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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Silversoul]
    #11793750 - 01/09/10 12:15 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

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Silversoul said:
"But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian's daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest?" -- Mark Twain




:strokebeard: never thought of that.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: learningtofly]
    #11794408 - 01/09/10 04:46 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

Which text does that Twain quote come from?


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11794482 - 01/09/10 05:58 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

"One has to accept pain as a condition of existence. One has to court doubt and darkness as the cost of knowing. One needs a will stubborn in conflict, but apt always to the total acceptance of every consequence of living and dying."


Morris West


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11794486 - 01/09/10 06:00 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

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Lakefingers said:
Which text does that Twain quote come from?





"The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice."

Mark Twain

"There are times when one would like to hang the whole human race, and finish the farce."

Mark Twain


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11795069 - 01/09/10 09:52 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

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Lakefingers said:
Which text does that Twain quote come from?



I believe it's from his autobiography.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Silversoul]
    #11795131 - 01/09/10 10:04 AM (14 years, 22 days ago)

I want to read that. He's a very interesting figure. I relish that no one knows whether to place him in with popular literature or fine literature. :thumbup:


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11796270 - 01/09/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

I look upon the history of men, which I have learned from the books, and I wonder. It was a long story, and the spirit which moved it was the spirit of man\'s freedom. But what is freedom? Freedom from what? There is nothing to take a man\'s freedom away from him, save other men. To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. That and nothing else.-- Ayn Rand


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11796305 - 01/09/10 01:47 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

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RationalEgo said:
I look upon the history of men, which I have learned from the books, and I wonder. It was a long story, and the spirit which moved it was the spirit of man\'s freedom. But what is freedom? Freedom from what? There is nothing to take a man\'s freedom away from him, save other men. To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. That and nothing else.-- Ayn Rand




One could argue that one's own desires could also imprison the self.  Addiction would the paramount example of this.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: Freedom]
    #11796313 - 01/09/10 01:49 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

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Freedom said:
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Investigate the various repugnant aspects of the body, beginning with the fact that the body is a conglomeration of all sorts of things. In other words, it's a burial ground, a national cemetery, filled with the corpses of cattle, pigs, ducks, chickens, sour, sweet, greasy, salty, gathered and aged in the stomach, filtered and distilled into blood, pus, decomposing and putrid, oozing throughout the body and coming out its various openings: this body, which all of us in the human race care for without ceasing — bathing it, scrubbing it, masking its smell — and even then its filth keeps displaying itself as ear wax, eye secretions, nasal drip, tooth tartar, skin-scruff and sweat, always oozing out, filthy in every way. What it comes from is filthy, where it stays is filthy (i.e., in a cemetery of fresh corpses, or even worse — we've probably buried hundreds of different kinds of corpses within ourselves).

        ----- From Frames of Reference by Ajaan Lee Dhammadharo









:thumbup:


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: deCypher]
    #11796892 - 01/09/10 03:23 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

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RationalEgo said:
I look upon the history of men, which I have learned from the books, and I wonder. It was a long story, and the spirit which moved it was the spirit of man\'s freedom. But what is freedom? Freedom from what? There is nothing to take a man\'s freedom away from him, save other men. To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. That and nothing else.-- Ayn Rand




One could argue that one's own desires could also imprison the self.  Addiction would the paramount example of this.




What the hell does that have to do with freedom? You should be free to kill yourself if you want, its your choice.

Ask yourself this question: Is heroin addiction in ones own rational long term self-interest?



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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11796901 - 01/09/10 03:24 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

No, but this does not invalidate my point that my freedom can be taken away by my own choices and desires and NOT solely by other men.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: deCypher]
    #11796914 - 01/09/10 03:26 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

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deCypher said:
No, but this does not invalidate my point that my freedom can be taken away by my own choices and desires and NOT solely by other men.




You have no point because you are dropping the context (as per usual). Freedom pertains to life and ones choices. You are free to make bad decisions as much as you are free to make good ones. If you wish to kill yourself, you are free to do so.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11796929 - 01/09/10 03:29 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Yes, and the initial bad decisions that I freely make can infringe on my freedom to make good choices in the future.  The meth addict who has been chemically enslaved by the drug for the past ten years still has a technically 'free' choice to quit using and become sober, but realistically speaking their willpower has been so affected by their previous choices that it will not be a truly free decision after all.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11796933 - 01/09/10 03:31 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

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RationalEgo said:
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deCypher said:
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RationalEgo said:
I look upon the history of men, which I have learned from the books, and I wonder. It was a long story, and the spirit which moved it was the spirit of man's freedom. But what is freedom? Freedom from what? There is nothing to take a man's freedom away from him, save other men. To be free, a man must be free of his brothers. That is freedom. That and nothing else.-- Ayn Rand




One could argue that one's own desires could also imprison the self.  Addiction would the paramount example of this.




What the hell does that have to do with freedom? You should be free to kill yourself if you want, its your choice.

Ask yourself this question: Is heroin addiction in ones own rational long term self-interest?




Out of curiosity, what are some examples of choices that are in one's rational long term self-interest, assuming as a base the choice to hold an occupation that affords one the basic means of survival?


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Lion]
    #11804379 - 01/10/10 07:35 PM (14 years, 20 days ago)

Oh and the Twain quote I just used as code for those in the know that I'm punching in GG with my job:

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover"


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“I believe that all government is evil and that trying to improve it is a waste of time."
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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: learningtofly]
    #11807168 - 01/11/10 10:40 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

When everyone thinks alike - nobody thinks much - Dee Dickinson

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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: blackdust]
    #11813508 - 01/12/10 08:26 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Behind every fortune lies a crime. -Tolstoy


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Icelander]
    #11814706 - 01/12/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

does that include fortune cookies


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: learningtofly]
    #11820041 - 01/13/10 02:53 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Too bad there isn't a fortune behind every crime.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Lakefingers]
    #11820203 - 01/13/10 05:35 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

There isn't that kind of money around.


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