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Offlineehud
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no smoking Pot in Nevada
    #1026194 - 11/05/02 10:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

just saw the poll not even close.

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ehud]
    #1026205 - 11/05/02 10:54 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I saw it too.  But what percent of votes were counted in the results you saw?  On the Yahoo site, it said less than 1% have been counted so far, so it could still change (I hope).  I'm surprised that a state with so many freedoms would want to ban pot, when anyone who hasn't been brainwashed by Government propoganda knows that alchohol is far more dangerous to society.  :tongue: 


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1026210 - 11/05/02 10:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Well it's a slippery slope and you know Coke and Heroin would be next.
/sarcasm off
people who vote no are just lazy fucks that's all, they wanna vote once and never vote again.


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Offlineehud
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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1026230 - 11/05/02 11:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2002/pages/ballot/index.html

here ya go, more up to date. It has 64% in


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ehud]
    #1026250 - 11/05/02 11:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ah shit!  Thanks for the link...  :confused: 


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ehud]
    #1026579 - 11/06/02 12:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I thought it would be closer than that...I think it was 69-31 when I clicked the link

Wow. Think it was rigged? I mean, could you really imagine that passing?

Legal Weed in the country that brought us the drug war. Hmm, don't fit. It wasn't allowed to pass. I'm kidding of course, but I wouldn't be suprised.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1027059 - 11/06/02 03:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Rigged? No. It should have passed but so few younger people vote that it's not surprising it lost.

The older people have heard for so long how "evil" pot is that they believe it.

Wait a few more years until those who know better start getting into office.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ehud]
    #1027154 - 11/06/02 05:38 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

fuck



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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1027214 - 11/06/02 06:39 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Wait a few more years until those who know better start getting into office.

Ummm... don't hold your breath. Pretty much all of the "Baby Boomer" generation is well aware that pot is harmless. The explosion of pot-smoking occurred during the Sixties, after all... according to some surveys the percentage of pot smokers was higher in 1972 than in 2002. Some of the icons of the Woodstock Generation are older than your average politician.

Back in the day we all held the same thought: "Just wait till WE'RE running the country... weed and LSD will be legal, man."

Note that it wasn't even the politicians this time who torpedoed it... it was the VOTERS. Don't ask me why that might be. Might just be a Nevada thing. The same referendum in a different state (California, perhaps?) might have had a different result.

Or not.

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ehud]
    #1027306 - 11/06/02 07:40 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

if it is anyones fault it is the young voters fault. there are thousands and thousands of young voters waking up today oblivious that yesterday was an election. lets face it, the marijuana culture does have a lot of lazy ass dimwits that sit at home all day and play video games and complain about how fucked up the world is. a lot arent like that but the ones that needed to step up and make a difference didn't do it and it is there fault.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1027323 - 11/06/02 07:46 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Wait a few more years until those who know better start getting into office.

I have waited 35 years thinking the exact same thing and things have only gotten worse. Only action is effective. Being patiently passive is useless. You forget that each generation passes down brainwashing and indoctrination to the next generation.

This same affect can be seen in the Middle East where tribal hatred and mistrust has been passed down for millenium.



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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Swami]
    #1027394 - 11/06/02 08:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

so what can be done?


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ehud]
    #1027396 - 11/06/02 08:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

How do you think referendums get put on ballots?
Registered voters sign a petition to get the initiative put on the ballot

You think the same initiative would have a better chance in another state?
Well if you do why havn't the registered voters of that state done whats neccessary to get it on the ballot

One problem is that a lot of pot smokers don't register to vote :confused:

don't kick nevada pot smokers, they got medicanal marijauna legal last election :grin: they also got question 9 on the ballot this election. :cool: 


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1027604 - 11/06/02 09:46 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Note that it wasn't even the politicians this time who torpedoed it... it was the VOTERS.

Drugs wern't made illegal by the voters. It was against the wishes of pretty much everyone in the entire country - it took a helluva lot of propaganda to make drug laws stick. The laws need to be passed first, then take care of the propaganda.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Xlea321]
    #1027709 - 11/06/02 10:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Gee, Alex, I always thought you were in favor of democracy. I guess democracy only counts if the results of a given vote match your own personal prejudices.

Here's the deal... this time, the question wasn't decided by a bunch of lobbyists trying to bribe elected members of a government... it was put directly to the PEOPLE of Nevada -- ALL the people of Nevada, for a DIRECT vote, and the results of the vote weren't even close.

Democracy in action is a wonderful thing, isn't it? *sarcasm* It results, quite literally, in "tyranny of the masses". Your rights are being violated not by the whim of faceless government bureaucrats, but by the whim of six out of ten of your fellow citizens.

Makes one pause and think, doesn't it?

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1027780 - 11/06/02 11:09 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

Makes one pause and think, doesn't it?



You're expecting too much from a confirmed statist.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Evolving]
    #1027919 - 11/06/02 11:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Evolving]
    #1027931 - 11/06/02 11:54 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1027996 - 11/06/02 12:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Gee, Alex, I always thought you were in favor of democracy

What makes you think drugs were made illegal by a democratic process?

Take racism - when blacks were first brought to america it took an enormous effort on the part of landowners to foster racism and fear among the white population. Poor whites were naturally inclined to treat blacks as normal human beings much to the chagrin of the free-marketeers. They were taking blacks in and treating them as friends, you had rebellions where poor whites were demanding the freedom of black slaves. The landowners responded by introducing measures to divide the two groups and introduce fear. A hundred years of indoctrination later and racism had caught on among the poor too. If you can create racism in a population you can certainly create a fear of drugs.

After decades of prejudice, fear-mongering and constant government and media demonisation of drugs why would you expect people suddenly to reject all that and vote for their legalisation?

But the positive thing is I'm sure the result would have been even worse 40 years ago - people are seeing through the demonisation, it will just take a little while.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Xlea321]
    #1028033 - 11/06/02 12:40 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

What makes you think drugs were made illegal by a democratic process?

Irrelevant. Bad laws are enacted all the time -- criminalization of drugs, gambling, prostitution, alcohol. The military draft. Gun control laws. Abolition of the death penalty. Permanent income tax. Permanent subsidies for industry. Protective tariffs. Prohibition of smoking in privately-owned establishments. The list goes on.

Opportunities to REPEAL bad law are few and far between. There was an opportunity in Nevada to repeal a bad law, and the voters voted. The bad law remains on the books, due to the WILL OF THE MAJORITY. There was an opportunity in Arizona to REPEAL a bad law, and the voters voted. The bad law remains on the books, due to the WILL OF THE MAJORITY. Democracy in action -- the people have spoken.

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1028043 - 11/06/02 12:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

And?

Read the rest of my post.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Xlea321]
    #1028123 - 11/06/02 01:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

After decades of prejudice, fear-mongering and constant government and media demonisation of drugs why would you expect people suddenly to reject all that and vote for their legalisation?

Sigh. I was illustrating a point about the dangers of Democracy. Defenders of Democracy such as yourself use (in essence) the argument that whatever the majority believes in this week is the right thing to do. No one ever stops to ask WHY the majority think that way, they just accept as a given that the best way to run a human society is to follow the herd, even if the herd is in favor of violating the rights of others.

People may be in favor of keeping drugs illegal for any number of reasons. For example, I doubt very much that any professional drug-dealers voted to decriminalize weed. The thing is, from the point of view of the legal system, it DOESN'T MATTER what their reasons are. It makes no difference whether they believe weed should be illegal because they think it leads to Rap and Hip Hop music, or they think it makes their kids stupid, or they think it causes cancer. What MATTERS is that they have the power to keep it illegal.

Locking someone up for consuming a naturally-occurring plant is quite obviously immoral regardless of how many people think otherwise, or WHY they think that way. The fact that the majority DON'T think it is immoral doesn't give them the right to violate the rights of others -- except, of course, in a Democracy.

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1028145 - 11/06/02 01:15 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

No one ever stops to ask WHY the majority think that way

What are you talking about? I've just explained to you that the majority of people didn't make drugs illegal in the first place. It took a tremendous amount of propaganda and fear-mongering to create a climate of fear we have had for the last 70 years.

You cannot suddenly decide to call a vote after 70 years of disinformation and expect a positive result. As you prove with your every post, propaganda is highly effective.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Xlea321]
    #1028275 - 11/06/02 01:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

You cannot suddenly decide to call a vote after 70 years of disinformation and expect a positive result.

No? Then why did California voters vote for the use of medical marijuana and Arizona voters did not? Is it not true that the DEA propaganda reaches all major markets?

And thank you for so handily illustrating my point. What you are saying, in essence, is that the voters in Nevada are too dumb to realize how to vote correctly. You blame it on government sponsored propaganda, others blame it on apathy or ignorance or whatever, but it comes down to the same article of faith; if everyone knew all the facts on the marijuana issue, they would vote to decriminalize it.

Well guess what? Not everyone DOES know the facts about marijuana use, and there are a hell of a lot of people who will never make the slightest effort to learn the facts. All that matters, from a practical standpoint, is that they voted to keep it illegal. The majority (albeit a brainwashed, ill-informed or apathetic majority) wins again, but that's okay because Democracy is the best form of government.

Now let's substitute some other issue for "marijuana". Something like prostitution or gambling or gun ownership or cigarette smoke or the military draft or whether or not Saddam Hussein should be forced to abide by the terms of the surrender agreement he signed or whether or not the Kyoto protocols make sense.

If we were to have a nation-wide referendum on any of these issues, how could we know that the MAJORITY decision is a neutral, un-brainwashed, well-informed one? Answer: we can't, but it DOESN'T MATTER anyway, since in a Democracy all must be bound by the decision of the majority, no matter how blatantly absurd said decision may be.

This is why I say pure Democracy is a dangerous form of government. The majority is NOT always right.

pinky


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1028657 - 11/06/02 03:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

You cannot suddenly decide to call a vote after 70 years of disinformation and expect a positive result.

No? Then why did California voters vote for the use of medical marijuana and Arizona voters did not? Is it not true that the DEA propaganda reaches all major markets?


The fact that medical MJ has been legalized in several states, personal possession virtually decriminalized in some, and the fact that Arizona and Nevada had significant MJ decriminlization questions on their ballots show me that the attitudes the US has held for almost a century are slowly starting to change. A lot of people are starting to see through all the government and media propaganda, and public support for more liberal drug policies is on the rise. Alex is right, you can't just suddenly expect these things to change overnight. It's a long, slow process and it's going to take a lot of work to make it happen, but it can, and it will happen if enough people are willing to make the change. You can't stop the people. In the end, the people rule this country, not those crusty old white guys in the white house. It's already happening, but we can't just give up because a couple measures failed to pass this year. Two years is not a long time. We'll get our chance to speak again.



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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: psilo25]
    #1028781 - 11/06/02 03:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

good call , i agree with you 100%


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1028980 - 11/06/02 04:47 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I was going to ask why you talk to idiots but I remembered the reason you already gave to me.

Nevermind.

Forget I was here.

Cheers,

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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ]
    #1029289 - 11/06/02 05:56 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1029553 - 11/06/02 06:46 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

Then why did California voters vote for the use of medical marijuana and Arizona voters did not? Is it not true that the DEA propaganda reaches all major markets?




California is diferent from any other state in many ways, one of them is the fact that many California cities are breading grounds for political activists and California puts out verry seasoned activist groups with LOTS of clout in state government...

Californians for Compassionate Use, the group that invented Prop 215, headed by Dennis Perone fought for 20 years before it got on the ballot, when it finally did the supporters and organizers went all out, some even selling their houses, taking out loans, putting off college and deadicateing 15 hour days 7 days a week promoteing and lobying for the iniative...

People in other states work pretty hard on their iniatives but I doubt that their are as many people willing to risk their homes and careers over it as many Californians did...

California also had a LARGE group of doctors and SEVERAL medical groups along with many county police agencies on board in support of the iniative, focus wasnt put on decriminalization of marijuana but more on the medical necessity of marijuana.

One of the guys I was most excited to meet at the Prop 215 celebration party was this guy.
George Zimmer, President and founder of The Mens Wharehouse. Yup, he was one of the biggest supporters by being the largest contributer of cash.

Who would have thunk it...?


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: Phred]
    #1030736 - 11/06/02 11:42 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

how could we know that the MAJORITY decision is a neutral, un-brainwashed, well-informed one?

More democracy in big corporate media corporations would be the first step. If 70 years ago the media owners had to go to the american people and ask them "Shall we band together and systematically lie, decieve and scare the american public for the next 70 years about drugs or not?". I don't think there would be any problem with making drugs legal. The fact that there is so little democracy in america that 12-15 heads of the major news corporations have the power to spread disinformation is the root of the problem. We need more democracy and more democracy in big business.


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Re: no smoking Pot in Nevada [Re: ]
    #1030805 - 11/07/02 12:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I was going to ask why you talk to idiots but I remembered the reason you already gave to me.

Is this what you call "non-defence"?  :grin:

Wierd. I havn't bothered responding to you in months and yet you still seem to be nursing some kind of grudge against me. Is it really worth it? Let your hatreds go and find peace in your life.


Forget I was here.

Ok  :laugh:

Seeing as you never add anything to threads but plaground insults you arn't going to be missed.

Take care. Think about what I've said. 


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