sort of pandemic deadly disease, but why would we want that when there is an easier way that would help to reduce suffering?  We can wait for Nature to destroy us, or we can act in harmony with Nature by coming together as one big organism; the human race.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10305115 - 05/07/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

even if we worked in harmony with the planet, we are far too overpopulated to maintain  equilibrium.  even with drastic changes we arent even close to any sort of technologies that would reduce our impact on the planet enough.  we need to reduce population or face the inevitable. most people realize this, many dont want to believe it.  world leaders certainly know it, their dilemma is reducing population while maintaining control of the planet, and the best way that i assume that could be possible is to create events that SEEM natural.  deadly disease would work perfectly for them, the could create a disease, know how it functions before it is released and proper cautions would be made for the most important people.  just an thought.


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #10305175 - 05/07/09 09:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

That's a frightening thought, and entirely possible.  Maybe these world leaders will soon realize that power is an illusion, and that they are just dust in the wind.  "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."  Regardless, if we continue to operate in disharmony with Nature, we will be destroyed, because Nature always balances. 

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even with drastic changes we arent even close to any sort of technologies that would reduce our impact on the planet enough.




I disagree.  I think we have the technology right now to harness clean, free energy.  It's just a matter of those in power realizing it and acting to prioritize building these technologies over everything else.  A combination of geothermal, solar, wind, and hydroelectric power could drastically reduce our impact on the environment, while creating jobs, fixing the economy, and giving us the freedom of boundless energy to invent technologies to deal with the "overpopulation problem."


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Re: Flu Pandemic: The Solution [Re: Jethro Tull]
    #10324477 - 05/11/09 09:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The earth can definitely feed more people. I recommend the documentary We Feed The World to anyone. Humanity as a whole is not using Earth's resources efficiently.

An interesting point to note is that most famines aren't caused by "nature" (i.e. droughts, poor crops) but rather political inefficiency. This is most obvious in North Korea, where the geography is very similar to the South, but they frequently have famines while the South Koreans enjoy bounties of food.

Excerpt from the Wikipedia article on "the Great Leap Forward" in China
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The largest famine of the 20th century, and almost certainly of all time, was the 1958–61 Great Leap Forward famine in China. The immediate causes of this famine lay in Chairman Mao Zedong's ill-fated attempt to transform China from an agricultural nation, Communist Party cadres across China insisted that peasants abandon their farms for collective farms, and begin to produce steel in small foundries, often melting down their farm instruments in the process.

Collectivization undermined incentives for the investment of labor and resources in agriculture; unrealistic plans for decentralized metal production sapped needed labor; unfavorable weather conditions; and communal dining halls encouraged overconsumption of available food (see Chang, G, and Wen, G (1997), "Communal dining and the Chinese Famine 1958-1961" ). Such was the centralized control of information and the intense pressure on party cadres to report only good news—such as production quotas met or exceeded—that information about the escalating disaster was effectively suppressed. When the leadership did become aware of the scale of the famine, it did little to respond, and continued to ban any discussion of the cataclysm. This blanket suppression of news was so effective that very few Chinese citizens were aware of the scale of the famine, and the greatest peacetime demographic disaster of the 20th century only became widely known twenty years later, when the veil of censorship began to lift.

The 1958–61 famine is estimated to have caused excess mortality of about 30 million, with a further 30 million cancelled or delayed births. It was only when the famine had wrought its worst that Mao reversed the agricultural collectivization policies, which were effectively dismantled in 1978. China has not experienced a major famine since 1961 (Woo-Cummings, 2002).




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