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 Re: how can athiests exist?  [Re: mad_cow]
#10285662 - 05/04/09 06:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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It means that identification with one's beliefs is an inferior method for finding truth. Dispassionately welcome any and all criticism; what does not kill your ideologies only makes them stronger.
Punching bricks makes your bones stronger. Go do that.
Only if you substitute faulty beliefs for the bricks. 
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
#10285665 - 05/04/09 06:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said:
Why do that when calcium supplements will do the trick? 
Your bones are like honeycombs, martial artists punch brick to break the cells resulting in a much denser bone. It is much better than calcium supplements.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285675 - 05/04/09 06:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for that little tidbit of information! 
I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't know what to say.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285697 - 05/04/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I already know which side is correct. I am not curious about what makes an atheist tick.
Such iron-clad certainty. Always good to see dogma superior to rationality.
Assumptions, you know what they say about that don't you? I have no dogma and am rational. Try again.
Sums up the thread pretty completely.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
#10285730 - 05/04/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Personalisms such as You three are assholes. are not allowed in P&S.
That sums up the thread.
Edited by deCypher (05/04/09 06:59 PM)
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: johnm214]
#10285773 - 05/04/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well this thread sure got fagged up.
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You want to tear me apart. 
Again with this ego-identification. We seek to tear apart your beliefs and not you.
Indeed. It is amazing how transparently offended people will get at discussion of their ideas.
Why the hell does anyone need to have their beliefs validated anyways? I believe in god and don't pretend I can ever find logical support for such. Who gives a shit. Do you people have a fit if you can't deduce who to love? There's no reason you have to be totally logical, just don't claim shit that ain't so.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: johnm214]
#10285791 - 05/04/09 07:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sure, but you shouldn't come into P&S unless you want to have a logical debate, and you shouldn't react negatively to people here who want just that.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
#10285842 - 05/04/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are no real atheists here. Just a bunch of people bitter about their christian upbringing. All lead by the court jester.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: johnm214]
#10285862 - 05/04/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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mad_cow, please stop. you're clearly taking this personally, and none of us want that. you're also starting to attack us personally, which is not cool. and no, i was raised atheist actually. i've got no axe to grind.
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It is amazing how transparently offended people will get at discussion of their ideas.
Agreed.
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Why the hell does anyone need to have their beliefs validated anyways?
Personally? It's damn good sport. What's more fun than evaluating your worldview? For me, not much.
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I believe in god and don't pretend I can ever find logical support for such. Who gives a shit. Do you people have a fit if you can't deduce who to love? There's no reason you have to be totally logical, just don't claim shit that ain't so.
But things which are logical are so, and things which ain't logical ain't so. That's the distinction. Logic lets us know what's real and what isn't. At least that's how I define my world.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285874 - 05/04/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, then at 14 I realized that since I only believed in God "just in case", I don't actually believe in him.
Then I asked myself and the rest of the world, "WTF is God?  ", and I never receive the same answer.
I am neither a theist, atheist, or whatever, I just simply am. 
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
#10285881 - 05/04/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sure, but you shouldn't come into P&S unless you want to have a logical debate, and you shouldn't react negatively to people here who want just that.
Yeah, like i said, I agree with decypher's amazement at how personal people take shit and how silly it is to want validation of your belief in god when it should be plain its totally unaproachable.
I mean who is getting that pissed off because someone doesn't think like they do and tells them so? Wholly shit, what an outrage. My world is collapsing cuz someone doesn't think like me.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
#10285884 - 05/04/09 07:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: johnm214]
#10285889 - 05/04/09 07:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I love making others feel cognitively dissonant! 
....but it doesn't feel so good when others make me feel that way...
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285895 - 05/04/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
If you ACTIVELY REFUSE TO USE RATIONALITY to back up your points, you have no right to be surprised when someone calls them irrational.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285897 - 05/04/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
Many possible ways, however, you're the only person here who knows for a fact how you feel about having your beliefs criticized.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285899 - 05/04/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: johnm214]
#10285912 - 05/04/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, like i said, I agree with decypher's amazement at how personal people take shit and how silly it is to want validation of your belief in god when it should be plain its totally unaproachable.
I don't care about the beliefs. It's having my beliefs called delusional and irrational that is the problem. Being ganged up on by 4-5 people doesn't help. There were a lot of other insinuations about what it means if I don't submit to this crap. It is a big problem if I don't lay all my personal shit on the forum for the whole world to see. I won't mention God ever again. I hope that will satisfy you.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
#10285920 - 05/04/09 07:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
If you ACTIVELY REFUSE TO USE RATIONALITY to back up your points, you have no right to be surprised when someone calls them irrational.
I said it is from things that have happened to me. How can you call that irrational?
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
#10285924 - 05/04/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
It doesn't say I can't be pissed off about it.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10285936 - 05/04/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How could having my beliefs called delusional and irrational possibly offend me?
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
It doesn't say I can't be pissed off about it.
Well, you can be pissed off, elated, or downright furious about it. You just can't insult other members within this forum according to the rules. (Although feel free to slam their ideas all you want.)
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