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OfflineChuangTzu
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Re: Anthrophogenic Global Warming - Fact or Fiction? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10270359 - 05/01/09 07:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Agreed.
But given the potential damage if it's true- fucking up our one and only planet- it seems like being careful is a good idea. Whether it's true or not, since we won't find out until too late.





What about the potential for damage of fucking up our economy for no reason?  And don't fall into the trap of thinking it's only bankers and CEOs who would feel the hurt--they're the ones who will make more money when the government starts forcing you to pay more money for their products based on some intellectual property that is only necessary because it meets a government standard...

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Re: Anthrophogenic Global Warming - Fact or Fiction? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #10270494 - 05/01/09 08:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

We can make more money.
We can't make another planet.
The risks are not equal.


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Re: Anthrophogenic Global Warming - Fact or Fiction? [Re: Doc_T]
    #10270675 - 05/01/09 08:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The roots of economics aren't about money, they're about you eating, your kids having an education, the general population not having a life expectancy of 40 due to the 50/50 chance of dying from a horrible yet easily treatable illness, etc...  It's these kinds things which drive people to seek out and exchange money, not the money itself.  Putting unnecessary chokes on the economy reduces our ability to achieve those things because time, resources/energy, and people are diverted from producing goods and services to meeting some arbitrary governmental bullcrap.  It's only the people who happen to be in a position to take advantage of the bullcrap who benefit.  For example, if tomorrow the government passed a law that said "everyone in the US can only use 10 gallons of gasoline per year," (and had the means of enforcing that) the economy would grind to a halt and millions of people would die in some short time span.  Yet owners of solar power companies (and Al Gore, etc.) would become god-like...

The point is that every regulation which is made in the name of curbing CO2 emissions has a very real and tangible negative effect immediately.  And like I said in  my first post, I'm not just talking about profits, I'm talking about the standards of living and livelihoods of every person.  These immediate, tangible, and real effects must be balanced against the possibility of some scenario that we may or may not be causing, may or may not even be happening, may or may not ever have any negative effects, and which we may or may not be able to do jack shit about...

Every second in your life you make a cost/benefit analysis and act on it.  You don't stay inside all day because going outside could give you cancer, you could get struck by lightening, hit by a car, shot in an armed robbery, bombed by terrorists, bit by a bug which you're allergic to, yadda yadda.  You act as though you can't see the forest for the trees.

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Re: Anthrophogenic Global Warming - Fact or Fiction? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #10270695 - 05/01/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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The point is that every regulation which is made in the name of curbing CO2 emissions has a very real and tangible negative effect immediately.




This is because policies like requiring companies to use scrubbers, or buying carbon credits is totally the WRONG way to go about it.

The policies need to be changed to stimulate growth in efficiency, conservation, and transition to renewables.

It doesn't have to be harmful to the economy. If it is, its the wrong policy.


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