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OfflinePhluck
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Constitution, bible.
    #1030124 - 11/06/02 11:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If it's in the constitution, is it the actual, verbatim, word of god?


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Phluck]
    #1032320 - 11/07/02 01:55 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Its a funny subject, rights and the bible. In our constitution "all people have unaienable rights that are endowed by there creator", i wounder what would happen if a man has the technology to trick humanity in to making them believe that he is god. Then could that man take away every born rights of man?


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1032497 - 11/07/02 02:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

psssh... its just the constitution...


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1032970 - 11/07/02 04:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

what if you geneticly created a bunch of people, then legaly you are thier creator.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1033092 - 11/07/02 05:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Um... right.

What I meant was, "it's in the constitution" isn't necessarily a good reason for anything. The founding fathers weren't thinking of 21st century society when they wrote the thing.

ie. A well regulated militia to keep the government in check may have been feasible in the 1700's, but it isn't really today.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Phluck]
    #1034753 - 11/08/02 03:01 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

ie. A well regulated militia to keep the government in check may have been feasible in the 1700's, but it isn't really today.



I disagree. There are 80 million gun owners in the US today. If just 1% belong to the out of my cold dead hands club that equals 800,000 well armed men willing to fight and die to preserve liberty.

Edit to add. Remember Lexington and Concord started off as a British gun grab. The powers that be would do well to remember this fact.


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Edited by Ellis Dee (11/08/02 03:03 AM)


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1034884 - 11/08/02 03:51 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If only those gun owners would use those guns only for keeping the government in check.....


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1036189 - 11/08/02 02:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

"There are 80 million gun owners in the US today. If just 1% belong to the out of my cold dead hands club that equals 800,000 well armed men willing to fight and die to preserve liberty."

That's quite a bit different from a well regulated militia. Do you think they'd all agree on how to run the newly overthrown government? Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of violent revolutions end in violent dictatorships, no matter what the stated goal is.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Phluck]
    #1036228 - 11/08/02 02:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You're right. It's better that the people all just turn in their guns and accept a dictatorship... hey, it worked for the Germans, right?


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Evolving]
    #1038803 - 11/09/02 02:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Not having guns does not equal dictatorship.



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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Phluck]
    #1039351 - 11/09/02 07:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Forbiding guns means the people have been subjugated, either willingly as in England, or forcibly as in China. The people are not free. They are both police states.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Phluck]
    #1039665 - 11/09/02 11:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Since we drifted into the 'gun debate' I have to know.

Do you trust the government?

A simple yes or no will do.

Thanks,


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1039844 - 11/10/02 12:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Not having guns has caused more problems inEngland than having guns in America???? Come ON!


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1039854 - 11/10/02 12:56 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Would you want to live in a country where only the police are armed?


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Anonymous]
    #1040417 - 11/10/02 05:59 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well...Yeah. Cause Police where I'm from Don't shoot you.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Evolving]
    #1040438 - 11/10/02 06:18 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It's better that the people all just turn in their guns and accept a dictatorship... hey, it worked for the Germans, right?

Not really. The weimer republic desperately tried to introduce gun control in 1928 to prevent the rise of the armed Nazi bands. Unfortunately they failed. If they'd banned guns 10 years earlier the Nazi's would have had a lot harder time reaching power. Could the Nazi's have gained power without having an enormous armed band like the SA behind them? It's highly unlikely.

Hitler didn't even bother with any gun control until 1938 (after he'd been in power 5 years) and even then he did little more than tighten up the existing 1928 laws. Gun control certainly wasn't one of his priorities regardless of what the NRA tells you.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Anonymous]
    #1040701 - 11/10/02 12:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe he meant British Columbia because they sure do shoot people in Canada.

"Sarnia, ONTARIO -- Family and supporters of slain Native protester Anthony "Dudley" George were outraged at a recent hearing here by a judge's comments that blamed Natives for George's death during a 1995 battle with police outside Ipperwash Provincial Park.
Their anger exploded outside the court after the Feb. 12 hearing when Natives tried to confront an Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) officer responsible for charging protesters who took part in the park's occupation. They were held back by Sarnia police.

Dudley George was part of a group of 24 Stoney Point Natives who occupied the park, located on the southeast shore of Lake Huron, two days before the clash to protest its being built over a burial ground. He was shot and killed by OPP Acting Sgt. Kenneth Deane.
Deane was convicted last year of criminal negligence causing the death of an unarmed man. In a decision that greatly angered Canada's Native community, Deane received a conditional sentence of two years community service.

Deane is appealing the conviction and the Ontario prosecutors' office is appealing the sentence."

Or maybe he just meant that Canadian police don't shoot white people.

Or maybe he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.  :smirk:

Taken from "Canadian police go 'Native' and shoot a Canadian in cold blood".  Click HERE!

 


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    #1042558 - 11/11/02 05:46 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Ahh, the red herring...Very good.


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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1042716 - 11/11/02 09:30 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

How was the lobotomy? not to painful I hope, must be nice having all that space in your head is it? probabaly best not to try making intelligent comments though as you'll just end up spoutiing shit like this:

In reply to:

Forbiding guns means the people have been subjugated, either willingly as in England, or forcibly as in China. The people are not free. They are both police states.




We doint want guns!! I know u americans who think owning a gun is some kind of god given right cant get your heads around it but we dont want guns!! We stop playing cowboys and indians at around 8 or 9 years of age.



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Re: Constitution, bible. [Re: GazzBut]
    #1042748 - 11/11/02 09:46 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Ya know, we have guns, were not a TRUE free country. You can't say freedom to use guns, means were a free country?


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