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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleKurt
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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Spacial Temporal]
    #21715054 - 05/23/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
"Metaphysics is a refuge for men who have a strong desire to appear learned and profound but have nothing worth hearing to say. Their speculations have helped mankind hardly more than those of the astrologers. What we regard as good in metaphysics is really psychology: the rest is only blah. Ordinarily, it does not even produce good phrases, but is dull and witless. The accumulated body of philosophical speculation is hopelessly self-contradictory. It is not a system at all, but simply a quarreling congeries of systems. The thing that makes philosophers respected is not actually their profundity, but simply their obscurity. They translate vague and dubious ideas into high-sounding words, and their dupes assume, as they assume themselves, that the resulting obfuscation is a contribution to knowledge." --H.L. Mencken




Mencken... isn't he the philosopher best known be for commenting on philosophers much better than himself?


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21715408 - 05/23/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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"The cynics are right nine times out of ten."  --H.L. Mencken




Ha.

I'm just going to say the quote on metaphysics doesn't say anything of what it speaks, in its ironically circumscribed way. I mean, take out "metaphysics" and put another word in there, and it'd pretty much stay the same, content-wise. What again is he criticizing?

I say find yourself, or as much, your world or nature in its inherent terms, as the stoic philosophers did. With a noble wisdom beyond themselves, they found the causa sui of nature or physis is not mechanism but in the actual terms of life,  growth and becoming.


To quote a compendium called Seneca's advice to Diogenes:
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Cynics are failed stoics. Don't dwell in poverty, Diogenese, leave the polis of discusson if you can manage to, for all our sakes. Leave  the resentful temperment, and self irony, and go back to chewing on what is between you and nature. Discard charitable or stolen provisions of how things are ideally represented, how things should be, your suffering of life, of "nature" which you at your best have  no attitude to, and learn to not speak of.






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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: Kurt]
    #21718039 - 05/24/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"Even the wisest among you is a mere conflict and cross between a plant and a ghost. But do I bid you become a plant or Ghost?"

Nietzsche, Thus Spake Zarathustra

"We are too late for the Gods, and too early for Being..."

Martin Heidegger


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21722946 - 05/25/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hah, thanks for that.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21728458 - 05/27/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Self criticism is often the best criticism.

"What I managed to seize upon at that time, something fearful and dangerous, was a problem with horns (not
necessarily a bull exactly, but in any event a new problem)."

Nietzsche, Attempt at Self Criticism (Preface to Birth of Tragedy)


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: R0B0G3N3S1S] * 1
    #21822139 - 06/18/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"What, then, is that incalculable feeling that deprives the mind of the sleep necessary to life? A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity."


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #21846597 - 06/23/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"How much reverence has a noble man for his enemies!—and such reverence is a bridge to love.—For he desires his enemy for himself, as his mark of distinction; he can endure no other enemy than one in whom there is nothing to despise and very much to honor! In contrast to this, picture 'the enemy' as the man of ressentiment conceives him—and here precisely is his deed, his creation: he has conceived 'the evil enemy,' 'the Evil One,' and this in fact is his basic concept, from which he then evolves, as an afterthought and pendant, a 'good one'—himself!”


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22050877 - 08/05/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

When I began my career, the categorical imperative of every young writer was to represent his own time. Full of good intentions, I tried to identify myself with the ruthless energies propelling the events of our century, both collective and individual. I tried to find some harmony between the adventurous, picaresque inner rhythm that prompted me to write and the frantic spectacle of the world, sometimes dramatic and sometimes grotesque. Soon I became aware that between the facts of life that should have been my raw materials and the quick light touch I wanted for my writing, there was a gulf that cost me increasing effort to cross. Maybe I was only then becoming aware of the weight, the inertia, the opacity of the world–qualities that stick to writing from the start, unless one finds some way of evading them.

At certain moments I felt that the entire world was turning into stone: a slow petrification, more or less advanced depending on people and places but one that spared no aspect of life. It was as if no one could escape the inexorable stare of Medusa. The only hero able to cut off Medusa’s head is Perseus, who flies with winged sandals; Perseus, who does not turn his gaze upon the face of the Gorgon but only upon her image reflected in his bronze shield. Thus Perseus comes to my aid even at this moment, just as I too am about to be caught in a vise of stone–which happens every time I try to speak about my own past. Better to let my talk be composed of images from mythology.

- Italo Calvino


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical Quotes [Re: mastif]
    #22087813 - 08/13/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Be like the wind when it rushes forth from its mountain-caves: to its own piping will it dance; the seas tremble and leap under its footsteps. That which gives wings to asses, that which milks the lionesses: Praised be that good, unruly spirit, which comes like a hurricane… Praised be this spirit of all free spirits, the laughing storm, which blows dust into the eyes of all the dark-sighted and melancholic! You higher men, the worst thing in you is that you have, none of you, learned to dance as you ought to dance—to dance beyond yourselves! What does it matter that you have failed? How many things are still possible! So learn to laugh beyond yourselves! Lift up your hearts, you good dancers, high! higher! And do not forget good laughter!


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #22194700 - 09/05/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Apologies if this is out of line, but I feel like the comedian Bill Burr here touches both on inflationary sensitivities of dialogue, and the kind tempered, self responsibility which perhaps philosopher can appreciate.





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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22195145 - 09/05/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Being able to countenance criticism... Isn't that a somewhat missed virtue? I sometimes wonder if a modern America is too vacuous to even have a dialogue.

It will be a point in discussion of history, of course, to deny history, or it will be taking a position to relativize all points of view. But what does one stand for in deflection? The response can be practically anticipated. 

"Here is the hospitality which forever indicates heroes" Whitman wrote...


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: maynardjameskeenan] * 1
    #22198246 - 09/06/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What is a fact? You began by saying this didn't really happen. You are just taking positions to create some simplistic impression of things. :thumbdown:


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22231788 - 09/13/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anis Mojgani



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Re: Your favorite philosophical and spiritual quotes. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22543947 - 11/18/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The disappearance of God has left us facing reality and the ideal prospect of transforming this real world. And we have found ourselves confronted with the undertaking of realizing the world, of making it become technically, integrally real.
      Now, the world, even freed from all illusion, does not lend itself at all to reality. The more we advance in this undertaking, the more ambiguous it becomes, the more it loses sight of itself. Reality has barely had time to exist and already it is disappearing...

Jean Baudrillard





Is this true; or however you like to say it? Is something like this happening? What is our world?


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Re: Your favorite philosophical and spiritual quotes. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22549489 - 11/19/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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“Niemand ist mehr Sklave, als der sich für frei hält, ohne es zu sein.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe




So then...are collective perceptions as much, the world? :


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22580314 - 11/26/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Good one.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #22626730 - 12/07/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)



Found this in the pub. :lol:


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22915199 - 02/17/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

On the stoic difference...

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The difference here between the Epicurean and our own school is this: our wise man feels his troubles but overcomes them, while their wise man does not even feel them. We share with them the belief that the wise man is content with himself. Nevertheless, self-sufficient though he is, he still desires a friend, a neighbour, a companion. Notice how self-contented he is: on occasion such a man is content with a mere partial self – if he loses a hand as a result of war or disease, or has one of his eyes, or even both, put out in an accident, he will be satisfied with what remains of himself and be no less pleased with his body now that it is maimed and incomplete than he was when it was whole. But while he does not hanker after what he has lost, he does prefer not to lose them. And this is what we mean when we say the wise man is self-content; he is so in the sense that he is able to do without friends, not that he desires to do without them. When I speak of his being ‘able’ to do this, what I am saying in fact amounts to this: he bears the loss of a friend with equanimity.

Seneca, Letters




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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: Icelander]
    #22946998 - 02/25/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)


Terrence Mckenna on philosophy and reality and truth in some certain terms. Not a bad riff.


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Re: Your Favorite Philosophical and Spiritual Quotes [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #22947183 - 02/26/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

You have an interesting sense of humor.


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