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Re: Supplements [Re: Chubba]
    #10244573 - 04/27/09 08:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The goal of working with weights is to either gain strength or gain bulk... not to "work out better".

Stimulants are known to be catabolic.

Now if you're a fat ass trying to lose weight, yeah it's productive (I would still go sober).

I was under the impression that with words like "protein shakes, creatine" etc. that the OP was doing weights and trying to bulk.




Well none of that shit really works. If you want protein, eat meat. Creatine isn't so great. etc...

Ephedrine works for bulking because you can lift more intensely which gives you a more productive workout.


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Re: Supplements [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #10244582 - 04/27/09 08:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Calcium and the dairy industry has some very interesting research behind it.

I think in the future we may look back and think "wow, they really screwed us there".

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Ephedrine works for bulking because you can lift more intensely which gives you a more productive workout.




That would require further investigation :smile:

Stimulants increase catabolism and weight lose, minimize appetite and disturb sleep.

3 things that directly oppose bulking.


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Re: Supplements [Re: PyroBurns]
    #10244586 - 04/27/09 08:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i like ephdrine because after a long day i dont want to work out, pop one, and i can... doesn't give me the shakes of caffine

just throwing in my 2 cents, i think tons of people disagree (US Gov't) lol


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    #10244600 - 04/27/09 08:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Supplements [Re: dr_gonz]
    #10244609 - 04/27/09 08:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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dr_gonz said:
sources for ephedrine?




its illegal in the states, so most source it from canada :smile:

and it originally comes from Ephedra distachya


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Re: Supplements [Re: Chubba]
    #10244611 - 04/27/09 08:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Calcium and the dairy industry has some very interesting research behind it.

I think in the future we may look back and think "wow, they really screwed us there".




I agree. Soft tissue calcium excess has been researched for over 30 years.

Yet milk propaganda continues to heavily emphasize calcium.

Shit, I had no idea magnesium is needed in order for calcium to do any good for us until I read it in a book!


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Re: Supplements [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #10248470 - 04/28/09 12:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

anyone care to suggest a good creatine?


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10248525 - 04/28/09 12:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

My strength training professor here at school told the class that protein shakes and supplements are all junk if you eat a healthy diet.  He said to build muscle people seem to be brain washed into believing they need more protein when in fact they really don't at all.  This semester in the class I went from benching 145 to 185 or a 40 pound difference and went up 15 pounds in weight.  I'm a firm believer that protein shakes and supplements are unnecessary unless your diet is complete junk.


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10248535 - 04/28/09 12:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The people who say all supplements dont work, are either talking out of their ass, or havent used them properly.  Many many supplements work, maybe not as much as their markets claim, but they do work.

Creatine- increase production of atp meaning, more strength, if you dont drink a shit load of water, you wont notice a thing however, water is its fuel.

Arganine- known as NO products, increases productino of no  in your blood, it very noticably increases muscle pump, endurance, strength, and becausse your blood vessals are more dilated, your body utilizes nutrients more effeciently

Caffine- google, im sure mosts agree, it speeds you up

Fish oil- ton of studies proving its effectivness, because bottm line, 99 percent of americans dont get their necesary fat from food, a 4 oz piece of salmon give you a third of your daily requirements and its one of the most concentratred food, and that assumes you have fresh caught salmoon, not the farm raised bulshit

i have used, MRI's creatine ethl ester, or something, its from the makers of NO2, its called CE2, pills, it works good, most will work though, you can go to bodybuilding.com and read reviews for differnt products.


honestly there are a shitload of others that are prov en to work, look on the internet, you should have no problem finding what you want.


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Re: Supplements [Re: slickvic]
    #10248564 - 04/28/09 12:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

protein shakes are a great way to get your daily protein requirements, professors will often read their outdated information, the fact is, studies are conducted every day, and the fitness sceince changes and evolves very quickly, chances are school info is outdated, i went though a personal training school a few hyears ago, and most of the info is now outdated. 

the statement, protien shakes are garbage if you eat healthy,  is waay too general of a statement, and i am surprised a professor would make such a comment.  Whey" which is the main ingredient in most protein shakes, is the most effeceitn protein source known to man, it has the higheset aminoacid count, and highest bioavavailabilty rate. 

The average person does not need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, however a bodybuilder may, notice i used the word may, it is relative to the individual. 

The average person does not consume enough protein, that is a fact, and supplements like protein powder make an easy and quick, and nutritious source for those who are to buisy to eat enough protein with food alone.  Is it necessary, of course nto, but most peopel can benifit from them.


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10248612 - 04/28/09 12:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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dr_gonz said:
sources for ephedrine?




its illegal in the states, so most source it from canada :smile:

and it originally comes from Ephedra distachya



depends on the state.

ever been to a gas station?  if you dont mind having the mucous-reliever then that's a source

making something from ephedra foliage works too

or order it in a less-legal way


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Re: Supplements [Re: AgingHippy]
    #10248648 - 04/28/09 12:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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teefizzle said:
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Monkee said:
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dr_gonz said:
sources for ephedrine?




its illegal in the states, so most source it from canada :smile:

and it originally comes from Ephedra distachya



depends on the state.

ever been to a gas station?  if you dont mind having the mucous-reliever then that's a source

making something from ephedra foliage works too

or order it in a less-legal way




yeah i send it down to the states all the time, since i think it is helpful for people :smile:


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10251709 - 04/28/09 09:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

NEW QUESTION

Where do you buy your supplements? (CAN or US)


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10254831 - 04/29/09 12:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

you trying to sell ephedrine or something? :lol:

I would have to say walgreens for my legal needs


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Re: Supplements [Re: AgingHippy]
    #10254898 - 04/29/09 12:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

do we have walgreens in canada? lol


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10254931 - 04/29/09 12:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Add Test to your supplements & youll see (& def feel) a difference.


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10254951 - 04/29/09 12:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No we do not have Walgreens, down here anyway.

Amphetamine = best supplement. I swear by it for cardio

Ephedrine and caffeine are weak, amphetamine is way better


Omega 3,6 and 9 capsules aren't a scam, I'm pretty sure they are beneficial if you don't get it through fish etc


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Re: Supplements [Re: hpi]
    #10255059 - 04/29/09 12:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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No we do not have Walgreens, down here anyway.

Amphetamine = best supplement. I swear by it for cardio

Ephedrine and caffeine are weak, amphetamine is way better


Omega 3,6 and 9 capsules aren't a scam, I'm pretty sure they are beneficial if you don't get it through fish etc




i was weary about taking ephedrine so i dont think amphetamine are a good choice for me :P


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Re: Supplements [Re: Monkee]
    #10255223 - 04/29/09 01:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

amphetamine is much easier on the mind and body than ephedrine in my opinion

ephedrine seems to tweak my body out much more


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Re: Supplements [Re: AgingHippy]
    #10255238 - 04/29/09 01:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Amphetamine = best supplement.




If you can call amph a supplement, you can call testosterone a supplement, right?

I would have to argue that testosterone attached to an ester is a better supplement than speed in the long-run, imo.


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