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skatealex2
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Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis?
#10288236 - 05/05/09 01:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone know any?? Over the counter ........
some I have
valerian root- nice but I don't like having to pee so often
melatonin- love this but not sure if it is sexually healthy and I heard it can shrink your balls or something
kava- nice but I like using that for chilling, not sleeping
marijuana- my personal favorite but I am gonna become a weekend warrior- too much social anxiety from ganj
any good sleep herbs that I am missing?
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288248 - 05/05/09 01:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A good book? (Don't smoke it )
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filthee
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288269 - 05/05/09 02:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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warm milk?
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Psilomind
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: filthee]
#10288297 - 05/05/09 02:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A shot of whiskey and some Benedryl.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Psilomind]
#10288333 - 05/05/09 02:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Psilomind]
#10288334 - 05/05/09 02:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilomind said: A shot of whiskey and some Benedryl.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Phish_Dude]
#10288341 - 05/05/09 02:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They're not herbs, but Magnesium and Calcium taken together are a great duo if you don't mind a little loosening of the bowels.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288354 - 05/05/09 02:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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OTC just get one of the sedative anti-histamines.
Not without their side effects (nothing drastic), they put you to sleep.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Chubba]
#10288403 - 05/05/09 03:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i absolutly CANNOT take drmamine.
If i do i get extream anxiety, and RLS symptoms.
Chamomile tea, or booze, if weed isnt your thing.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
#10288447 - 05/05/09 03:26 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not booze.
Contrary to standard belief, alcohol is terrible for sleep.
Indeed it knocks you out, but it's a VERY low quality of sleep, IMO better to get a few hours less but go naturally.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Chubba]
#10288452 - 05/05/09 03:27 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288512 - 05/05/09 03:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: melatonin- love this but not sure if it is sexually healthy and I heard it can shrink your balls or something
lolwut
If you have any sources for these assertions I'd love to see 'em; as far as I know the only problem with taking melatonin is that it can screw up your sleep cycle if you take it at the wrong time of day.
You're missing L-tryptophan on your list, too. Personally I never get excessive urination from Valerian root but then again I just take the extract in pill form and have never brewed the tea. Melatonin or Valerian usually does me fine.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288563 - 05/05/09 04:31 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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A dark room, and an avid imagination.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: blewmeanie]
#10288584 - 05/05/09 04:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is what ultimately works best for me (aside from opiates, alcohol and cannabis) Healthier diet Exercise Deep thinking and breathing exercises.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288587 - 05/05/09 04:48 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: melatonin- love this but not sure if it is sexually healthy and I heard it can shrink your balls or something
Oh gawwwwd yellow 5!
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10288590 - 05/05/09 04:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sex.
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DimensionX
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10288591 - 05/05/09 04:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Masturbation...
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10288598 - 05/05/09 04:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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(US citizens) There is also an OTC anti-histamine sedative called Doxylamine. It can be found in many night time cough syups. And this stuff works great, i didn't know it was possible for an OTC sedative to put me out like it did.
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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (05/05/09 04:55 AM)
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10288618 - 05/05/09 05:04 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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NyQuil works wonders!
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: DimensionX]
#10288632 - 05/05/09 05:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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DimensionX said: Masturbation...
Yeah, I'll second that one.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10289253 - 05/05/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said:
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skatealex2 said: melatonin- love this but not sure if it is sexually healthy and I heard it can shrink your balls or something
Oh gawwwwd yellow 5!
someone posted this recently ina melatonin thread from a doctor's book or something I did take a drop of melatonin last night though
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10289591 - 05/05/09 10:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hope that's not true! I usually use tylonal PM, sometimes with 3mg melotonin. I'd like to stop using the tylonal because it's probably not the healthiest thing to be taking nightly, but nothing else does the trick for me. I exercise 3 times a week and eat healthily but damned if I don't toss and turn for a full hour or more if I don't take tylonal PM. I've even tried taking ambien two times with no luck.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: skatealex2]
#10289740 - 05/05/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are many different reasons people have sleep problems. Medicine may work for one person but not another because everyone is different. What you need to do is to learn more about your specific sleeping problem. Do you have trouble falling asleep? Do you have trouble staying asleep? Do you have racy thoughts before sleep? Do you wake up groggy even after a good sleep? I could go on.
All my life I have suffered from bad insomnia. A year back I went through an 8 month period where I could not fall asleep. My body and mind was so exhausted, yet my mind just would not shut down. I would try to go to sleep around 2AM when I was tired,and toss and turn all night until the morning.The whole time my mind was racing and bouncing everywhere. if I was lucky,I would get a few hours of sleep, after my mind couldn't take anymore torture. this affected my waking life too. It was making me go insane. No medications were working, and I tried EVERYTHING.
So basically what I am trying to get to is that you gotta find your own method. The best way to doing this is to looking into your personal sleeping problems, find out what type you may have and go from there.you need to find a medicine that works for you. I have a medication for ambien. It is the only medication that works and it STILL only works sometimes. I only take it when I need it. I found out the best thing for me was to play an audio lecture. The less interested I am in the subject the better. even though I still have some sleeping problems, it never be as bad as it was!!! I cannot say I am a DR or anything, but because of my own life-long struggle with insomnia, I learned a great deal about it. There are so many different methods to look into... from herbs and medication do self hypnosis and meditation. If anyone has any questions I will try and help
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: danlennon3]
#10289983 - 05/05/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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light cardio followed by a warm shower and some good stretching will knock you out in no time flat
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Captain Caveman
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: suburbanned]
#10289995 - 05/05/09 12:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Opiates. Nuff said.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: Captain Caveman]
#10290051 - 05/05/09 12:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think tooooooo much and usually sleep best after smoking nice indicas, but I am stopping that. I'm not the worst sleeper- but I think I may have insomnia to some extent because I am always up till really late hours- anywhere between 2am and 6am on a regular basis......
I actually notice that my best sleeps are on the days that I go skateboarding........ maybe I just gotta start exercising daily.... but I love going to sleep under the influence of sleep meds because it is relaxing and much easier....
ambien is awesome but that isn't over the counter and obviously can't be taken regularly
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: deCypher]
#10290171 - 05/05/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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skatealex2 said: melatonin- love this but not sure if it is sexually healthy and I heard it can shrink your balls or something
lolwut
If you have any sources for these assertions I'd love to see 'em; as far as I know the only problem with taking melatonin is that it can screw up your sleep cycle if you take it at the wrong time of day.
You're missing L-tryptophan on your list, too. Personally I never get excessive urination from Valerian root but then again I just take the extract in pill form and have never brewed the tea. Melatonin or Valerian usually does me fine.
L-trytophan metabolizes into serotonin which metabolizes into melatonin. So no, there is not a natural chemical in your brain causing your balls to shrink. Only yellow #5 in mountdew causes balls to shrink!
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: wireless]
#10290187 - 05/05/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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kratom
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TLC
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: blewmeanie]
#10290238 - 05/05/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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An herb I use to help with relaxing and sleeping is Valerian RT, you can find it at any good tea shops, It smells like feet and does tast about the same, so I mix it with a sort of mint like herb blend. Works well, Just mix it as strong as you need.
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Re: Best sleeping medicine's that aren't melatonin or cannabis? [Re: TLC]
#10290280 - 05/05/09 01:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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But, as with most apothecary chest medicines, herbs dont affect those that drink copius amounts of caffeine, regular alcohol consumer, etc....
I was an herbalist for years, but never felt the effect of phu, or valerian. Now Ginseng on the other hand, is my crack, lol.
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