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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Kukaracha]
#11065513 - 09/15/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said: I didn't like Advent Children. It sucked.
It was like, "hey FFVII is over" then "oh wait... I see $$$ there... hey guys, look, look Sephiroth is not dead, pretty graphic designs!" I just considered it fanboy masturbatory material.
So...what sucked about it? You said it sucked, and then you said pretty graphic designs! That's not a flaw in my book. What else was wrong with it?
And...just because fans of FFVII like Advent Children, that makes it fanboy masturbatory material???
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: rhyumavampire]
#11065721 - 09/15/09 06:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Loved the game... HATED advent children.... there's no point to it.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: echoesSG]
#11065768 - 09/15/09 07:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I really loved Advent Children...it has some cool philosophical ideas...at least for me personally it inspires cool thoughts and feelings. I certainly wouldn't say there's no point to it. The only thing I didn't care for was the dragonball z-like fights, but I can tolerate them for the what else is there.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: EHO]
#11066192 - 09/15/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The collection of FFVII web novels I was referring to can be read HERE
Denzel's has already been animated, the rest should be out eventually...
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On a Way to a Smile is a collection of seven short stories written by Kazushige Nojima the scenario writer for the RPG Final Fantasy VII and its spin-off movie Advent Children. Each story takes a look at how the characters have been doing in the two year gap between the end of the original FFVII story and the beginning of the movie Advent Children. The collection started off on the internet where the very first story Case of Denzel was initially split into four chapters, the first being published onto the official Japanese FFVII: Advent Children website on September 5th 2005, a week before the release of the long anticipated CG movie. Over the two weeks that followed up until the movie's release, the remaining chapters were also uploaded.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Newbie]
#11066234 - 09/15/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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advent children is awesome to watch really stoned
I played ff7 before I smoked weed...it is a goal of mine to play through that game really stoned (the entire game, even if i have to take a tolerance break)... I've been 1) letting it fade from my memory as best I can...it's situations like this where it sucks having really good memory 2) waiting on the possibility of a remake...some say it wont happen, but the producer i think, said he would like to do it if he could get the whole original team to work on the remake...that would be awesome...he says the latest projects like ffxiii are what is being focused on, some say it will never happen, but who knows
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: the bizzle]
#11068081 - 09/16/09 02:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, Advent Children had pretty much nothing to do there. Final Fantasy VII was a story in its whole. There even was a video with Nanaki at the end of the credits where you could see an abandoned Midgar, in a "the end" way.
I mean, wtf, they put three emo guys, an "unknown person", a resurrected Sephiroth, a virus, and the story is back on tracks? No it's not. The original was beautiful, it had a powerful story and a rich backround which left many questions unanswered. It had a particular feeling, it was older in the way that there was less hype around it. A few fancy haircuts left aside, many things were left as simple, and darker. You could visit a brothel in the slums and such.
Advent Children was made for fanboys. Why? It's pretty, everything is "badass", you have some nice matrix slo-mo action, you have a comeback of many characters, even Rufus and Sephiroth are there just to make everything even more badass.
Do you get my point? Ok, it's cool but it's empty. It's like making a Lord of the Rings II : Frodo's comeback, where a Frodo whith dark glasses and superpowers would come back to kill a badass Sauron. Saruman's back too; in fact,everyone is back in one epic battle. At the end of this battle, everything goes back to normal and I think, damn that was quite useless. Square Enix is just raping the shit out of the original story with all those games and movies and whatever. I'll just stick to the original story, if they want to make it a tale where popstars fight other popstars, fine...
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Kukaracha]
#11069403 - 09/16/09 10:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said: Well, Advent Children had pretty much nothing to do there. Final Fantasy VII was a story in its whole. There even was a video with Nanaki at the end of the credits where you could see an abandoned Midgar, in a "the end" way.
I mean, wtf, they put three emo guys, an "unknown person", a resurrected Sephiroth, a virus, and the story is back on tracks? No it's not. The original was beautiful, it had a powerful story and a rich backround which left many questions unanswered. It had a particular feeling, it was older in the way that there was less hype around it. A few fancy haircuts left aside, many things were left as simple, and darker. You could visit a brothel in the slums and such.
Advent Children was made for fanboys. Why? It's pretty, everything is "badass", you have some nice matrix slo-mo action, you have a comeback of many characters, even Rufus and Sephiroth are there just to make everything even more badass.
Do you get my point? Ok, it's cool but it's empty. It's like making a Lord of the Rings II : Frodo's comeback, where a Frodo whith dark glasses and superpowers would come back to kill a badass Sauron. Saruman's back too; in fact,everyone is back in one epic battle. At the end of this battle, everything goes back to normal and I think, damn that was quite useless. Square Enix is just raping the shit out of the original story with all those games and movies and whatever. I'll just stick to the original story, if they want to make it a tale where popstars fight other popstars, fine...
Exactly! I watched AC one time and wish I could scrape it out of my scull. I've never played the spin-off games and never will. I would cry my ass off if they raped Lord of the Rings! I cried when Gandolf fell.....yeah I'm a puss.....so SUE ME!
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by the way, it's MUCH better to watch Advent Children with the original japanese dialogue. Especially that little girl at the beginning...much more impactful with the japanese girl talking about the lifestream and whatever. That movie was not completely empty, it had some cool eastern-philosophy type stuff throughout, if you can ignore the over-the-top fight scenes...I guess you could say the average anime has that too but I still enjoyed it very much. It definitely pwned spirits within, but you still can't expect it to please everybody. Squaresoft may seem to be greedy for the $ nowadays but at least they aren't completely ignoring some of the classics. Maybe they butcher some stuff a little but who knows, maybe one day they'll see the $ potential for unbutchering what they butcher, or actually doing some justice to the shit they recycle.
squaresoft has been ownhill ever since merging with enix, but still, it would be better to voice complaints to them, not to people who enjoy bits of what they do
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: the bizzle]
#11070038 - 09/16/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I downloaded the jap version with subtitles. I don't expect much, because as was stated above the original was complete story unto itself. I just want to see some of the old characters rendered in modern day graphics. That will be enough.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: the bizzle]
#11071207 - 09/16/09 04:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh don't get me wrong the bizzle, I'm not really annoyed by the people who watch it, but by Square Enix who's pumping yens out of that wonderful story.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Kukaracha]
#11073209 - 09/16/09 09:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said: Well, Advent Children had pretty much nothing to do there. Final Fantasy VII was a story in its whole. There even was a video with Nanaki at the end of the credits where you could see an abandoned Midgar, in a "the end" way.
I mean, wtf, they put three emo guys, an "unknown person", a resurrected Sephiroth, a virus, and the story is back on tracks? No it's not. The original was beautiful, it had a powerful story and a rich backround which left many questions unanswered. It had a particular feeling, it was older in the way that there was less hype around it. A few fancy haircuts left aside, many things were left as simple, and darker. You could visit a brothel in the slums and such.
Advent Children was made for fanboys. Why? It's pretty, everything is "badass", you have some nice matrix slo-mo action, you have a comeback of many characters, even Rufus and Sephiroth are there just to make everything even more badass.
Do you get my point? Ok, it's cool but it's empty. It's like making a Lord of the Rings II : Frodo's comeback, where a Frodo whith dark glasses and superpowers would come back to kill a badass Sauron. Saruman's back too; in fact,everyone is back in one epic battle. At the end of this battle, everything goes back to normal and I think, damn that was quite useless. Square Enix is just raping the shit out of the original story with all those games and movies and whatever. I'll just stick to the original story, if they want to make it a tale where popstars fight other popstars, fine...
I must say that Crisis Core was a great spinoff...and the only one I've played. Advent Children might mean more to you if you play it. (I'm assuming you haven't based on your attitude towards the spinoff games and movies lol)
I also disagree with your comment that it's cool but it's empty. Is it as deep as FFVII? Of course not, but you can't shrink a masterpiece like FFVII down to 2 hours and expect it to be as deep. For what Advent Children is, it is done quite well and is rather amazing. And, I do agree that it was made for the fans (no need to lump all the fans in with fanboys...there's a difference), but that's not really a bad thing or a valid argument. What kind of sense would it make to do a spinoff of something and not do it for fans of the original?
I don't understand why you guys are bashing it for being: pretty, "badassed", over-the-top, comeback of characters, etc. What do you want it to be? Poorly animated, lame, boring, no familiar characters? The fights may have been over-the-top but they were each unique in their own way, and did things that had never been done before.
If you genuinely didn't like it overall, that's fine, but don't condemn the qualities it DOES have because you felt it was missing something else.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: rhyumavampire]
#11074974 - 09/17/09 04:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, I don't think that being badass is a quality. And when I say "pretty graphics" it's to point out that it can be really nice in the outside, hiding a poor quality inside.
Cartoons for kids are badass. I don't want badass. I want no superpowered heroes, I don't want them to have cool poses, I don't want unlimited explosions. It's ridiculous! I don't want a story to be cool, I want it to be deep and to fill me with emotions. I want weak heroes, I want humanity in them, I want them to fail, I want something simple, no fancy explosions, no poweranger poses.
I don't want to see power and cool stuff and cool fights, I want to see a meaningful journey to have beautiful dreams myself. Something that makes me wonder, like a wonderful painting, and not something that excites me like a badass movie or a porn movie. If I want to be excited, I'll watch porn or Pulp Fiction or 300... but in the case of FFVII, it's not really what I expect. Everything comes down to what I expect from the original game actually.
Now, what I don't like about the spinoffs, as I already mentioned it, is that the game was a whole already. I don't see the point of any spinoffs, especially in the future of FFVII, except making money out of hungry fans.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Kukaracha]
#11076452 - 09/17/09 12:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Apparently there are a lot of patches out now for the PC version that replace the character models with upgraded Advent Children style ones, even in gameplay. I just might download this game, mod it up, and play with improved graphics and music. Shit, it's exactly what I'm looking for, why wait for a remake?
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Newbie]
#11076484 - 09/17/09 12:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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the PC version of FF7 had crappified midi translations of the original music
there may have been a patch to fix that, idk...let me know if you get it to work
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: the bizzle]
#11076492 - 09/17/09 12:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a patch for it. I think you need the OST though so it plays from your PC.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Newbie]
#11084222 - 09/18/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bought my OST on iTunes a few years back. I think it was around $20 or something like that.
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I've got all the OSTs...and they were free... all I had to do was rip mp3s from the .psf files with an app...it took a while, but was well worth it
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: the bizzle]
#11087244 - 09/19/09 03:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can also download them from the link I posted, I think. Depends of your monies.
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: Kukaracha]
#11091061 - 09/19/09 07:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said: No, I don't think that being badass is a quality. And when I say "pretty graphics" it's to point out that it can be really nice in the outside, hiding a poor quality inside.
Cartoons for kids are badass. I don't want badass. I want no superpowered heroes, I don't want them to have cool poses, I don't want unlimited explosions. It's ridiculous! I don't want a story to be cool, I want it to be deep and to fill me with emotions. I want weak heroes, I want humanity in them, I want them to fail, I want something simple, no fancy explosions, no poweranger poses.
I don't want to see power and cool stuff and cool fights, I want to see a meaningful journey to have beautiful dreams myself. Something that makes me wonder, like a wonderful painting, and not something that excites me like a badass movie or a porn movie. If I want to be excited, I'll watch porn or Pulp Fiction or 300... but in the case of FFVII, it's not really what I expect. Everything comes down to what I expect from the original game actually.
Now, what I don't like about the spinoffs, as I already mentioned it, is that the game was a whole already. I don't see the point of any spinoffs, especially in the future of FFVII, except making money out of hungry fans.
Have you even played the original game? I'm beginning to wonder...it sounds as if you would despise everything about the game except the storyline.
But, to each their own I suppose. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
There are plenty of other people that enjoy Advent Children with me.
I just have to ask one question though...why can't something be badassed, cool, deep, and emotional at the same time?
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Re: Final Fantasy VII Appreciation Thread [Re: rhyumavampire]
#11091073 - 09/19/09 07:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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rhyumavampire said: There are plenty of other people that enjoy Advent Children with me.
it wasn't perfect, but i very much enjoyed it
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