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Selective Service
    #10302609 - 05/07/09 01:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I just got a letter about it, and I've been 18 since October. Was wondering the consequences for not signing up, and wondering if there was a way to conscientiously object? I'm a bit of a hippy, and hate everything the military apart from the National Guard, who stay here, stand for. If I have to do it, and there is a draft, that will be to much though.
Burn the flag, kill those government fags. Anyone else here tried to, or managed to avoid it?


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Edited by doom876 (05/07/09 01:41 PM)

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Re: Selective Service [Re: doom876]
    #10302644 - 05/07/09 01:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Brother, I am SUCH a hippy. Albeit an often irate one (if that makes sense). As far as I'm concerned the only thing I am accountable to is not my family, not my friends, not my government, but the Earth... my true mother.

Flee to Canada man, we love the Draft Dodgers here. I have great respect for them.


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Re: Selective Service [Re: doom876]
    #10302680 - 05/07/09 01:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Just fill it out, they wont draft you.  If they do, then you can still flee.

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Re: Selective Service [Re: doom876]
    #10302748 - 05/07/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I would go ahead and fill it out and send it in.  I am 21 and my parents had me do so, even though they would probably be very confused and perhaps disappointed if I joined the military (typical middle-class values: I support America's aggressive foreign policy for ideological reasons but don't want my own son in harm's way).  There hasn't been a draft since 1973, and while I could definitely see them needing to fill in some numbers fast - Pakistan collapse sparking war across SE Asia anyone? - it seems like an outside chance this would be through a draft.

A conscript army will not commit acts of bravery for shitty pay and a king they hate.  An army of nationalists who volunteer for service WILL FUCK SHIT UP.  So for this reason I can see the armed forces wanting to avoid drafting.  Also, it would be a political disaster for any president or congressman to get behind the plan, so if we do see a draft, I think it is pretty reasonable to assume that the status quo as we know it will have already changed beyond anything we can grasp right now.  Plus, mercenary armies are easy to come by.  Blackwater, now re-branded Xe, will still be around and it is expensive as shit to field guns-for-hire but cheaper than having Vietnam style protests across the states, especially with how massively Democratic our generation is.

I don't really know much about C.O. status, if it is something you apply for when filling out for selective service or if you try to establish it after being called.  You can do what my Commie friend would; enter the service and do everything you can to undermine it from within through vandalism, malingering, and radical political education of your fellow draftees.  You can bail to another country, though probably not Canada as they seem to have been getting more extradition-happy these days?  Or you can tell them you're a  :gayflag:

The thing about the National Guard is they are currently being deployed overseas to supplement forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite this clearly not being the purpose of this force.  They receive less adequate training than regular soldiers, and receive less help when they get back, but oftentimes have to go through the same real shit when they're over there.  Also, the deployment of America's military disaster-relief and self defense forces as well as their equipment overseas severely undermines the purpose.

Overall, I think the chances of there being a draft x the chances of you being drafted x the chances of you not finding a way to get out of it legally or fleeing the country are way less than the cost of whatever trouble you'd get in for not submitting your info.

Best of luck!

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Re: Selective Service [Re: Life_of_a_Cell]
    #10302780 - 05/07/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Botch the forms, or say you're gay. Will that work?

How do these military forms work? We don't have those here.


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Re: Selective Service [Re: doom876]
    #10302797 - 05/07/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I tossed that shit in the trash 20 years ago and never heard another word about it......fuck that shit ..toss it.

It`s a giant crock of bullshit,nobody has ever asked me about it for a job,loan,drivers licence,social security card,buying a house ,going to jail....nobody cares about it.

I selected not to fill it out.....:shrug:


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Re: Selective Service [Re: Wapakz]
    #10302806 - 05/07/09 02:12 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The national guard doesn't stay here, although they're supposed to

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Re: Selective Service [Re: Life_of_a_Cell]
    #10302808 - 05/07/09 02:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I bet if they had a draft they'd take us gays. Not good enough to volunteer, but good enough to be dragged in. I just, I dunno, it feels cowardly and like I'm going against everything i believe in just by signing up.


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Re: Selective Service [Re: doom876]
    #10302812 - 05/07/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So does the US government give everyone a draft sheet once they turn 18? Is that what this thread is about, really?


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Re: Selective Service [Re: Wapakz]
    #10302820 - 05/07/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Its a card where you register for a potential draft.  Every male over 18 has to fill it out, but many dont.  The only time Ive needed to have it filled out was when I applied for college student aid.

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Re: Selective Service [Re: doom876]
    #10302823 - 05/07/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

doom876 said:
I bet if they had a draft they'd take us gays. Not good enough to volunteer, but good enough to be dragged in. I just, I dunno, it feels cowardly and like I'm going against everything i believe in just by signing up.




Dont fill it out ,toss that shit in the trash ,burn it ,jack offf on it ...return to sender ....whatever makes you feel better .....nothing will ever come from not filling it out...

Wait you must have me on ignore.......:rofl2::mattz:


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Re: Selective Service [Re: unretarded]
    #10302848 - 05/07/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

say you have some sort of psycological predisposition... bipolar, ADHD what have you...

Lol being bipolar got me outta it...


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Re: Selective Service [Re: DieCommie]
    #10302868 - 05/07/09 02:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Qubit said:
Its a card where you register for a potential draft.  Every male over 18 has to fill it out, but many dont.  The only time Ive needed to have it filled out was when I applied for college student aid.




Oh my...

In that case, I'd fill it out and hide behind the first amendment, claiming that my religion forbids war.

EDIT: The reason why is if in 10 years open gays are allowed to join the army, OP might get drafted regardless. Religion is inalienable though.


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Re: Selective Service [Re: Wapakz]
    #10302923 - 05/07/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A draft is not going to happen, just fill it out to make mr. government official happy.


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