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Re: wikidzons [Re: PhantomPoop]
    #10304841 - 05/07/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

if im correct a print would waste it all... it would reset the genetic code or what ever you call it. everything would be random again. you would have to do clones to keep the amazing genetics going, you would have to make an lc to make syringes. and you couldnt mail or sell them since they are alive, thatd be illegal. it would be for people you know and they would have to give them to people they know and trust. but problem with that is some one would be stupid enough to mail it or brag about it- get busted- rat out the friend who gave it up and so on...


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Re: wikidzons [Re: oh_you_know]
    #10304955 - 05/07/09 09:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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totally understandable my man, as  long as you promise to crank out some detailed grow logs on those isolates! BTW, I just harvested a long awaited PE flush today with amazing results, its from an LC clone, im going to do some cloning tonight.. planning on cloning a few from a monster cluster of growth, on of those monster side fruits and a few others.. any suggestion?



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if im correct a print would waste it all... it would reset the genetic code or what ever you call it. everything would be random again. you would have to do clones to keep the amazing genetics going, you would have to make an lc to make syringes. and you couldnt mail or sell them since they are alive, thatd be illegal. it would be for people you know and they would have to give them to people they know and trust. but problem with that is some one would be stupid enough to mail it or brag about it- get busted- rat out the friend who gave it up and so on...





Thats somewhat true, when you go back to spores its not quite back at the beginning, some of the traits will cary over but there will be a mix of ginetics so.

cloning is one way, but theres only so far you can go before running into scenescence.

Culture storage is the key to keeping a strain. usualy in culture slants and master culture jars.


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Re: wikidzons [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10304978 - 05/07/09 09:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Whats scenescence?  And how long do Culture slants and masters last before expiring?


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Re: wikidzons [Re: PhantomPoop]
    #10304990 - 05/07/09 09:17 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

use the search function for that, there are plenty of threads about that.


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Re: wikidzons [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10305140 - 05/07/09 09:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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totally understandable my man, as  long as you promise to crank out some detailed grow logs on those isolates! BTW, I just harvested a long awaited PE flush today with amazing results, its from an LC clone, im going to do some cloning tonight.. planning on cloning a few from a monster cluster of growth, on of those monster side fruits and a few others.. any suggestion?



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oh_you_know said:
if im correct a print would waste it all... it would reset the genetic code or what ever you call it. everything would be random again. you would have to do clones to keep the amazing genetics going, you would have to make an lc to make syringes. and you couldnt mail or sell them since they are alive, thatd be illegal. it would be for people you know and they would have to give them to people they know and trust. but problem with that is some one would be stupid enough to mail it or brag about it- get busted- rat out the friend who gave it up and so on...





Thats somewhat true, when you go back to spores its not quite back at the beginning, some of the traits will cary over but there will be a mix of ginetics so.

cloning is one way, but theres only so far you can go before running into scenescence.

Culture storage is the key to keeping a strain. usualy in culture slants and master culture jars.





thanks veda, i couldn't have said it any better.

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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10305899 - 05/08/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I feel bad this site didn't get to see this from the beginning, and even worse the first 2 years has been deleted, not BY ME, but from another site.

Its a shame, it was a lot of work, while i have all of the pictures still, the texts are gone, and the questions, answers, and ideas/suggestions/brainstorms the conversations exploded into, that helped me along, as well as others, it's all lost.

BUT, so long as i am not banned, haha, i'll start posting the rest right here in this very thread, so it's gonna be SERIOUSLY image heavy, and seriously long.

I'll start come sunday, updating whats going on now, and whats going to happen in the near future.

I've used "FastBlast" additive from fungifarmer with most of these grows from wedge/lc of isolate, and it's DOING everything it promised.

I just harvested about 14 dry oz's, and 2 days later, another flush is almost mature, fastblast promises that no matter the strain, it will increase yields by having "no discernable flushes" just straight out fruiting, and that's just great by me, coz it's wonderful looking, and makes it easier to plan ahead.

I have some more on the fire also, My pensacoloa wild isolate, is about to be set out to fruit, my APE isolate, is about to be set out to fruit.

I'll start both those threads this weekend as well.



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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10306759 - 05/08/09 05:43 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Wow! that was a long read but worth every min glad to hear you back great work gave me goose bumps readying that got to love it will be keeping up with you if you do pass it on or do anything would love to be involved with all the and would keep it flying

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Re: wikidzons [Re: PhantomPoop]
    #10306892 - 05/08/09 07:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Whats scenescence?  And how long do Culture slants and masters last before expiring?





senescence is the degradation of genetic code, or, more lamen, the death of something, "going into death"

marijuana should reach senescence before harvesting, and trichomes go cloudy/amber. lol.

now, culture slants/master at the right temp/conditions are INDEFINITE, meaning, forever.

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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10306942 - 05/08/09 07:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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PhantomPoop said:
Whats scenescence?  And how long do Culture slants and masters last before expiring?





senescence is the degradation of genetic code, or, more lamen, the death of something, "going into death"

marijuana should reach senescence before harvesting, and trichomes go cloudy/amber. lol.

now, culture slants/master at the right temp/conditions are INDEFINITE, meaning, forever.




yup thats it. Theres only so long mycelial cell lines can divide and grow before it slows down performs becomes poor, lots of mutation pop up and becomes more contaminat prone, or it just doesnt frruit.


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Re: wikidzons [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10313528 - 05/09/09 04:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i cant wait til you post all the older stuff. im interested in the fastblast thing. im gonnna look it up now


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Re: wikidzons [Re: oh_you_know]
    #10317473 - 05/10/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yea how well does the fast blast contribute to flushes/colonization time? Im ordering some monday.. any Idea what its made of? denatured lipids and proteins maybe?


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Re: wikidzons [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10318781 - 05/10/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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yea how well does the fast blast contribute to flushes/colonization time? Im ordering some monday.. any Idea what its made of? denatured lipids and proteins maybe?





well, it's made up of lots of organic things, and i can't really divulge that, i am in research and development, drjugglz is also, only he's a biz partner, and "fungifarmer" well, he's the other biz partner, and the alchemist that put "fastblast" together, and i can't divulge it's contents at his wish.

Fuck, the Col. don't give you the secret recipe to his chicken now does he????

Bush beans dog don't give you the Bush family recipe for beans does he???

didn't think so, so don't ask!

hahah...

fuck plankton STILL tries to get Mr.Krabs formula for the KrabbyPatty EVERY episode!!!!

anyhow, how does it contribute to flushes and colonization times???

edited* sorry

every person that beta tested it had this to say, NOT ONE PERSON deviated from this:


1. Flushes were undetectable, the substrate continued flushing as if it would never quit.

2. Full CONSOLIDATED colonization in 4 days TOPS!

3. Yield up by 80%

4. Grows went from 60 days long to 45 with triple the bioeffeciency if not  quintripled.


that is from my lab notes taken by 5 beta users.
not including my results, drjugglz resuts, and dockrats results, nor wikids results.

so if 10/10 growers report the same thing, what makes you think you'd report differently????


I REALLLLLLY suggest that if you are a coir grower, you get this additive.

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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10318921 - 05/10/09 08:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I REALLLLLLY suggest that if you are a coir grower, you get this additive.



thats funny cause in a post i made i said i would be using coir and was thinking about getting fast blast and
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your best bet would be to weigh a bucket, then weigh your sub in the bucket to get the weight. Just my opinion (you can tell me to go to hell) but coir/coffee works fine without fast blast. I wouldn't bother, just my two pennies



sillycibe-what is your input on this?


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Re: wikidzons [Re: oh_you_know]
    #10319047 - 05/10/09 08:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hey sillycibe, would fast blast work with PF tek?


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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10319086 - 05/10/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

lol I think you misunderstood the nature of my post.. I had no idea you were involved w the product in any way and in no way was doubting the validity of the product esp seeing as how I stated I was ordering some first thing Monday. Not sure where you got that from, since I have done nothing but show gratitude and praise for your work silly :tongue:

I was just interested in the product from a scientific point of view. I am a Bio major so my nature is to be inquisitive, not to doubt but to understand.. I saw your comparison test on fruiting times and made me incredibly interested, so to say I trust your research would be.

Are the same effects achieved in other mycological species? Im very interested in testing it on my current obsession, the Black Perigord Truffle and its effects on mycorrhization rates. I make my own version of Spawn Mate also, ever tried it out? I bet they would have a great synergistic effect when used together..


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Re: wikidzons [Re: oh_you_know]
    #10319110 - 05/10/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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sillycibe said:
I REALLLLLLY suggest that if you are a coir grower, you get this additive.



thats funny cause in a post i made i said i would be using coir and was thinking about getting fast blast and
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your best bet would be to weigh a bucket, then weigh your sub in the bucket to get the weight. Just my opinion (you can tell me to go to hell) but coir/coffee works fine without fast blast. I wouldn't bother, just my two pennies



sillycibe-what is your input on this?




my input on that is, has he used it???? beans has not ordered it, so how does he know? he doesn't know anything about it right? Well, i've used it, and I have NOT ONE BIT Of commercial interest in their business, which means i make NO money, I simply research and use what they have developed, so people like you don't order something that doesn't work,  I am just saying i know what it is, i've used it, and I prefer three things, faster colonization, shorter spawn run time, and not being able to differentiate flushes because there is none, it just puts out fruit until the substrate is spent, so instead of waiting 30, 60, or even 90 days for your 10th flush, you're getting your entire harvest in less then 45 days. And starting over already, and yielding 3x's if not more, then without it.

I suggest using it. You already thought about it, so go with your gut,
coir with coffee is a crapshoot, it either works, or it doesn't, and quite honestly, I see NO benefit in coffee, most of the time it causes coir to go green in two flushes because of the high amount of (N). You want a good bit of nitrogen, but too much makes it go acidic, and adding "lime" will only help, if it's ALREADY gone acidic, lime basifies it afterwards, and that means it's too late, you're already green, and the damage is already done.

You've heard my input, now make your own decision, I agree with your first decision, order it, but hey, do or don't makes no difference to me.

I'd almost send Bean some for free, just to get him to do a side by side compare, but then again, could we trust him to HONESTLY actually use it?

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Hey sillycibe, would fast blast work with PF tek?




It most certainly will!!!

I suggest, however you mix it up, to mix up enough for 10 pftek cakes, and add 3 table spoons, mix THORoughly!

then load jars, pc as usual, inoculate as usual, grow as usual.

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lol I think you misunderstood the nature of my post.. I had no idea you were involved w the product in any way and in no way was doubting the validity of the product esp seeing as how I stated I was ordering some first thing Monday. Not sure where you got that from, since I have done nothing but show gratitude and praise for your work silly :tongue:

I was just interested in the product from a scientific point of view. I am a Bio major so my nature is to be inquisitive, not to doubt but to understand.. I saw your comparison test on fruiting times and made me incredibly interested, so to say I trust your research would be.

Are the same effects achieved in other mycological species? Im very interested in testing it on my current obsession, the Black Perigord Truffle and its effects on mycorrhization rates. I make my own version of Spawn Mate also, ever tried it out? I bet they would have a great synergistic effect when used together..






Koopa i really apologize i did NOT mean to come off harsh so please forgive me ok?

I have no VESTED interest in either the business that created the product, nor the product itself, I simply do R&D, but when i find something extraordinary, I'll sing about it in the streets so to speak.

Yes it most certainly WOULD work with agaricus, and many other species.

It's interesting you bring up spawnmate, spawnmate won't allow their product to get into just anyones hands, especially cubensis growers,

I know that fastblast promises the same things as Amycels spawnmate line, and I do believe ProMycel Gold was somewhat of an inspiration.

You'll find that's not what fastblast is though, because Spawnmate is somewhat hazardous, and would require a MSDS sheet, and biohazard sticker/mailing, due to levels of formaldehyde that are considered "unsafe".

Fast blast is not rapeseed either. (i know i've said it's organic)

but, you're on to the right track of where the conception of FastBlast came from.

As far as  mycorrhization rates, this product, when introduced to ANY fungus, will not only work with mushrooms that depend upon roots, but it will help the plant take in more nutrients.

Have you heard of Menefee Humate?
I would think Menefee Humate would interest you as well.

anyhow

As i said, i can't really tell you what the formulation is. I didn't mix it up, and I can't go against my word to dockrat, but it's not simple stuff, it's good stuff.

I'd be interested to know what your "home made" spawnmate consists of.. RapeSeed??? (canola)


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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10319842 - 05/10/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hey sillycibe you know if this product would be of use to someone who has prepared rye grain and is going to spawn it bulk to poo and straw outside? We're talking about large patches with around 20 jars used for spawn for each. Would the amounts of bulk sub needed make it impossible to distribute the fastblast evenly?


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Re: wikidzons [Re: P2K1]
    #10320054 - 05/10/09 11:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey sillycibe you know if this product would be of use to someone who has prepared rye grain and is going to spawn it bulk to poo and straw outside? We're talking about large patches with around 20 jars used for spawn for each. Would the amounts of bulk sub needed make it impossible to distribute the fastblast evenly?




I have an outdoor patch going AS we speak spawned with 250 quarts, 10 bales of coastal straw, and 50lbs of equine manure, also 5lbs of FastBlast. It is instructed to ADD THE FASTBLAST AT PASTEURIZATON,  It's going great and has produced prolifically. I have pics of it on shroomotopia, and soon will be posting the pics here, as I"ve rebuilt the patch, and it's moved, and i hvaen't posted the new one over there, i'll only post it HERE< hahah,

i'll be posting that later.

but yes, you'd be doing your self a service by adding in about 2lbs.
I would suggest pasteurizing enough coir, to cover your patch lightly in just coir, but also add 2lbs of FastBlast to the pasteurizing water, so that it soaks into, (permeates) the coir, the myc will rip right through the coir, and take advantage of the FastBlast, and it may also act as a "casing layer" and bring a more even flush out of your outdoor bed, IF YOU've already layed your bed that is, IF YOU HAVEN"T laid your bed yet, then add your 2lbs at pasteurization, so it "homogenizes" into the subs, therefore it will be EVEN.

Mines doing awesome, pulled a few 1 footers off it yesterday.
My outdoor bed is about 8 yards long, 2 yards width, and depth about 8 inches. I'll put up pics n another thread and link it here.


But yes, it works, in outdoor/indoor both, with cubensis, and even coplandia cyanescen, it works with agaricus, i've tried it with portabello, works great, i've tried it with enoki and oyster with straw, works great.

I find though, i get a few more aborts with strains of cubensis like wikidzons, penis envy, and albino penis envy, only strains i get more aborts then normal.


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Re: wikidzons [Re: sillycibe]
    #10320111 - 05/10/09 11:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm Im going to be probably making atleast 10 beds and I wasnt planning on doing any pasteurizing whatsoever (Rodger Rabbits advice. Any idea if it can be mixed in without pasteurization? Wouldnt want to kickstart contams.


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    #10320716 - 05/11/09 03:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Hmmm Im going to be probably making atleast 10 beds and I wasnt planning on doing any pasteurizing whatsoever (Rodger Rabbits advice. Any idea if it can be mixed in without pasteurization? Wouldnt want to kickstart contams.




That question I couldn't actually answer then, I incorporate pasteurized coir into my outdoor beds, however, all of the straw and manure goes without pasteurizing. I don't follow others people advice though very often hahaha. So i'd say blaze your own trail, don't follow anothers, coz if you follow someone elses trail, you're not doing anything new, while it's "safer" to go into the known, i prefer drudging into the unknown.

Try a small patch first, before investing it into all of your patches, but, when you're outdoors, contams aren't really a worry. There isn't all the contam's you see when growing indoors, outdoors worst you have to worry about is verticillium from the soil, slugs, and young punks stealing your caps.

seriously, outdoors that's about the worst of your worries, Vert, slugs, and theft.
vert lives in all soil so u know.

OH and i incorporate pasteurized coir loaded with fastblast, not only as a vessel for the fastblast, but even before I ever USED fastblast, i used the coir to jumpstart the bed spreading to the unpasteurized straw and manure i put in with it, it really helped speed the bed up, I am getting fruits 4 weeks after setting the bed up initially. Also, when i take trash from my indoor grow out to the bed, i use the coir to also "jumpstart" the trash growing into the bed as well. It also makes a good filler, and pasteurized coir dumped in a outdoor bed will fully colonize damn near over night.

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