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badchad
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10262904 - 04/30/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Clinically, there is a diagnosis of "Substance Dependence".
From a medical perspective, there is no such thing as "psychological addiction".
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satyr
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10262932 - 04/30/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
I would have to disagree with this. Psychological addiction is just as serious as a physical one. There is no relevant difference; if someone cannot control their consumption of a substance, then they are addicted, despite the nature of that addiction. After all, if we want to get technical, then everythingis in our heads. The world we think we live in is actually an interpretation by our brain. But despite this illusion, it is still important is it not?
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10262940 - 04/30/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RipVanWinkle
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Beanhead]
#10262976 - 04/30/09 02:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, as someone who has been addicted to opiates and is currently prescribed 20mg of Suboxone a day to deal with that addiction, and as someone who is addicted to cigs, I can honestly tell you that cigs are MUCH harder to quit than heroin. Just the fact that every time you go into a grocery store, gas station, convenience store, walgreens, etc. to be stared in the face by the huge shelves full of cigs, makes it much harder to quit.
And to the guy above me, weed is more enjoyable TO YOU. I personally don't like weed all that much and find much more pleasure smoking pipe tobacco or a good cigar than smoking weed.
EDIT: And to the guy that was rambling about opiates scarring your brain, I'd really like to see some sources for that. That statement, along with others I have seen from you, really make you come across as a very stupid person.
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Edited by RipVanWinkle (04/30/09 02:27 PM)
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#10263001 - 04/30/09 02:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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as a fair warning from somebody who didn't heed this advice - do not stay on suboxone for too long.
it is a miracle drug, but withdrawal from it can last months.
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RipVanWinkle
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Krishna]
#10263035 - 04/30/09 02:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm working my way down now actually, but thanks for the warning anyways
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Beanhead
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#10263058 - 04/30/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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box of rain
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10263104 - 04/30/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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an addiction to cigareetes takes time to to build up, and when you try to quit after smoking for a long time, you start wanting a cig everytime you are in a situation that you used to smoke in, like if you smoked with your buddys, everytime you hangout with them you get the urge to smoke, or maybe in the car on the way to work in the morning.
it's a very psychological addiction, i quit for a month or two every few months, and it really helps with the addiction.
i like to smoke, i know it is bad for you, but so is breathing in the toxic air that is all around us, so is eating sugary shitty foods, so it is really a trade off, you can enjoy smoking and live a shorter life, or you can not smoke and you may have a heartattack at 40 from eating shitty food all your life
we all die someday
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10263109 - 04/30/09 02:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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CubensisCutter said: heroin literally scars your brain tissue. even people who have used oxycontin for years will have scars all over their brain.i dont know which id rather have brain damage, or lung cancer. the path im walking looks like ill end up with both
It doesn't scar your brain tissue, whatever the hell that means. It rewires the brain to be addicted. Causes new synapses to be formed in the reward pathway.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10263115 - 04/30/09 02:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quetzalcohuatl said: It is true, tobacco can get you as high or higher than heroin. A recent little experiment I did made me mad high for several weeks and way out there, but tobacco is a legal lethal killer. It's hypocritical that they let tobacco be legal and keep cannabis illegal when tobacco is far more addictive and dangerous than cannabis and just as powerful as heroin in the right dose.
Yeah I'm a moron, but I'm through with this shit I am going cold turkey with no internet, nothing, locking myself in my room and gonna sweat this shit out. I'm through with it, this shit is worse than any illegal drug. You have to be an idiot to smoke this shit, take it from me, I'm a junkie. I'm just a legal junkie that's it.
Fuck tobacco.
Tobacco and heroin don't even compare. Get the fuck over yourself.
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RipVanWinkle
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Beanhead]
#10263123 - 04/30/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I honestly wouldn't advise using anything that you have easy access to. Just take some lortabs or percs sometime, I wouldn't go past those if I were you, just because of the fucked up shit I've been through because of stronger opes.
I'm not gunna lie, they are fucking amazing drugs, but in the long run its not worth it at all. I started out just wanting to try them out a few times, and I REALLY thought I had a strong enough willpower to keep myself from getting too deep. But I didn't.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Beanhead]
#10263124 - 04/30/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Beanhead said: The WITHDRAWALS of heroin are probably 10x worse, but the addictivity (if that's even a word) of nicotine is higher then H is what they are trying to say, I think.
Exactly, and probably a large part of this has to do with availability and societal approval.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: box of rain]
#10263137 - 04/30/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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We should all be able to do what ever we want so long as we only hurt ourselfs and nobody else, i am all for smaller government, we as a nation have become intirely to dependant on the big brother
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: CubensisCutter]
#10263177 - 04/30/09 02:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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CubensisCutter said: heroin literally scars your brain tissue. even people who have used oxycontin for years will have scars all over their brain.i dont know which id rather have brain damage, or lung cancer. the path im walking looks like ill end up with both
No it doesn't. Heroin doesn't cause any physical brain damage. the only thing it does is rewire your reward pathway which triggers mental cravings. It doesn't physically harm your brain at all. Idk where you heard that crap.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: satyr]
#10263190 - 04/30/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
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laserpig said: Dudes, strength of withdrawal symptoms are not correlated to psychological addiction. The amount of pleasure derived from using the drug isn't correlated either. (I mean who the fuck can say they enjoy a cigarette more than a jay? And yet we know marijuana is barely habit-forming at all.)
Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug. That's why it doesn't count. Psychological addiction is as unreal as ADD.
I would have to disagree with this. Psychological addiction is just as serious as a physical one. There is no relevant difference; if someone cannot control their consumption of a substance, then they are addicted, despite the nature of that addiction. After all, if we want to get technical, then everythingis in our heads. The world we think we live in is actually an interpretation by our brain. But despite this illusion, it is still important is it not?
You arn't getting technical, just throwing around fake intulectual BS like everyone who knows nothing.
It isn't all in your head, physical addiction has to do with chemicals in your body. Thanks for not stating an oppinion, but something directly contrariety yo reality.
Your thought process needs repairing, obviously, sorry thazt we don't agree.
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10263206 - 04/30/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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doom876 said: Reality doesn't correlate with psychological addiction. I could be psychologically addicted to chocolate, soda, whatever. If it isn't physical or from something like an intense pleasure that you can't stand being without, then it isn't real addiction. I can feel myself wanting weed alot, but that is my head, not the drug.
Psychological addiction exists. So does physical addiction. One is worse than the other. What's your point?
(and BTW the two ultimately merge into each other; drugs cause pharmacological and physical changes to your brain which causes mental and psychological changes to your mind)
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satyr
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: doom876]
#10263250 - 04/30/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You arn't getting technical, just throwing around fake intulectual BS like everyone who knows nothing.
It isn't all in your head, physical addiction has to do with chemicals in your body. Thanks for not stating an oppinion, but something directly contrariety yo reality.
Your thought process needs repairing, obviously, sorry thazt we don't agree.
You have got to be fucking kidding me. How can I even respond to such utter nonsense?
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samba_lightning said: is this satrical? i cant tell no way will tobacco make you high as heroin LOL im going for a smoke.. i expect to be 'mad' high when i come back
*i dont really get addicted to cigs i had a a few packs around 3 weeks ago and have no desire to smoke (cos my pen0r is big)
your just asking to fuck someone over with a statement like that
i could take 1 hit off a blunt and be wacked out from the nicotine for 4 days
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: deCypher]
#12649393 - 05/29/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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woops sozz didnt mean to bump old post
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Re: tobacco sucks and is just legal heroin [Re: Cool Cat Coast]
#12649396 - 05/29/10 07:53 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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WTF is with you replying to threads that are over a year old? Time for a puppet check.
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