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Offlinezouden
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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: zorbman]
    #11030592 - 09/09/09 09:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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The country will most likely go through a devastating bought of inflation to avoid a strengthening dollar and further erosion in asset prices.  However, a protracted period of deleveraging is still needed as a nation.  What we need is to return to a real economy based on a sound currency and reduced debt.  That will certainly be painful in the short term, but the only way to provide a long lasting and healthy economy.



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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: zouden]
    #11034673 - 09/10/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

G.D.P. includes government spending....  Therefore when the government goes on a spending spree in order to "stimulate the economy" you are not really seeing economic growth.  The corporations receiving money from the government benefit but the rest of the people are ripped off.


Your explanation of how "moderate" government spending somehow helping the economy doesn't hold water when you examine the fact that real economic growth would mean that there is an increase in production.  Government throwing loads of cash on pet projects fosters malinvestment and inflation.

I am suggesting that government should not attempt to prevent recessions from occurring.  How do you suppose that there would be innovation within the economy when entire industries receive lots of government money?

American car companies have been bled dry through expensive union labor.  Those companies should have gone through bankruptcy a long time ago. 



Economic downturns remove the dead weight from the economy, that's why it doesn't make sense for government to intervene.


The economy is very responsive and will correct itself if it is allowed to.


You blame the U.S. for causing economic trouble abroad...


What you aren't examining is that if foreign countries did not allow government and central banks to determine what they use for money shenanigans in the U.S. system wouldn't cause much trouble for them.


Don't blame the U.S. for that, it is the fault of the entire fiat money system worldwide that is susceptible to systemic damage when one major player is fucking up.


Indeed, if other nations utilized a free market approach with their mediums of exchange those that still used inflationary fiat would be forced to exercise monetary restraint or become impoverished almost immediately!

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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11035767 - 09/10/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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G.D.P. includes government spending....  Therefore when the government goes on a spending spree in order to "stimulate the economy" you are not really seeing economic growth.  The corporations receiving money from the government benefit but the rest of the people are ripped off.

Your explanation of how "moderate" government spending somehow helping the economy doesn't hold water when you examine the fact that real economic growth would mean that there is an increase in production.  Government throwing loads of cash on pet projects fosters malinvestment and inflation.



Yes but the increase in GDP was bigger than the increase in government spending. When the Opposite admitted in parliament that the government's stimulus plan helped the economy grow, they know full well that GDP includes government spending. The economy grew anyway. I'm sorry that that doesn't fit well with your world-view. But I've noticed that Austrian economics is not concerned with pesky things like "evidence".


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Yrat]
    #11038750 - 09/11/09 05:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> get ready for stimulus 2.0

Ahhh... so that is why healthcare reform is necessary for the recovery of the economy.  Now I get it!


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: zouden]
    #11041117 - 09/11/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Australia is three trillion dollars in debt.  The debt will only increase.  How much debt is needed to bankrupt the economy?

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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: zouden]
    #11041217 - 09/11/09 03:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

A rise in government GDP stats means little to nothing.

The government has corrupted the way they calculate GDP so much that the stats are unreliable and lack credibility.

same goes for inflation.


I don't know if you know about hedonics and substitutions etc.  but the gradual introduction of these "accounting rules" has allowed the official GDP and inflation stats to be largely over and under stated respectively.


In order for a (real) growth in GDP  to actually be good,  it needs to also correspond with low inflation.    if your GDP  is going up,  but so is inflation,  the net result is null.


sure you get a higher wage (maybe if you're lucky) but your paycheck doesn't go as far.


I don't know if you guys have had your eye on the US dollar index lately  but it's below 77 and heading down.


The USA cannot spend its way out of the recession,  the recession is because of excess spending.  to much consuming  not enough producing and saving.  the government cannot just have money printed (borrow more money) and hand it out to the banks to fix things.

excess borrowing is what caused the problem.  they are making it worse.


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Shins]
    #11072271 - 09/16/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

290 cosponsers!


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Shins]
    #11072300 - 09/16/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

woops double post


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Yrat]
    #11075406 - 09/17/09 09:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Yrat said:
290 cosponsers!





It is time to harass the Senators!    :laugh:

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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Yrat]
    #11127352 - 09/25/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

H.R.1207 Financial Services Committee Hearings began today!

There is already much waxing philosophical about Austrian Business Cycle Theory:

http://financialserv.edgeboss.net/wmedia/financialserv/hearing092509.wvx

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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11129331 - 09/26/09 01:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Good deal.

Maybe we can finally keep the Fed from blowing up these asset bubbles as they love to do for their investment banker buddies. Of course it is too late to stop the damage which has already been done from running a Casino Economy.


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: zorbman]
    #11130033 - 09/26/09 06:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

If they can not resort to bubble "economics" then they have painted themselves into a corner.

http://mises.org/story/3518

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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Mr.Al]
    #11144976 - 09/28/09 04:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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The Anti-Fed Revolution Is Happening
By Matt Hawes
Published 09/28/09

As anyone who attended Friday's Audit the Fed hearing could tell you (or as you could see from watching via the live stream), it was quite the experience.

My first thought upon taking my seat was literally, "Wow. We did this." Seriously. A thorough and complete audit of the Fed wasn't on anyone else's radar before Congressman Paul introduced his bill back in February. Even with the recession on in full force and debates raging as to the scope of the bailouts, the odds were good that the bill would suffer the same fate it had when previously introduced and quietly sit in the assigned Committee.

But something had drastically changed since the last time this bill was presented. Principles consistently championed for thirty years were given an unprecedented platform. Apathy was cured. As the days went by, more people started hearing the ever-louder sounds of the Constitution being shredded on the local, state, and national levels, and those people decided they had had enough.

We had a Revolution. Correction, we are having a Revolution.

A Revolution not only of signs and rallies, but of dedicated, inexhaustible action.

Campaign for Liberty adamantly refused to allow this bill to go gently into that foul legislative abyss. It became our number one legislative priority for 2009.

We started calling our representatives' offices. While their staffs were busy answering phones, they heard a ding as the latest email arrived in their inbox. Before they could reach their mouse to click on their browser, the mail showed up with fresh letters from their constituents urging -- demanding -- their boss sign on in support of HR 1207.

As they finished sorting through that latest batch, their fax machine churned out even more forms.

Cheers erupted at the St. Louis Regional Conference as we announced that we had pushed 1207 past its previous cosponsor high of 44.

Then we aimed for 100. 150. 200.

218. (June 11)

Surely no more, right? A majority would satisfy us.

A massive, transpartisan coalition assembled to argue otherwise.

250.

280.

295.

I could hear it in their voices and see it in their expressions. Although the congressmen at Friday's hearing were interested in auditing the Fed, they were most motivated by the fact that their constituents just wouldn't stop seeking their support for it. They knew they would have to answer for their position.

Secondly, I was thrilled at the admiration Dr. Paul was getting as various members of the Financial Services Committee acknowledged his deep, thorough understanding of the monetary system -- recognition in a public congressional forum that was long, long overdue.

And did you catch a congressman who wasn't named Ron Paul mentioning (and asking the Fed representative a question about) Ludwig von Mises and whether he was right after all about the Fed compounding the economy's ills?

Ok... that was just cool.

Freedom is becoming more popular.

Next, I watched as the Federal Reserve General Counsel tried his best to defend an institution that is ultimately indefensible. One question after another came from Ron Paul, Scott Garrett, Michele Bachmann, Alan Grayson, and more.

Positions in chairs were oddly shifted.

Favorite quote of the day:

Ron Paul to Fed General Counsel: "You're very lucky. I'm back. And I have unlimited time."

Dr. Paul was joking when he said it, but nevertheless, it was a priceless moment.

Eventually, the questions for the Fed Counsel ended and it was time for Tom Woods to make the pro-Audit case.

Read his statement here.

I loved watching Tom tell the Committee that the Fed should just go ahead and prepare for the inevitability of an audit.

Who would have thought a year ago that they would see Tom Woods testifying before Congress, much less telling them that their resistance was futile?

I already used the word "priceless." Writers of the world, please pardon my repetition.

Priceless.

In the end, not a whole lot happened that we didn't expect to happen. It was a traditional congressional hearing. Typical questions and answers.

But don't lose sight of the fact that this was a defensive hearing for the Fed. They were there to actively protect themselves, not just to give the typical propaganda. Our movement started with a country doctor from Texas who was motivated by the closing of the gold window. Over 30 years later, we have joined together to challenge the most secretive institution in Washington on its own territory.

For a change, we have looked big government in the eye and made it blink.

Make no mistake, though today's hearing was a historic event on many levels, it's also the sign that we've now arrived at the hardest part of this battle - making sure Audit the Fed passes clean through and receives a standalone vote. Pressure to make this a part of the overall regulatory reform package will be intense. (This was the final impression I was left with during the proceedings.)

It will be very easy for our representatives to vote on a severely-watered down version while saying that they cosponsored the original bill and still support the "spirit of the legislation."

Keep in mind, we weren't supposed to reach this point. And the same critics will say that we won't be able to get a clean bill through Committee, or we won't be able to get a vote in the House, or we won't make any further progress in the Senate.

Bring on the challenges. We're pretty good at exceeding expectations.

"We did this."

Indeed we did.

And we're not through yet.




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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: Yrat]
    #11145248 - 09/28/09 05:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Ron Paul to Fed General Counsel: "You're very lucky. I'm back. And I have unlimited time."

:rockon: :lol:

I say LET THE SUN SHINE IN!!!

Rats and roaches always run for cover when the lights come on.

And vampires.


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Re: HR 1207 Federal Reserve Transparency Act [Re: zorbman]
    #11151357 - 09/29/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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zorbman said:
Ron Paul to Fed General Counsel: "You're very lucky. I'm back. And I have unlimited time."

:rockon: :lol:

I say LET THE SUN SHINE IN!!!

Rats and roaches always run for cover when the lights come on.

And vampires.






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