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Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids
    #10287890 - 05/05/09 12:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So I thought I had a brilliant idea this afternoon prepping jar lids. I was feeling lazy and didn't feel like cutting out a bunch of little squares of tyvek and taping them on the lids(I even had the tyvek lol). So I'm thinking why in the hell doesn't anybody just use the tape itself instead of tyvek as a gas exchange filter. What a bunch of dumb bastards, I'm thinking to myself.

Well, I'll tell you why not. When I took my jars out of the pc, I found that the damn tape had melted, opening up my jar holes. Damnit! Now I gotta re do all my jar lids. Oh well, live and learn eh? Fortunately, I had the foil on there good, so my moisture in my rye didn't get screwed up. Now I'll have to pc them all over again in the morning.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: nicechrisman]
    #10287912 - 05/05/09 12:26 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If it melted, you used the plastic tape. You want PAPER tape, which works just fine. I haven't had paper tape not stay where I put it.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #10287925 - 05/05/09 12:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah you need the paper tape. And when it comes out of the pc take the tin foil off right away then put another piece on.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: JMR]
    #10287964 - 05/05/09 12:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wouldn't a second piece over the first lessen the gas exchange quite a bit.

I'm just gonna roll with what I got for now (tyvek taped on with the plastic micropore tape). The plastic tape works fine for taping down tyvek pieces, it stayed put just fine, it just melted a hole through where the hole in the lid was.
Might try that another time though when I'm feeling lazy. Thanks for the feedback.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: nicechrisman]
    #10288181 - 05/05/09 01:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I bought that plastic shit a couple years ago by accident. It's Transpore and not Micropore.....thats the Nexcare brand I think anyway. I used it anyway and it melted like you said so I went back to the store and got some micropore. Thats all I've used since and it works fine. No tyvek or polyfill, just micropore.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: atomic1]
    #10288199 - 05/05/09 01:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I'm still gonna use it to take the tyvek over the holes. It'll work fine for that.

So, I got around to re doing 5 of my qt jar lids, so at least I have a load for in the morning to get started, they I can do the other 5 while those are pcing.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: nicechrisman]
    #10288370 - 05/05/09 02:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Heres how I do my tyvek filters. Some people prefer to put the tyvek over the lid, but I've never had any problems this way.





Much easier than cutting little pieces and taping them to the lids.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: FooMan]
    #10288595 - 05/05/09 04:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The tyvek in that picture, would it be the same material as a dupoint tyvek painters suit?


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Fangaz420]
    #10288688 - 05/05/09 05:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

yea, the 3M micropore paper tape works amazingly.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: RedDevil420]
    #10288752 - 05/05/09 06:46 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

micropore tape wont melt, its not plastic.

Micropore tape should work, a piece on the underside of the hole, a 2nd ontop, then a third after inoculating. Im just not sure how well it will stay put when you inoculate, i would think the bottom peice could come off.

im going to be trying it soon for gas exchange in lids with self healing injection sites.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10289055 - 05/05/09 08:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Every time I use micropore tape it comes off after I take the jars out of the PC, for some reason the steam is messing up the tape. So does anyone know a way around this kind of problem :confused:


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Ganja420Boy]
    #10289085 - 05/05/09 08:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe try a different brand. Its the only thing I've used it for the past few years and havent had any problems. 3M and Nexcare I think are the brands I've had.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: atomic1]
    #10289153 - 05/05/09 09:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I use the 3M micropore tape and it works perfect. After PCing it is really hard to come off it is there. And the reason you want to put a second piece on after pcing is it can get wet and allow contams to get through. Two pieces is hardly enough to stop the gas exchange.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: FooMan]
    #10290054 - 05/05/09 12:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Heres how I do my tyvek filters. Some people prefer to put the tyvek over the lid, but I've never had any problems this way.





Much easier than cutting little pieces and taping them to the lids.



I'm sure it works or you wouldn't post it, but it seems like with this method that even if you taped your inocculation hole, you would still have a path for contams from the other lid hole, across the underside of the metal lid, and into the tyvek inocculation hole under the tape.  Make sense?


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290290 - 05/05/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm sure it works or you wouldn't post it, but it seems like with this method that even if you taped your inocculation hole, you would still have a path for contams from the other lid hole, across the underside of the metal lid, and into the tyvek inocculation hole under the tape.  Make sense?




That doesn't make sense at all. Sounds like you're saying tyvek won't work alone as a filter and that contaminants will go through it unless you put micropore tape over it. Thats not the case at all.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: FooMan]
    #10290313 - 05/05/09 01:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So does that mean you just poke through the tyvek and that's it?  no tape or anything?  I haven't tried tyvek but I assume it would leave a hole.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290325 - 05/05/09 01:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You can rubberband some coffee filters on if it makes ya feel better.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #10290345 - 05/05/09 01:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Apparently coffee filters are useless, like trying to use chicken wire to stop sand.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290356 - 05/05/09 01:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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So does that mean you just poke through the tyvek and that's it?  no tape or anything?  I haven't tried tyvek but I assume it would leave a hole.




You would definitely use micropore over the hole if you were to inoculate through it.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: FooMan]
    #10290382 - 05/05/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Cofee filters are dust covers, nothing more.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: FooMan]
    #10290405 - 05/05/09 01:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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So does that mean you just poke through the tyvek and that's it?  no tape or anything?  I haven't tried tyvek but I assume it would leave a hole.




You would definitely use micropore over the hole if you were to inoculate through it.



Ok, that's what I thought originally, BUT, there would be a gap between your tyvek needle hole and the tape right?  Because the metal lid is in between the two.  Therefore, something could go through the OTHER metal hole, travel across the TOP of the tyvek lid UNDER the metal lid, and go through the tyvek needle hole.  Right?  How would you prevent this?


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290421 - 05/05/09 01:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Its nothin so significant  to worry about. What does it matter since we have already shown that micropore tape is a good barrier on its own?


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #10290465 - 05/05/09 01:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Captain you are missin it man, so I made you an illustration....  The needle makes an obvious hole, and leaves a path for contams, despite the placement of the tape on the inoc. site.



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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290590 - 05/05/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think what captain was trying to say is that you're starting to split hairs. Of course there will be a lil hole for 2 sec. til you can put another piece of tape over it but its inevitable. Thats why he said it was nothing so significant to worry about. However, you can go buy some high temp. silicone and make your own self-sealing injection port. Problem solved.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290621 - 05/05/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I get what you're saying. It's not the injection hole with tape over it, it's the other hole that they can enter though, go between the lid and tyvek, then through the injection hole. Like the drawing.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: nicechrisman]
    #10290644 - 05/05/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I get what you're saying. It's not the injection hole with tape over it, it's the other hole that they can enter though, go between the lid and tyvek, then through the injection hole. Like the drawing.



exactly.  you aren't ACTUALLY putting tape on the tyvek, just on the metal ABOVE the tyvek.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10290698 - 05/05/09 02:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

There's nothing you can do about it.......period. The only thing you can do is avoid it by finding someone that sells the lids with injection ports in them or make your own. Its not that big of a deal. People have had this happen for years and years. Just be careful and as sterile as possible and you'll be fine.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: atomic1]
    #10290944 - 05/05/09 03:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you put the tyvek over the lid, then you can completely seal the opening.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #10290985 - 05/05/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

So what exactly are we debating now? This thread us starting to make me friggin crazy.
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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10291686 - 05/05/09 04:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I get what you're saying. It's not the injection hole with tape over it, it's the other hole that they can enter though, go between the lid and tyvek, then through the injection hole. Like the drawing.



exactly.  you aren't ACTUALLY putting tape on the tyvek, just on the metal ABOVE the tyvek.




No, you are putting the micropore on the hole in the tyvek. The micropore isn't rigid. when you apply the tape it would have a concave shape with the center sticking to and around the hole while the edges would be slightly raised and sticking to the lid. Thanks for the diagram. I had no clue what you were talking about before :tongue: The chances of what you're talking about happening are slim. I've never had that happen to me before and I've done that method more than a few times.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10291739 - 05/05/09 05:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Captain you are missin it man, so I made you an illustration....  The needle makes an obvious hole, and leaves a path for contams, despite the placement of the tape on the inoc. site.








Just put the micropore tape over both holes in the lid when your done,thats what i do.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10292165 - 05/05/09 06:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

tyvek + silicon + gorilla tape = OMGWTFPWN :shocked:


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: xail]
    #10292229 - 05/05/09 06:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You guys are way overthinking this stuff. K.I.S.S.


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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #10292285 - 05/05/09 06:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i put bandaids on my lids because i didn't have micropore tape or tyvek. hasn't failed yet, although next time i'll do it properly...

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Re: Micropore tape instead of tyvek on lids [Re: palidon11]
    #10292829 - 05/05/09 07:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I have read a lot of FooMans posts and I am willing to bet that he has tons of experience. If this method didn't work, he probably wouldn't do it or recommend it. If it really bothers you about the gap, then cut your tyvek so it hangs a little past the ring and around the jar. Then when you go to inoculate, remove the band and lid (leaving just the filter). Inject through that and tape immediately afterwards right on the tyvek securing the hole. Put your lid back on and your golden. I think you are over analyzing, but that just my own opinion


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