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obamas' supreme dis-appointment...
    #10270903 - 05/01/09 09:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i dont know about you..but i have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that obama will nominate a blue dog to replace souter on the SCOTUS...the current front runner is US solicitor general elena kagan..who is basically john yoo in a skirt...if its not her..then you can still tell its a blue dog if the senate repugs dont throw a sissyfit...

in all fairness to obama.. i can understand why he would pick a conservative..given the precarious politics of the 2010 midterm elections...but this does not by any means justify such an action either.. and if obama does nominate kagan or some other blue dog.. then i might very well stay home or waste my vote in 2012...


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #10271188 - 05/01/09 11:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

There he goes again trying to be bipartisan.  Interstingly, a CBS Poll shows that 81 percent of Americans think the president is trying for bipartisanship.  Yet the right still hates him, and the left isn't too happy about it either.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10271651 - 05/02/09 01:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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There he goes again trying to be bipartisan.  Interstingly, a CBS Poll shows that 81 percent of Americans think the president is trying for bipartisanship.  Yet the right still hates him, and the left isn't too happy about it either.




He really should stop that shit.  The right isn't interested, so why bother?


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #10272036 - 05/02/09 06:12 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

There isn't the tiniest hope in hell that The Won will nominate anyone who isn't even further left-leaning than the most liberal of the current Gang of Nine.






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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Phred]
    #10272057 - 05/02/09 06:24 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Certainly are good aspect about that though phred, you'd have to admit.



At least we'll maintain our present definition of "reasonable" and other protections of the bill of rights.




Many conservative judges haven't done to well on that front.  I could deal with it if they had saving graces regarding other matters, but often they don't.


The supreme court was the one good thing about obama's win that I'm pretty sure of.

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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: johnm214]
    #10272101 - 05/02/09 06:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Don't worry, Obama won't throw in a Liberal or a Conservative, I guarantee they will be Neoconservative.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Phred]
    #10272893 - 05/02/09 11:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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There isn't the tiniest hope in hell that The Won will nominate anyone who isn't even further left-leaning than the most liberal of the current Gang of Nine.





Well, did you expect to get a conservative?


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: TGRR]
    #10273927 - 05/02/09 03:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe hill-billy will accept the nomination? But no, she has been promised the presidency and won't settle for anything less.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #10275663 - 05/02/09 10:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe hill-billy will accept the nomination? But no, she has been promised the presidency and won't settle for anything less.





Was she even offered the nomination?


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: TGRR]
    #10275749 - 05/02/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

She's not a Liberal guys...

She's a Neoconservative.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #10275775 - 05/02/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

the single most important issue for any new justice is their stance on the 2nd amendment, and interest in protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law.

but its obama choosing, so i'm not too hopeful.
itll be some anti gun nut who supports full use of govt force for tax resisters and the like


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #10275891 - 05/02/09 11:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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the single most important issue for any new justice is their stance on the 2nd amendment, and interest in protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law.





Actually, I'm a little more demanding.  I'd rather they supported the entire constitution.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #10275929 - 05/02/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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the single most important issue for any new justice is their stance on the 2nd amendment, and interest in protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law.

but its obama choosing, so i'm not too hopeful.
itll be some anti gun nut who supports full use of govt force for tax resisters and the like



I don't get people's fear of having their guns taken away by Obama.  Could you please post a link of anything he's said that justifies your fear???

As for "protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law", the US is not bound by any international law it hasn't signed up to, and if it has signed up to anything then article VI of the constitution makes it clear that
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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and ALL TREATIES MADE, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND



Sorry  :shrug:


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10275951 - 05/02/09 11:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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the single most important issue for any new justice is their stance on the 2nd amendment, and interest in protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law.

but its obama choosing, so i'm not too hopeful.
itll be some anti gun nut who supports full use of govt force for tax resisters and the like



I don't get people's fear of having their guns taken away by Obama.  Could you please post a link of anything he's said that justifies your fear???

As for "protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law", the US is not bound by any international law it hasn't signed up to, and if it has signed up to anything then article VI of the constitution makes it clear that
Quote:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and ALL TREATIES MADE, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, SHALL BE THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND



Sorry  :shrug:




You have to remember that most of these newly-minted "constitutionalists" have never read the damn thing.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: TGRR]
    #10275972 - 05/02/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I hope he appoints Oprah.


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Re: obamas' supreme dis-appointment... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10276022 - 05/02/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't get people's fear of having their guns taken away by Obama.  Could you please post a link of anything he's said that justifies your fear???




I love how the right makes shit up about what Obama is going to do, and then scare themselves with it.

(I've pointed that out so many times that it's now my signature.)  :grin:


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    #10276040 - 05/02/09 11:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I love how the right makes shit up about what Obama is going to do, and then scare themselves with it.





That's actually been the funniest part of watching the right implode, come to think of it.


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    #10276190 - 05/03/09 12:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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That's actually been the funniest part of watching the right implode, come to think of it.






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    #10276256 - 05/03/09 12:38 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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the single most important issue for any new justice is their stance on the 2nd amendment, and interest in protecting american sovereignty over subjection to international law.

but its obama choosing, so i'm not too hopeful.
itll be some anti gun nut who supports full use of govt force for tax resisters and the like



I don't get people's fear of having their guns taken away by Obama.  Could you please post a link of anything he's said that justifies your fear???







What are you talking about?



What does "fear of having their guns taken away by obama" have to do with "most important issue...is...the 2nd amendment.....its obama choosing so i'm not too hopeful"





Are you denying that obama's likely appointees would limit the second amendemnt and find bans like DC or Chicago's acceptable in some cases?



The liberal justices did just that in DC v Heller.



Obama has repeatedly said he would ban assault weapons, handguns (then withdrew that and claims he won't ban all handgus), and all sorts of things.



Frankly, its hard for me to understand how anyone can support the federal assault weapon ban on rational grounds unless they think banning any gun is good.


It just makes so little sense its hard to understand.

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    #10276279 - 05/03/09 12:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Frankly, its hard for me to understand how anyone can support the federal assault weapon ban on rational grounds unless they think banning any gun is good.

It just makes so little sense its hard to understand.



Hey man, I'm with you!  No arms should be banned up through and including nuclear arms.  If I have the money, fuck government telling me I can't have 'em.  Arms are protected by the 2nd amendment.


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