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P. cyanofriscosa
    #10191332 - 04/18/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i need to find some grow teks for this mushroom.
I think it needs to be grown on woodchips.
But i am lost. and confused.
Anyone have any experiance with these first hand?
comments are welcomed. Thanks buddy!

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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: blackdust]
    #10192185 - 04/18/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

can i get woood chips @ home depot?

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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: blackdust]
    #10192372 - 04/18/09 09:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You can use the PF tek for friscosa. Ive had full colonization in quart jars on every type of substrate. I use Aspen bedding (Walmart) as substrate in my jars now. You can use any substrate for colonization but to have it fruit you need wood as a substrate. They are very hard to fruit indoor. You start them indoor and tranfer then outdoor. Nobody really knows why they have a hard time fruiting indoor but there's alot of speculation about it.

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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: Cloneufc]
    #10203818 - 04/20/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i can not grow them outdoors.
its burnt.
will they still fruit indoors?
I cant find any teks with wodd chips for a substrate.
i feel like a huge noob.

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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: blackdust]
    #10308145 - 05/08/09 01:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I was looking at this one as well.  Ralphsters has it available and shows pics fruiting in trays so it is possible. Looks like a really good one. What about say 50/50 manure/aspen chips as bulk substrate?  I sure would like to hear from some of the experts here!
thanks cm


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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: blackdust]
    #10308258 - 05/08/09 01:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You can TRY to fruit them. However, unlike cubensis and other tropical species, they do not require steady temperatures. Moderate/cold climate woodlovers require temperature variations for perfect fruiting conditions, like you would find them in the areas they usually inhabit. They colonize the substrate they grow off during the warm months of spring and summer. The colonization temperatures are pretty much the same you'll see in tropical species. Between 20-24° Celsius is perfect. However, they do not fruit in these temperatures. These species benefit from cold shocking. In their natural habitats they will only fruit in fall when the temperatures dropped below a certain range for some time. That temperature lies close to the freezing point (Between 0° and 10°C, the "cold shocking" temperatures).
Now you can see why it is much harder to cultivate these mushrooms indoors. Simulating a tropical climate is easier than simulating a moderately cold climate. Everything is readily available, because the conditions are the same that you need for most terrariums used for keeping tropical animals in. Simulating and maintaining the heavily varying environmental conditions required for cultivating cold climate fruiters are obviously much more demanding and sophisticated.
In other words: Stay away, n00bs or be frustrated. Or do the next logical thing to do and use the huge incubator and fruiting chamber combination provided by mother nature.


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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: German Kahuna]
    #10308377 - 05/08/09 02:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, So a putting a colonized tray of P. cyanofriscosa into the frig for fruiting would be something to try?  I quess I was confused by what ralphster had to say about them on his web site, that they are extremely easy and  he could see people moving to grow this one in place of cubies.
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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: carpetmunch]
    #10308416 - 05/08/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

To be honest, I don't know the cyanofriscosas, I know cyanescens and azurescens. I know that they seem to be more adapted to milder climate. But they are still a species that will benefit from cold shocking. I don't want to say anything about what ralphster said, I have great respect for the man and his outstanding business, but I think people moving from growing cubes to growing cyanofriscosas is something that's definitely not going to happen by a long shot. When it comes to yields and ease of cultivation cubensis are unrivaled.
Regarding the cold shocking question: yes. Put the tray in the refrigerator for 5-7 days, then fruit it.


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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: carpetmunch]
    #10308585 - 05/08/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks German Kahuna.  I thought maybe this is the next big thing and maybe it is. It is definitely on my list of future projects tho. but you sure are right about cubes, they will probably never be one upped.
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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: carpetmunch]
    #10308625 - 05/08/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I am going to move to trying to cultivate more unusual things than commercial cube strains myself, mostly looking for prints from the wild. I got an amazing wild auzzie cube as my next project and got a wild South African cubensis coming my way as well. Apart from that I'll go into Pans.
I also got some azure patches outdoors. Plus my mushroom garden of edibles.


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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: German Kahuna]
    #10308635 - 05/08/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

German Kahuna said: I got an amazing wild auzzie cube as my next



Any chance thats the Wollogong?


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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: rustypan]
    #10308668 - 05/08/09 03:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Nope. It's not a commercial strain. It's from a print of a wild specimen that came straight from the field. It's got the most amazing bright spore print I've ever seen in any cube. I will try and stabilize a strain that permanently displays its characteristics.
It's this wild specimen:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9974196

Enough thread jacking for now, though. Apologies.


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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: German Kahuna]
    #10308816 - 05/08/09 03:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ralphster said in the shroomery sponsor board if you need a tek on how to grow these then just email him.

If you do get a tek from him maybe you could put it here for all of us interested in growing this species.

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Re: P. cyanofriscosa [Re: hemppy]
    #10315086 - 05/09/09 10:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)


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