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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Absence of desire... and why this may not be a good thing. [Re: deCypher]
    #10262847 - 04/30/09 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The Buddhist outlook seems paradoxical to me. In order to eliminate your desires, you have to desire to eliminate your desires.




You have to initially desire to eliminate all desire, but after you've hypothetically stopped desiring then you would no longer need that first statement of preference and the situation would not be contradictory.




The entire thread could be summed up with these two statements..

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Re: Absence of desire... and why this may not be a good thing. [Re: deCypher]
    #10263653 - 04/30/09 06:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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OK, but I don't understand the logic that infers that compassion comes naturally from within once all desire is gone.




It seems to be an observation based on experience, not logic. A person experiences compassion at times, though it is generally not desired at the time of occurrence. It just happens, and is either accepted, or isn't accepted when desires get in the way.


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Re: Absence of desire... and why this may not be a good thing. [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #10263790 - 04/30/09 06:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The Buddhist outlook seems paradoxical to me. In order to eliminate your desires, you have to desire to eliminate your desires.


That is only superficially a paradox.  It is very simple: when you are tired of Samsara, you strive to practice the eightfold path in order to get out of it.  It is a natural progression when you see the bind you are in.

"The problem with being a Buddhist is the amount of time you spend on the path, knowing that you are deluded, and still being caught up in it. It makes the rapid enlightenment schemes look attractive, but alas, they too are delusions."
~Lopphon Kunga Namdrol


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Absence of desire... and why this may not be a good thing. [Re: deCypher]
    #10264314 - 04/30/09 08:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The Buddhists seek to ultimately eliminate desire in all its manifestations, thus preventing suffering from an individualistic basis.  Evolve your consciousness and ye shall find the kingdom of heaven within.  However, I claim this is an ultimately selfish tactic: you claim selflessness while you instead only pursue the narcissistic phantoms of your own Awareness.

Shouldn't we still keep the desire to help alleviate other people's suffering?  The external world is just as important as the internal world.




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