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veda_sticks
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Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL 1
#10311799 - 05/09/09 07:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just as a reminder to everyone and any new cultivators that may get cought up with the contam paranoia. YOU DO NOT CLEAN A GLOVEBOX WITH ALCOHOL LYSOL BLEACH OR ANY OTHER FLAMMABLE SOLUTION. AND YOU CERTAINLY DO NOT FLAME YOUR NEEDLE INSIDE, AS YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE SOME ALCOHOL IN THERE, ALCOHOL WIPES OR A ALOCHOL SOAKED PAPER TOWEL.
This is what happened to relentless999 over at shroomotopia (a new mushroom cultivation forum) and i guess i havnt gotten through to everyone
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Well, tonight I was making an albino a+ syringe and things didnt go so well.. I have always put everything in the gb, sprayed it with disinfectant and wipe down with alcohol.. let sit, then start working.. when inoculating or doing anything with a syringe I always wiped down the needle with alcohol and then quickly lit the end with the lighter.. i always thought this wasnt the brightest idea, but others told me to do this and I would be fine.. anyways, today it didnt work so well for me.. and its weird because at two points during this session alone I thought to myself, man this is really flammable, I shouldn do this.. when I went to light the needle tip, the needle tip caught fire.. all of the sudden the fire jumped from the needle to the glovebox, i tried to move my hands around to stop it and there was no hope.. i tried to pull my hands out and I got stuck.. in the middle of everything the glovebox drops off my hands and falls to the ground.. the bottle of alcohol of course spills igniting the glovebox even more.. my wife grabs the fire extinguisher, I run for a towl.. its burning on the tile now.. I run to it, picked up the entire flaming glovebox burning myself, and thre it towards the door.. then opened the door, and by that time it caught a wall on fire, then i threw it out the door.. luckily I got away with only small wounds and my house is fine.. just need to repaint one little wall.
I learned two things tonight.. I will never use a lighter in a glovebox again, and I will trust my instincts next time..
My glovbox.. I am so thankful tonight.. That was really scarry. edit: notice the albino a+ print
This is the very reason why you see me repying when i hear anyone cleaning out there glovebox with disinfectants and alcohol.
Its not nessesary and its dangerous.
CLEAN YOUR STILL AIR BOX WITH SOAPY WATER, LEAVE THE WALLS WET, PUT YOUR STUFF IN. LEAVE IT 10 MINUTES AND WORK AWAY. FLAME YOUR NEEDLE OUTSIDE AND BRING IT BANG IN WHILE STILL RED HOT. WIPE YOUR INJECTION SITE WITH ALCOHOL AND INOCULATE WHILE STILL HOT.
ANY TOOLS SHOULD BE FLAMED RED HOT OUTSIDE THE GLOVEBOX AND QUICKLY BROUGHT BACK IN AND ALLOWED TO COOL FOR A FEW SECONDS
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Apple core
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: veda_sticks] 1
#10311842 - 05/09/09 07:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shit dude, scary stuff! I'd never even thought about it before - but thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: veda_sticks] 1
#10311844 - 05/09/09 07:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ, that's the worst glove box meltdown I've ever seen.
Glad he's okay. Thanks for the post.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Brennus] 1
#10311848 - 05/09/09 08:01 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Crazy, at least there was a fire extinguisher around.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Sapient] 1
#10311861 - 05/09/09 08:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I clean my box with alcohol and oust, never put a flame in my glove box though. After seeing that I'm switching to soap and water anyway. that's nuts glad he's ok.
Edited by Othyem (05/09/09 08:09 AM)
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Sapient] 1
#10311863 - 05/09/09 08:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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im gonna stop doing that now, i must have been lucky. Crazy.
but wait , if wiping down with hot soapy water and antibacterial soap, left to dry, (i.e no lysol or pots of alchol around, only a wipe,I know its still not super safe, but surley you could still light your lighter in there if your careful?
good post Veda.Cheers.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: FractalXplora] 1
#10312147 - 05/09/09 09:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another good tip is to always have a fire extinguisher close by when working with alcohol and a flame. you can never be too careful.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: veda_sticks] 1
#10312179 - 05/09/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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what is shroomtopia? i cant seem to find it.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: veda_sticks] 1
#10312210 - 05/09/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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bleach isn't flammable...as far as i know.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Optx] 1
#10312220 - 05/09/09 10:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the guy. "Warning! Flammable, etc" is right there on the bottle.
As far as I can tell, this is Natural Selection in action.
... do have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen at all times.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Doc_T] 1
#10312239 - 05/09/09 10:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn that thing is toasty.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Doc_T] 1
#10312255 - 05/09/09 10:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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That glove box is still useable, nothing wrong with it .;)
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Apple core
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Doc_T] 1
#10312307 - 05/09/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the guy. "Warning! Flammable, etc" is right there on the bottle.
As far as I can tell, this is Natural Selection in action.
... do have a fire extinguisher in your kitchen at all times.
Actually, now you mention it - it does have the air of a Darwin Award about it!
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Apple core] 1
#10312404 - 05/09/09 11:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hahaha! Great story. When I bought alcohol from the pharmacy they said, "Don't use a lighter when using this." I laughed and said, "Are you joking?" "No, you can't believe how stupid some people are!"
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: noggin] 1
#10312824 - 05/09/09 01:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great heads-up veda sticks. These words of caution are appreciated.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Awestruck] 1
#10313208 - 05/09/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Veda, a couple days ago you wrote in a post that bleach was flammable, but since you just tossed it in a sentence with alcohol, lysol, etc. I just figured you had a brain fart so I let it go. Now I come on here and you are saying it again so let me just fix that bit of misinformation right here for the rest of the people reading this thread. *****BLEACH IS NOT FLAMMABLE************** in any way, shape or form, whether diluted or not, or in a fine mist from a spray bottle. This is why I clean my GB with alcohol first, let it ALL evaporate, mist bleach water, load jars, flame needle red-hot and toss it in, then mist everything with more bleach water. Then I happily flame sterilize my needle again INSIDE THE GLOVEBOX, knowing that the bleach water I spray will not ignite. This has been a public service announcement, thank you and have a nice day.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: DeadPhan] 1
#10313378 - 05/09/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: what is shroomtopia? i cant seem to find it.
It's actually shroomotopia.net. Easy mistake to make when typing. It's a decent site. I like it almost as much as shroomery.org, but there's nowhere near as much traffic as here.
Edited by tazz (05/09/09 03:55 PM)
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veda_sticks
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: tazz] 1
#10314091 - 05/09/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry your right, ive been mistakingly writting that bleach is flamable which it isnt. However bleach can react with other chemicals that can make it dangerous, not exactly whats in lysol, or what mixing lysol or alcohol will result in.
But apart from the fact that ALCOHOL is the most definat thing you should not use ( i have had alcohol ignite a large open room, so while you flame outside its very possible alcohol vapours could leak out glovebox ignite outside and flash inside)
Anyway, taking aside using alcohol.
The other point about still air boxes (im not going to call them gloveboxes anymore) is the fact it works on STILL AIR. disinfiecting is not required. AFter learning how a still air box worked, i stoped using disinfectants and instead soapy water. Success and contam rates didnt change.
Id like to add that alot of people like to spray bleach or lysol in the air to TRY and disinfect a small room for sterile procedures. Genraly these are surface disinfectants which do nothing to he air (lysol though does have air disinfectancts)
The MAIN point of my post was the about ALCOHOL which is extremly flammable.
Thanks for correcting me on the bleach, after some quick search you are correct and im not sure where that came from.
If it makes you feel safe then wiping your walls down with bleach should be fine, but IME its not nessary. I dont even spray stuff around my glovebox. Just wipe it down with soapy water, pyt everythign in, leave 10 minutes and work away. the only thing that i clean with alochol is jar lids and tools like inoculation loops which get flame sterilised after, and my gloved hands
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: veda_sticks] 1
#10315898 - 05/10/09 04:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wouldn't water droplets bind to some, if not most, of the spores and bacteria floating around - encouraging them to sink out of the air more quickly? By adding bleach to to the mix you get the added benefit of killing the ones it binds to?
I use a small room - spray bleach thoroughly around it, followed by some detol antibacterial aerosol (kills 99.9% of pathogens or something). Close the door, spray around it again and sit a draft excluder against the door. Then I leave it to settle whilst I clean up.
The room stings your eyes a bit sometimes - but so far (in my limited grows) I've been... Well I don't want to jinx it but you get the idea!
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Apple core] 1
#10315935 - 05/10/09 05:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Been there, done this.
Wrote about it, maybe a mod should make it a sticky.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: HybridprX]
#10316022 - 05/10/09 06:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another word of caution. I went with the idea that I could turn a shotglass upside down and fill the void on the bottom with lighter fluid to flame my needles. It worked once but the next time I did it, I must have let it burn for too long. The shotglass broke and spilled the burning zippo fluid all over the counter. The heat busted the shotglass. Be careful. Something so silly could have ruined my day bigtime. BE CAREFUL. Be smart. It's way more important that you live to try again than it is to fuck up and die or loose your' house/apartment/anything.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#10316331 - 05/10/09 09:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Applecore- That's exactly why I spray finely misted bleach water. I use a still air box but the fact remains that there is a short time where my jars are not in the pressure cooker while I open the lid, tap the jars to shake the seed apart, and load them in. During this time, I like to assume that all kinds of nasties are getting on the jars and on top of the foil covers so I mist to just dampen everything after loading the box. I figure that particles will get trapped on the misted surfaces, lessening the likelihood that they will get stirred and become airborne again as I work, and I feel that the mist droplets have a fair chance at clinging to anything that's already airborne when I spray, and quickly bringing it to the surface of the box, where they should stick, and hopefully die : D
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: veda_sticks]
#10316525 - 05/10/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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now i am just confused. so dont use alcohol in the chamber? but its ok to clean your tools and then flame sterilize them? you also mentioned that you clean your gloved hands with alcohol? please explain the difference.
if one is not to use alcohol for sterilizing things and bleach is not needed in or around the chamber, then how do we ensure sterility?
could you please describe how you move your jars (or whatever) into the still air box after sterilizing them. methodical details please.
mainly because people are obviously trying very hard to ensure success, myself included. the shroomery is great, dont get me wrong but there is so much conflicting information all over the board. -thank you
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: chronosync]
#20664127 - 10/05/14 10:15 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry for the late bump, but I've been curious about this topic as well. I am not worried about cleaning my SAB since it's not a germ-free box that does the work, it's the principle of still air, so no problem.
But I obviously need to sterilize my gloves and instruments with alcohol and sometimes flame.
1. If I am wiping down my hands with a high % isopropyl alcohol, am I fine to be near the open flame later on since it evaporates so quickly?
2. Some people put their open flames IN the box? That seems silly when I am wiping down jars with isopropyl alcohol before injecting.
Please help!
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL *DELETED* [Re: stareatclouds]
#20664192 - 10/05/14 10:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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stareatclouds
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: Sanguin3]
#20664321 - 10/05/14 11:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry, I thought it was alright if the bump was relevant. It seems silly to me to make brand new threads that contain none of the useful discussion found in this one, but actually clog up the forum with even more of the same discussion.
This board is a HUGE base of information, but I can't tell you how frustrating it is having to sift through 40 of the same kinds of topics to find only a few nuggets of new information. That's why I prefer to bump certain threads; to keep information consolidated.
Thanks for the help.
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Re: Still air Box - DO NOT CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL [Re: stareatclouds]
#20664362 - 10/05/14 11:27 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is ok to bump an old thread. The reason people say not to do it is in a scenario when they are trying to respond to a shroomery member that is probably long gone. If you're bringing a certain topic up for discussion regardless of who the op was, then it's ok.
Most people just repeat stuff without thinking about it, thus the don't raise old thread mantra, and other mantras.
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