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tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin
#10262003 - 04/30/09 11:36 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is true, tobacco can get you as high or higher than heroin. A recent little experiment I did made me mad high for several weeks and way out there, but tobacco is a legal lethal killer. It's hypocritical that they let tobacco be legal and keep cannabis illegal when tobacco is far more addictive and dangerous than cannabis and just as powerful as heroin in the right dose.
Yeah I'm a moron, but I'm through with this shit I am going cold turkey with no internet, nothing, locking myself in my room and gonna sweat this shit out. I'm through with it, this shit is worse than any illegal drug. You have to be an idiot to smoke this shit, take it from me, I'm a junkie. I'm just a legal junkie that's it.
Fuck tobacco.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262023 - 04/30/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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... how does tobacco get you high
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262024 - 04/30/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck tobacco.
yes!!!! i quit last year cause its nasty as hell and didnt do shit for me.....lets all quit smokin tobacco and petition the make tobacco illegal and cannabis legal....i mean if the companies switch from selling tobacco to cannabis.....they wouldnt really lose their business they would just be switching products...and anyway cigarette prices and more expensive than they ever were...........its all just plain rediculous and pisses me off everytime i think about it.....
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262040 - 04/30/09 11:44 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, I know the feeling. Wish I could stop, but my brain starts to fuzz out and I can't help but smoke. I once went for 2 weeks without a cigarette. WHY THE FUCK DID I START SMOKING AGAIN? I found a cigarette at my parents house, thought I'd "try one out, just to remember what it was like." And now I'm here smoking again.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262062 - 04/30/09 11:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quetzalcohuatl said: Yeah I'm a moron
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262067 - 04/30/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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is this satrical? i cant tell no way will tobacco make you high as heroin LOL im going for a smoke.. i expect to be 'mad' high when i come back
*i dont really get addicted to cigs i had a a few packs around 3 weeks ago and have no desire to smoke (cos my pen0r is big)
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: samba_lightning]
#10262104 - 04/30/09 11:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Apparently the OP has never used Heroin.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: WakeboardrB]
#10262126 - 04/30/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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actually, he may be somewhat right. in higher doses, nicotine is an extremely powerful narcotic..
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262150 - 04/30/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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so if i shoot tobacco i'll get really high?
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#10262165 - 04/30/09 12:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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JonnyOnTheSpot said: so if i shoot tobacco i'll get really high?
noOOoo thats silleh first you make some nicobutter and shoot the butter
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#10262169 - 04/30/09 12:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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JonnyOnTheSpot said: so if i shoot tobacco i'll get really high?
Yup, right before you die.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: WakeboardrB]
#10262177 - 04/30/09 12:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nicotine is addictive and you need to learn how to handle that shyte.
electronic cigarettes can get you high if you load them with the right stuff, since they are mini vapos.
or just stick with the normal flavors: regular tobacco, marlboro, mint, almond, chocolate, cherry, regular, menthol, apple, cream soda, and strawberry, redbull, many different coffees, cappuccino, cola, ice cream, p-nutt butter cup, banananut, blueberry, Dr.P, root bear.......
get high on nicotine, not tobacco.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: WakeboardrB]
#10262233 - 04/30/09 12:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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WakeboardrB said: Apparently the OP has never used Heroin.
Nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262300 - 04/30/09 12:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i bet if u shot some micrograms of nicotine, youd be pretty damn high.. maybe alittle more like 1mg or something. idk, never shot pure nicotine, never will
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: tripp23]
#10262328 - 04/30/09 12:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you let a cigar dissolve into a glass of water and drink the mixture, you'd die.
(But you'd probably get one hell of a buzz before you do.)
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262377 - 04/30/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Toxicity isn't necessarily related to abuse.
Its also very difficult to experimentally determine how much more "addictive" one substance is versus another.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: tripp23]
#10262404 - 04/30/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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tripp23 said: i bet if u shot some micrograms of nicotine, youd be pretty damn high.. maybe alittle more like 1mg or something. idk, never shot pure nicotine, never will
Nicotine is very toxic. It was used as an insecticide for a long time.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262408 - 04/30/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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WakeboardrB said: Apparently the OP has never used Heroin.
Nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
yeah right. heroin/opiates are the most addicting thing in the world. i cant believe you even said that. how many Tobacco Anonymous groups have you heard of? how many inpatient detox clinics are in america to help people quit smoking cigs. ZERO thats how many. rediculous
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10262419 - 04/30/09 12:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/29/magazine/nicotine-harder-to-kickthan-heroin.html
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
#10262432 - 04/30/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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tripp23 said: actually, he may be somewhat right. in higher doses, nicotine is an extremely powerful narcotic..
in high doses like in untreated tobacco that the Native Americans used. As high as heroin though, that sounds so unreasonable I question the OP's intelligence STRONGLY. Also, you can't do a ton of nicotine, because one drop is enough to kill you, and if you smoke untreated tobacco like say, pot, it'll kill you. The Natives mouthed it more like a cigar smoker technique.
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Fuck tobacco.
yes!!!! i quit last year cause its nasty as hell and didnt do shit for me.....lets all quit smokin tobacco and petition the make tobacco illegal and cannabis legal....i mean if the companies switch from selling tobacco to cannabis.....they wouldnt really lose their business they would just be switching products...and anyway cigarette prices and more expensive than they ever were...........its all just plain rediculous and pisses me off everytime i think about it.....
Yeah, because we pot smokers are better somehow, right?
If there is one thing I can't stand, and there are many, it's pot smokers that want other things illegal. It isn't about the danger, if you tell me what I can put in my body you might as well molest me because you are an invasive fuck. You can't have it both ways "it's my right to put what I want in my body" or "legalize it" is blasphemous when spoken by someone who thinks we should just switch the laws for pot and the ol' brown stuff.
And this stuff about tobacco being more addictive then heroin is as big of a crock of shit as pot being poison; know why? Heroin withdrawals can KILL you, and they do more then make you a bit fuzzy or grouchy because you need a cig. Hell, I smoked like six cigs in a row once, no high, no addiction, I think heroin is less safe.
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Edited by doom876 (04/30/09 01:00 PM)
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262458 - 04/30/09 01:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/29/magazine/nicotine-harder-to-kickthan-heroin.html
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"Heroin addicts say it is easier to give up dope than it is to give up smoking," says Dr. Sharon Hall, a psychology professor whose research at the University of California's San Francisco medical school centers on methods of curtailing drug abuse.
it is encouraged for addicts who want to give up dope to smoke. its like trading one addiction for another, but one thats better for you. yes, you would have to be a complete retard to think heroin is better for you then tobacco). youve obviously never been addicted to an opiate. on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the worst) nicotine withdrawal is like a 6 where as opiates are about 13
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10262461 - 04/30/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I completely agree that the withdrawals for heroin are worse than for tobacco. This doesn't change the fact that tobacco is still more addictive than heroin.
Moreover, excluding withdrawals, heroin is much healthier for you than tobacco. Practically all harm done by heroin usage comes from either improper usage (using dirty needles, shooting up the same location on the vein, using impure heroin, etcetera). Contrarily tobacco is carcinogenic and pretty consistently bad for your body.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262492 - 04/30/09 01:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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heroin literally scars your brain tissue. even people who have used oxycontin for years will have scars all over their brain.i dont know which id rather have brain damage, or lung cancer. the path im walking looks like ill end up with both
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262496 - 04/30/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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WakeboardrB said: Apparently the OP has never used Heroin.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10262512 - 04/30/09 01:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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CubensisCutter said: heroin literally scars your brain tissue. even people who have used oxycontin for years will have scars all over their brain.i dont know which id rather have brain damage, or lung cancer. the path im walking looks like ill end up with both
Sources please? AFAIK pure heroin does not cause brain damage, unless you consider the naturally adaptive tolerance of brain tissue to external chemicals to be 'damage'. However, there is a brain disease called leukoencephalopathy that shows up infrequently in users who smoke heroin from aluminum foil. This is suspected to be due to impure adulterants, though.
http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/health/leukoencephalopathy.shtml
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262530 - 04/30/09 01:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I completely agree that the withdrawals for heroin are worse than for tobacco. This doesn't change the fact that tobacco is still more addictive than heroin.
Moreover, excluding withdrawals, heroin is much healthier for you than tobacco. Practically all harm done by heroin usage comes from either improper usage (using dirty needles, shooting up the same location on the vein, using impure heroin, etcetera). Contrarily tobacco is carcinogenic and pretty consistently bad for your body.
Your first statement makes no sense, since heroin is more pleasurable that would make it more addictive in that sense, and the fear of withdrawls or the withdrawls themselves if someone tried to quit would make it much harder to quit, and therefor more addictive.
Heroin scars your brain and liver(milk thistle helps that)...
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Edited by doom876 (04/30/09 01:21 PM)
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10262543 - 04/30/09 01:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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doom876 said: Your first statement makes no sense, since heroin is more pleasurable that would make it more addictive in that sense, and the fear of withdrawls or the withdrawls themselves if someone tried to quit would make it much harder to quit, and therefor more addictive.
Again, nicotine has a higher relapse rate than heroin, making it more addictive.
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doom876 said: Heroin scars your brain and liver(milk thistle helps that)...
Sources please. Adulterants in the heroin might cause leukoencephalopathy when it is smoked on foil, but that does not mean pure heroin scars your brain. Medical hospitals use morphine to treat pain; heroin is diacetylmorphine and converts to morphine once it crosses the BBB. Do you really think they would use this on chronic pain patients if it caused brain-scarring?
And do you have any links backing up your assertion that it scars the liver?
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10262544 - 04/30/09 01:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Scars your brain tissue? Really?
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262564 - 04/30/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i don't think heroin itself does much beyond changing brain-chemistry. it's the (unclean) methods of usage and (unclean) adulterants that fuck with your shit.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Krishna]
#10262585 - 04/30/09 01:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another quote from the same NY times article:
''The idea that cigarette smoking is more addictive than cocaine or heroin is ludicrous,'' says Scott Stath
Really, there is little empirical evidence that nicotine is more "addictive" than heroin. And by "evidence" I don't mean sensationalized news stories.
EDIT: had it backwards
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#10262609 - 04/30/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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WakeboardrB said: Apparently the OP has never used Heroin.
Nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
I was able to quit heroin alot easier than its been to quit cigarettes. been clean from H for like 10 months then shot up once and though i wanted it again obviously. I was able to contol that craving. Today i bought a pack of smokes after 5 days of being clean. It was wierd went up to pay for my gas and almost like subcounciously i was like 'can i get a pack of...' and here i now sit smoking that cigarette wondering why i bought them.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: badchad]
#10262651 - 04/30/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't find anything on the liver stuff, but I read it a long time ago. I'm rather iffy on trusting the sights that I was seeing. Injecting still causes vascular damage when injected, probably lung damage when smoked, dangers of impurities on the black market, it has a low LD50, and it is number one in this dangerous drugs list http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rawilson/browse_thread/thread/369bb83700a1ce2c .
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''The idea that cigarette smoking is more addictive than cocaine or heroin is ludicrous,'' says Scott Stath
Really, there is little empirical evidence that heroin is more "addictive" than nicotine. And by "evidence" I don't mean sensationalized news stories.
Like I said before
"Your first statement makes no sense, since heroin is more pleasurable that would make it more addictive in that sense, and the fear of withdrawls or the withdrawls themselves if someone tried to quit would make it much harder to quit, and therefor more addictive."
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10262688 - 04/30/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, I had my sentence backwards.
Really, in controlled, blinded, human experiments with healthy "normal" volunteers, people don't like nicotine and don't choose to take it.
This suggests that nicotine itself is not addictive, rather its the perfect packaging of nicotine in cigarettes that make them addictive.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262702 - 04/30/09 01:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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tobacco, specifically nicotine, cannot get you higher than heroin
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: mockingbird]
#10262703 - 04/30/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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WakeboardrB said: Apparently the OP has never used Heroin.
Nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
I was able to quit heroin alot easier than its been to quit cigarettes. been clean from H for like 10 months then shot up once and though i wanted it again obviously. I was able to contol that craving. Today i bought a pack of smokes after 5 days of being clean. It was wierd went up to pay for my gas and almost like subcounciously i was like 'can i get a pack of...' and here i now sit smoking that cigarette wondering why i bought them.
i think that has a lot more to do with cigarettes being socially acceptable in our society and heroin not being socially acceptable. i was able to quit doing heroin, i still smoke cigarettes. i don't think that i am "more" addicted to nicotine than i was to heroin, i just think it is environmental.
also, you can generally live your life just fine while being a smoker, not so much as a junkie.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Krishna]
#10262761 - 04/30/09 01:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
That said I dunno how one would conclusively determine which drug, nicotine or heroin, is objectively more addictive -- but it's obvious that many more people are addicted to cigarettes than heroin, and that many of those people find it extremely hard to quit. There are lifetime cigarette smokers by the millions, but your typical heroin user only uses for a few relatively short periods in their life. Given that, I think it's certainly fair to say that in a sense nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10262816 - 04/30/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quetzalcohuatl said: You have to be an idiot to smoke this shit, take it from me, I'm a junkie. I'm just a legal junkie that's it.
Fuck tobacco.
No, you have to be an idiot to let a substance control your life. There is nothing wrong with tobacco, it is a plant, and has its uses. When used properly by the right people, this plant can be quite beneficial. But when used by irresponsible people such as yourself, yes, it can be dangerous and cause more harm than good. I come from a long line of tobacco farmers, grow tobacco myself, and use it quite frequently. I am not addicted, have no health issues, and have never felt compelled to compare it to herion in any way. Responsibility is the issue here, not tobacco.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: laserpig]
#10262842 - 04/30/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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no, you cannot say that. do heroin everyday for a week and you will be physically addicted. smoke some cigarettes every day for a week and you will not be addicted at all. silly fuckin people
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: satyr]
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Quetzalcohuatl said: You have to be an idiot to smoke this shit, take it from me, I'm a junkie. I'm just a legal junkie that's it.
Fuck tobacco.
No, you have to be an idiot to let a substance control your life. There is nothing wrong with tobacco, it is a plant, and has its uses. When used properly by the right people, this plant can be quite beneficial. But when used by irresponsible people such as yourself, yes, it can be dangerous and cause more harm than good. I come from a long line of tobacco farmers, grow tobacco myself, and use it quite frequently. I am not addicted, have no health issues, and have never felt compelled to compare it to herion in any way. Responsibility is the issue here, not tobacco.
Amen.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: laserpig]
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10262904 - 04/30/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Clinically, there is a diagnosis of "Substance Dependence".
From a medical perspective, there is no such thing as "psychological addiction".
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
I would have to disagree with this. Psychological addiction is just as serious as a physical one. There is no relevant difference; if someone cannot control their consumption of a substance, then they are addicted, despite the nature of that addiction. After all, if we want to get technical, then everythingis in our heads. The world we think we live in is actually an interpretation by our brain. But despite this illusion, it is still important is it not?
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Beanhead]
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Yes, as someone who has been addicted to opiates and is currently prescribed 20mg of Suboxone a day to deal with that addiction, and as someone who is addicted to cigs, I can honestly tell you that cigs are MUCH harder to quit than heroin. Just the fact that every time you go into a grocery store, gas station, convenience store, walgreens, etc. to be stared in the face by the huge shelves full of cigs, makes it much harder to quit.
And to the guy above me, weed is more enjoyable TO YOU. I personally don't like weed all that much and find much more pleasure smoking pipe tobacco or a good cigar than smoking weed.
EDIT: And to the guy that was rambling about opiates scarring your brain, I'd really like to see some sources for that. That statement, along with others I have seen from you, really make you come across as a very stupid person.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#10263001 - 04/30/09 02:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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as a fair warning from somebody who didn't heed this advice - do not stay on suboxone for too long.
it is a miracle drug, but withdrawal from it can last months.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Krishna]
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I'm working my way down now actually, but thanks for the warning anyways
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: RipVanWinkle]
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10263104 - 04/30/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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an addiction to cigareetes takes time to to build up, and when you try to quit after smoking for a long time, you start wanting a cig everytime you are in a situation that you used to smoke in, like if you smoked with your buddys, everytime you hangout with them you get the urge to smoke, or maybe in the car on the way to work in the morning.
it's a very psychological addiction, i quit for a month or two every few months, and it really helps with the addiction.
i like to smoke, i know it is bad for you, but so is breathing in the toxic air that is all around us, so is eating sugary shitty foods, so it is really a trade off, you can enjoy smoking and live a shorter life, or you can not smoke and you may have a heartattack at 40 from eating shitty food all your life
we all die someday
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10263109 - 04/30/09 02:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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CubensisCutter said: heroin literally scars your brain tissue. even people who have used oxycontin for years will have scars all over their brain.i dont know which id rather have brain damage, or lung cancer. the path im walking looks like ill end up with both
It doesn't scar your brain tissue, whatever the hell that means. It rewires the brain to be addicted. Causes new synapses to be formed in the reward pathway.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
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Quetzalcohuatl said: It is true, tobacco can get you as high or higher than heroin. A recent little experiment I did made me mad high for several weeks and way out there, but tobacco is a legal lethal killer. It's hypocritical that they let tobacco be legal and keep cannabis illegal when tobacco is far more addictive and dangerous than cannabis and just as powerful as heroin in the right dose.
Yeah I'm a moron, but I'm through with this shit I am going cold turkey with no internet, nothing, locking myself in my room and gonna sweat this shit out. I'm through with it, this shit is worse than any illegal drug. You have to be an idiot to smoke this shit, take it from me, I'm a junkie. I'm just a legal junkie that's it.
Fuck tobacco.
Tobacco and heroin don't even compare. Get the fuck over yourself.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Beanhead]
#10263123 - 04/30/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I honestly wouldn't advise using anything that you have easy access to. Just take some lortabs or percs sometime, I wouldn't go past those if I were you, just because of the fucked up shit I've been through because of stronger opes.
I'm not gunna lie, they are fucking amazing drugs, but in the long run its not worth it at all. I started out just wanting to try them out a few times, and I REALLY thought I had a strong enough willpower to keep myself from getting too deep. But I didn't.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Beanhead]
#10263124 - 04/30/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Beanhead said: The WITHDRAWALS of heroin are probably 10x worse, but the addictivity (if that's even a word) of nicotine is higher then H is what they are trying to say, I think.
Exactly, and probably a large part of this has to do with availability and societal approval.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: box of rain]
#10263137 - 04/30/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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We should all be able to do what ever we want so long as we only hurt ourselfs and nobody else, i am all for smaller government, we as a nation have become intirely to dependant on the big brother
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
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CubensisCutter said: heroin literally scars your brain tissue. even people who have used oxycontin for years will have scars all over their brain.i dont know which id rather have brain damage, or lung cancer. the path im walking looks like ill end up with both
No it doesn't. Heroin doesn't cause any physical brain damage. the only thing it does is rewire your reward pathway which triggers mental cravings. It doesn't physically harm your brain at all. Idk where you heard that crap.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: satyr]
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
I would have to disagree with this. Psychological addiction is just as serious as a physical one. There is no relevant difference; if someone cannot control their consumption of a substance, then they are addicted, despite the nature of that addiction. After all, if we want to get technical, then everythingis in our heads. The world we think we live in is actually an interpretation by our brain. But despite this illusion, it is still important is it not?
You arn't getting technical, just throwing around fake intulectual BS like everyone who knows nothing.
It isn't all in your head, physical addiction has to do with chemicals in your body. Thanks for not stating an oppinion, but something directly contrariety yo reality.
Your thought process needs repairing, obviously, sorry thazt we don't agree.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10263206 - 04/30/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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doom876 said: Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug.
Psychological addiction exists. So does physical addiction. One is worse than the other. What's your point?
(and BTW the two ultimately merge into each other; drugs cause pharmacological and physical changes to your brain which causes mental and psychological changes to your mind)
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
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You arn't getting technical, just throwing around fake intulectual BS like everyone who knows nothing.
It isn't all in your head, physical addiction has to do with chemicals in your body. Thanks for not stating an oppinion, but something directly contrariety yo reality.
Your thought process needs repairing, obviously, sorry thazt we don't agree.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. How can I even respond to such utter nonsense?
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samba_lightning said: is this satrical? i cant tell no way will tobacco make you high as heroin LOL im going for a smoke.. i expect to be 'mad' high when i come back
*i dont really get addicted to cigs i had a a few packs around 3 weeks ago and have no desire to smoke (cos my pen0r is big)
your just asking to fuck someone over with a statement like that
i could take 1 hit off a blunt and be wacked out from the nicotine for 4 days
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#12649393 - 05/29/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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woops sozz didnt mean to bump old post
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Cool Cat Coast]
#12649396 - 05/29/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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WTF is with you replying to threads that are over a year old? Time for a puppet check.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said: WTF is with you replying to threads that are over a year old? Time for a puppet check.
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Gumby said: WTF is with you replying to threads that are over a year old? Time for a puppet check.
fuck dude i was just about to fix it, its takin me a sec to get use to it chill out
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Cool Cat Coast]
#12649408 - 05/29/10 07:58 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright alright, saw you do the same thing yesterday too. Thought you might be doin it on purpose.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Gumby]
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Gumby said: Alright alright, saw you do the same thing yesterday too. Thought you might be doin it on purpose.
na uh, im not new im just not to inclined rite now im nicotine withdrawin
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