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 Re: how can athiests exist?  [Re: Poid]
#10284255 - 05/04/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So is your imagination nonexistant?
Right.
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You have to feed real dogs real food, and dream dogs dream food. The dream dog is real, nonetheless, because it exists.
I never feed my dream dogs, I hope they are ok.
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God exists as this vague phenomenon that apparently nobody can define, and nothing more.
You can believe as you wish. I don't care.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284259 - 05/04/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, you guys are making some great progress here. 
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284260 - 05/04/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, acknowledging all that, mad_cow, you still are of the opinion that god is real, and not just a real idea?
EDIT: I mean obviously that little exchange didn't shake your faith, but what criteria are you using to differentiate god from being just an idea?
Edited by laserpig (05/04/09 03:07 PM)
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284264 - 05/04/09 03:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not necessarily. God and other imaginary characters exist as thought forms; those thought forms are real in and of themselves, but they may not exist beyond one's imagination.
Eric Cartman is real, but he's not an actual human being.
Yes Poid, Eric Cartman God is a real cartoon imaginary character, but not a real person. The easter bunny
God is a real thought form not a real bunny thing. Write that down.
Why did you avoid answering my question: 'WTF is God?  '
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284288 - 05/04/09 03:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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mad_cow said:
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So is your imagination nonexistant?
Right.
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You have to feed real dogs real food, and dream dogs dream food. The dream dog is real, nonetheless, because it exists.
I never feed my dream dogs, I hope they are ok.
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God exists as this vague phenomenon that apparently nobody can define, and nothing more.
You can believe as you wish. I don't care.
Wow, you think your imagination is nonexistent. 
"I never feed my dream dogs, I hope they are ok."
"You can believe as you wish. I don't care."
This is a debate forum, I have no clue why you are coming in here with that kind of attitude. 
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
#10284293 - 05/04/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, acknowledging all that, mad_cow, you still are of the opinion that god is real, and not just a real idea?
EDIT: I mean obviously that little exchange didn't shake your faith, but what criteria are you using to differentiate god from being just an idea?
I stated that I believe in higher beings, because of things that have happened to me. I know they are not God. I have no direct evidence that there is a God. I believe that there is a God. I think it is like a cosmic consciousness or un-manifest field type of thing.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284300 - 05/04/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, I have evidence of higher beings. I do not have evidence all the way up to God. I also have evidence that I would much rather study the higher beings than atheism.
Fair enough. Just pointing out that this is a far cry from 'knowing' whether atheists or theists are correct.
And BTW you are correct in that I can't prove my own existence to you, but I do not need to for it is self-evident to the only person for whom it matters: myself. 
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
#10284310 - 05/04/09 03:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mad_Cow I think you maybe need a better definition of belief. A belief is something that you hold to be true (definite), how can you say god is definite?
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: deCypher]
#10284331 - 05/04/09 03:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't say God is definite.
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Ok, I have evidence of higher beings. I do not have evidence all the way up to God. I also have evidence that I would much rather study the higher beings than atheism.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284332 - 05/04/09 03:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I stated that I believe in higher beings, because of things that have happened to me. I know they are not God. I have no direct evidence that there is a God. I believe that there is a God. I think it is like a cosmic consciousness or un-manifest field type of thing.
If you can't define your claim then you aren't really claiming anything at all.
Poid's right -- this is a debate forum. Coming in here with the attitude of "I'm right about something I can't define for reasons I refuse to explain" is an absolute waste of everyone's time.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284341 - 05/04/09 03:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't say God is definite.
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Ok, I have evidence of higher beings. I do not have evidence all the way up to God. I also have evidence that I would much rather study the higher beings than atheism.
So you don't believe in him, you are suspicious that he might exist. As I said i think you got your definitions muddled.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
#10284348 - 05/04/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why did you avoid answering my question: 'WTF is God? '
Sorry.
God is an overused phrase for the highest level of consciousness.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284370 - 05/04/09 03:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So people who are more self-conscious are closer to God? 
What if every single living being in the universe was dead? Technically, there would be no consciousness to speak of, so according to your definition, there would be no God. Does God's existence rally depend on the existence of sentient beings?
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Grapefruit]
#10284383 - 05/04/09 03:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't say God is definite.
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Ok, I have evidence of higher beings. I do not have evidence all the way up to God. I also have evidence that I would much rather study the higher beings than atheism.
So you don't believe in him, you are suspicious that he might exist. As I said i think you got your definitions muddled.
I said the atheists are incorrect, I suppose this may be an incorrect statement. I am more of an I don't fucking care. I don't want to study atheism or religion. That is where this started, when MM said I should know both sides of the argument.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: Poid]
#10284392 - 05/04/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said:
So people who are more self-conscious are closer to God?
What if every single living being in the universe was dead? Technically, there would be no consciousness to speak of, so according to your definition, there would be no God. Does God's existence rally depend on the existence of sentient beings?
That is making the assumption that all consciousness is in living beings.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284420 - 05/04/09 03:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is making the assumption that all consciousness is in living beings.
An assumption I would LOVE to see you discredit.
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284427 - 05/04/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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mad_cow said:
I don't want to study atheism or religion.
There really isn't much to study about atheism...
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mad_cow said:
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So people who are more self-conscious are closer to God?
What if every single living being in the universe was dead? Technically, there would be no consciousness to speak of, so according to your definition, there would be no God. Does God's existence rally depend on the existence of sentient beings?
That is making the assumption that all consciousness is in living beings.
Where else could it be? Half Dome?
Are you asserting that consciousness can be attributed to inanimate objects?
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
#10284459 - 05/04/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Laserpig said:
If you can't define your claim then you aren't really claiming anything at all.
I don't claim to be claiming anything.
Edited by mad_cow (05/04/09 03:40 PM)
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: mad_cow]
#10284480 - 05/04/09 03:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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What the hell, I didn't say that! 
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Re: how can athiests exist? [Re: laserpig]
#10284482 - 05/04/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is making the assumption that all consciousness is in living beings.
An assumption I would LOVE to see you discredit.
The burden of proof lies on Poid.
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