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johnwayne
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: wissper]
#10324292 - 05/11/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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is air exchange the only concern?
okay so i know the holes are taped, but what about the lid, its not air tight, and my space heater is a fan so the air is moving in my closet. do you guys think that the imperfect seal formed by the lid provides ample air exchange? i mean i'll change it, but seems to me other mono-dudes do it the same way without the issue, that or everyone fudges on the time it takes to grow these buggers, lol
again, the growth hasnt stopped, just crawling along.....
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well i am no pro , but if a tub doesn't produce anything 1 month after being cased , i would just throw it out . there is something wrong with it . Peace
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fungusapien said: If it was 100% colonized, and then you added a casing layer, and now you have some myc. coming through the casing layer, you're pretty much ready to fruit(you don't want a fullycolonized casing layer)like RR said let it get to 20% or so. Wait another day or two then patch up the areas where myc. is growing through with some more casing material and take off the tape/fill the holes with polyfil. As far as gas exchange in a monotub during colonization, from what I've read people normally close it up pretty good and just let it go for about 10 days-which means little to no gas exchange during that time-so I think you're right there.
this is my concern, the 20%, thats gonna take forever at this rate....
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324323 - 05/11/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnwayne said: is air exchange the only concern?
Just so we're talking about the same thing :
gas exchange is not the same as fresh air exchange.
gas exchange is allowing the gases created by colonization to be forced out so they don't build up to a level that will cause the myc to stall it's growth
fresh air exchange is forcing new air in and co2 buildup out so that the mushies know it's time to start growing up and out.
Corrections welcome.. that's kind of the way I've always thought of it at least.
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324340 - 05/11/09 09:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm starting to think what i thought of as field capacity was too wet, causing the slow growth.....that or it wasnt 100%, but i'm pretty sure rr showed on that post and said it was ready. idk i sometime feel like people give bad advise just to fawk with fooker on here, so maybe it wasnt 100%
dude trash it?, fawk that man, this thing is gonna fruit like crazy once i find the sweet spot(fingers crossed)
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: wissper]
#10324342 - 05/11/09 09:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it just me or does that casing look dry as hell?
I'd mist it until it appears moist & shiny and give it FAE.
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324350 - 05/11/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes i tested the field capacity, by grabbing a clump of it and lightly squeezing, which a couple drops fell out. so i guess maybe it wasnt 100%, bad information, pics didnt show well enough, idk
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johnwayne
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NineInchNails said: Is it just me or does that casing look dry as hell?
I'd mist it until it appears moist & shiny and give it FAE.
lol, dude its not dry, you can see the moisture in the pic dude, it is moist and shinny....
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: wissper]
#10324374 - 05/11/09 09:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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How deep are the casing and substrate layers?
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324379 - 05/11/09 09:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnwayne said: i'm starting to think what i thought of as field capacity was too wet, causing the slow growth.....that or it wasnt 100%, but i'm pretty sure rr showed on that post and said it was ready. idk i sometime feel like people give bad advise just to fawk with fooker on here, so maybe it wasnt 100%
dude trash it?, fawk that man, this thing is gonna fruit like crazy once i find the sweet spot(fingers crossed)
I personally wouldn't trash it unless it's showing signs of contamination like green meanie on it. If it was my grow I think I would probably pop the lid just a bit and let some of the gases out then close it up for another day or two to see if it starts moving again. If not I'd go ahead and introduce it to fruiting conditions.
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PhantomPoop said: How deep are the casing and substrate layers?
substrate 5inches, casing about a inch to a half inch.
okay. it makes me nervous to deviate from the plan...spongiform was very strict about popping the lid, lol. but if everyone is aboard with cycling the air, i will pop the lid, mist and fan for 20secs then put it back together? and count sheep.
still holding out for a trusted cultivator, before i take action....
thanks to everyone so far, i know i sound like a rain cloud, sorry...just kinda stressing
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324632 - 05/11/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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What kind of lid do you have on the tub? Is it solid plastic or just a film covering?
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: wissper]
#10324697 - 05/11/09 10:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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its the plastic lid that came with it, it has a square cut out of it for the plexi-glass, and tape around all sides of the plexi-glass
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324701 - 05/11/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i open the top for like 15secs, and put back the way it was, so now the air has been cycled, we'll see what happens i guess
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10324910 - 05/11/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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What are you using for your casing layer??? Did your sub colonize in normal time initially... First you say your temp is at 71-73 right. I would try bumping up to 78-80 range! 68-72 is good fruiting temps but not so good for incubation... When you do fruit that temperature change from 78-80 to 68-72 is a pinning trigger. Its been a month since casing right. If I were you I would stuff the holes with poly fill and fruit it! Once my sub is fully colonized I case with a simple 50-50+ and put directly into fruiting conditions and I have been getting great pin sets. Once you let your casing layer colonize it basically just becomes part of your bulk sub and no longer a contamination barrier. Though many swear by patching for better pin sets... I don't find it necessary. Well good luck with whatever you decide!!!
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: B_Happy]
#10324970 - 05/11/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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B_Happy said: What are you using for your casing layer??? Did your sub colonize in normal time initially... First you say your temp is at 71-73 right. I would try bumping up to 78-80 range! 68-72 is good fruiting temps but not so good for incubation... When you do fruit that temperature change from 78-80 to 68-72 is a pinning trigger. Its been a month since casing right. If I were you I would stuff the holes with poly fill and fruit it! Once my sub is fully colonized I case with a simple 50-50 and put directly into fruiting conditions and I have been getting great pin sets. Once you let your casing layer colonize it basically just becomes part of your bulk sub and no longer a contamination barrier. Though many swear by patching for better pin sets... I don't find it necessary. Well good luck with whatever you decide!!!
what happens if i open it for fruiting, if it isnt ready? it doesnt ruin it right, worst thing is it just takes longer?
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Re: idk wtf is wrong [Re: johnwayne]
#10329078 - 05/12/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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It won't ruin the batch. If it was me and I didn't see any more myc growth in a day or three I'd just introduce it to fruiting conditions and let it go.
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