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Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum.
#10242102 - 04/27/09 11:14 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Throw out the concept of spirituality, it's too vague a term when used around here.
I could not agree more. Give it to the Mystery forum and let them work it out.
I'm serious, "spirituality" really dosen't belong in a debate oriented forum.
Just consider how this forum would calm down into mostly high quality debate.
Think on this Geokills.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Icelander]
#10242184 - 04/27/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just consider how this forum would calm down into mostly high quality debate.
So without the spiritualists to debate against, what are you philosophers going to debate?
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: DieCommie]
#10242299 - 04/27/09 11:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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deranger said: Or how about Philosophy and Awareness, then Mysticism and Religion. Throw out the concept of spirituality, it's too vague a term when used around here. Most just correlate spirituality with religion, so I don't think spirituality belongs here. Though something like "awareness", or "self-awareness" would work because it goes hand in hand with philosophical pondering IMO.
It would be nice to have a forum where we can discuss methods of becoming more self-aware. Changing the name to Philosophy & Debate would not be suitable for those kinds of discussions. And I don't think discussing methods of self-reflection belongs in the Mysticism forum, as they are completely different things.
Philosophy and Psychology would be an apt title, IMO. You are right, a lot of discussion is revolving around the nature of mind, perceptions, experiences... Psychology fits quite well with Philosophy, considering the relationship between the mind, its nature, and how philosophy happens.
Emphasizing "debate" in the title doesn't seem too fitting, IMO. I also think that it would be an unwise move to drop the no personalisms rule from the forum. Personalisms just get far too much in the way of the productive discussion of ideas.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: fireworks_god]
#10242464 - 04/27/09 12:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Philosophy and Psychology sounds good to me.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: DieCommie]
#10242514 - 04/27/09 12:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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That sounds good. Spirituality should have its own forum that no one ever goes into.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: DieCommie]
#10242521 - 04/27/09 12:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just consider how this forum would calm down into mostly high quality debate.
So without the spiritualists to debate against, what are you philosophers going to debate?
I want to debate human psychology.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Icelander]
#10242567 - 04/27/09 12:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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But aren't you forgetting something?
Might as well lose our indulgence in the vagueness of so called "philosophy" as well, that "Love of wisdom".
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: daytripper23]
#10242622 - 04/27/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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In english, please?
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Icelander]
#10242739 - 04/27/09 01:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm fine with this so long as we can still debate about spirituality if we want to. After all the OP is making a definitive claim about metaphysics; he is saying that spirituality cannot hold its own in a fair battle of ideas, a philosophical version of the aethyr of the scientists. What would be ideal is a forum dedicated to discussion of any and all intellectual topics, ranging from psychology to philosophy to religion to spirituality to mysticism; and of course I advocate the lifting of the no personalism rule. Let there be another forum for mystic-heads who don't want their ideas challenged by free range discussion.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243068 - 04/27/09 02:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said: What would be ideal is a forum dedicated to discussion of any and all intellectual topics, ranging from psychology to philosophy to religion to spirituality to mysticism; and of course I advocate the lifting of the no personalism rule. Let there be another forum for mystic-heads who don't want their ideas challenged by free range discussion.
On everything but the personalisms issue, I definitely agree. Emphasizing psychology would be great because it really represents a lot of discussion that happens in the forum, not to mention how many psychologists and psychology students are found posting there. Philosophy, of course, still covers any ideological topic, so there's no problems with not being able to discuss spirituality. In the past, I felt that it was important to keep that word in the title, because it represents a kind of essence in the forum, but lately I've been thinking it would be best to get it out of there, because of the vast amount of people it confuses. Explicitly representing, however, the science of the mind and of behavior would not only underscore the great chunk of such discussion already taking place, but hopefully steer the forum a little more in that direction and a little less in the baseless beliefs direction.
On the personalisms rule, what the hell, it wouldn't bother me personally to see it go, but what would bother me to see disappear is, at least the pretense of civility, if not civility itself. I can shrug off insults and baseless assumptions being brandished about regarding my personal nature, but it can often get in the way of real discussion of the real ideas far, far too much. The personalisms issue has one deep fat root in the split of S&P....
I'd be much more in favor of a stipulation much like OTD: The enforcement of the no personalisms rule will be much more relaxed, but enforcement is still at moderator's discretion. This can open up a lot of room for getting into the territory of why a poster might hold an idea, allowing debate on poster's personal psychology (which will fit will with adding Psychology to the title ), but allow the moderators full privilege to intervene when the personalisms are nothing more than "You're a moron; no, YOU'RE a moron" type shit that is much more pointless.
Compromise?
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: fireworks_god]
#10243117 - 04/27/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol philosophers quibbling over semantiks
spirituality, religion, metaphysics it's all the same horseshit really and all debated in philosophy it's really redundant to call it Philosophy & Spirituality when spirituality is something philosophers quibble about anyways
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: fireworks_god]
#10243534 - 04/27/09 03:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: On the personalisms rule, what the hell, it wouldn't bother me personally to see it go, but what would bother me to see disappear is, at least the pretense of civility, if not civility itself.
I'd rather do away with the pretense than adhere to a mandated code of verboten speech, to be honest. Those who wish to have civil discussions can do so by ignoring people who are constantly insulting them; those who don't will eventually tire of their tactics or even be shocked when people have the chance to respond with with a brief burst of flaming invective when before it had to be subtly masked behind the garb of talking about ideas rather than posters.
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fireworks_god said: I'd be much more in favor of a stipulation much like OTD: The enforcement of the no personalisms rule will be much more relaxed, but enforcement is still at moderator's discretion. This can open up a lot of room for getting into the territory of why a poster might hold an idea, allowing debate on poster's personal psychology (which will fit will with adding Psychology to the title ), but allow the moderators full privilege to intervene when the personalisms are nothing more than "You're a moron; no, YOU'RE a moron" type shit that is much more pointless.
I would too; a benevolent oligarchy if you will. However, I'm not so sure the majority of P&Sers would buy this sort of unlicensed power of the moderators and lack of any rules to adhere to in case of an unfair interference or murky maybe-personalism.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243586 - 04/27/09 03:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's there to debate about spirituality/mysticism? There are many things to discuss about it but debate without reason is pointless. Discussion of personal experience, yes but not debate.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10243618 - 04/27/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: Discussion of personal experience, yes but not debate.
Personal experience plus logic produces both discussion and debate. If two separate personal experiences contradict each other, this obviously implies something about metaphysics and ontology as a whole, whether it be the theory that we each perceive through separate reality tunnels, that one individual's personal experience is superior to the other for x, y, and z reasons, or even that both spiritual frameworks founded on different phenomenological accounts can mutually coexist in some sort of possible worlds scenario.
I think the distinction between discussion and debate is fundamentally flawed. When we discuss philosophy, mysticism, and spiritual our ultimate intent is to wrestle out truth wherever it may lie. Why throw out discussion based on logical argumentation (ie debate) in this noble pursuit?
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243631 - 04/27/09 03:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would too; a benevolent oligarchy if you will. However, I'm not so sure the majority of P&Sers would buy this sort of unlicensed power of the moderators and lack of any rules to adhere to in case of an unfair interference or murky maybe-personalism.
I wouldn't think that it would be as though the moderator would have "unlicensed" power, however. A great system is in place to ensure that moderator judgment is being recorded to be reviewed by the administration, and between natural checks from posters and the fact that what constitutes fair decisions are typically recognized as being so by the administration, I should think that it would be only rare occasions when there would be a problem.
I'm simply saying that the function of the forum can be very detrimentally affected if there isn't some kind of reasonable line to draw when it comes to garbage developing that just doesn't have any sense of being there. I can understand discussing the personal nature of other posters when it comes out naturally from discussing the ideas, but I don't see needing to run the forum through the gutter to not exercise what will be recognized as a common sense decision when it comes to managing stuff that has no place in philosophical discussion. I understand loosening the collar but I don't understand letting it fall into complete discord. After all, the disclaimer is there even for OTD.
I mean, how far do you want to relax the rules in the forum? You mentioned flaming earlier... Are you saying that it will be allowed for posters to call each other morons? "Hey, you're fucking stupid for thinking that"?
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243645 - 04/27/09 03:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I'm fine with this so long as we can still debate about spirituality if we want to. After all the OP is making a definitive claim about metaphysics; he is saying that spirituality cannot hold its own in a fair battle of ideas, a philosophical version of the aethyr of the scientists. What would be ideal is a forum dedicated to discussion of any and all intellectual topics, ranging from psychology to philosophy to religion to spirituality to mysticism; and of course I advocate the lifting of the no personalism rule. Let there be another forum for mystic-heads who don't want their ideas challenged by free range discussion.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243655 - 04/27/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fair cop.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
#10243700 - 04/27/09 04:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Philosophy & Psychology has my vote.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243782 - 04/27/09 04:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: On the personalisms rule, what the hell, it wouldn't bother me personally to see it go, but what would bother me to see disappear is, at least the pretense of civility, if not civility itself.
I'd rather do away with the pretense than adhere to a mandated code of verboten speech, to be honest. Those who wish to have civil discussions can do so by ignoring people who are constantly insulting them; those who don't will eventually tire of their tactics or even be shocked when people have the chance to respond with with a brief burst of flaming invective when before it had to be subtly masked behind the garb of talking about ideas rather than posters.
Agreed. The ignore feature is a wonderful thing.
I think people should be able to speak what they want, even if it means getting personal. Sometimes getting personal can lead to getting to the root of the issue being discussed, I have seen it happen before.
This isn't to say I advocate personalisms, I just think that those who are offended by them should use the ignore feature, and those who don't mind getting personal with each other should be able to do so openly.
It's not like P&S would turn into OTD, only a minority of the posters in P&S use direct or indirect personalisms frequently.
Plus, it would add plenty of entertainment.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: fireworks_god]
#10243859 - 04/27/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: I wouldn't think that it would be as though the moderator would have "unlicensed" power, however. A great system is in place
That's your opinion, it don't go for everyone. One man's great system is another man's flawed system.
Like I said before, only a minority of the posters in P&S use personalisms frequently. Let them be ignored.
A sticky would work, stating, "if you don't like how you are being treated by other posters use the ignore feature. do not notify a mod or admin."
If someone is too attached to their emotions and gets offended over words on the internet, maybe P&S isn't the place for them.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deranger]
#10243897 - 04/27/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think you need to go that far. I think the forum would operate quite well on the principle that if you get too nasty, you might get a warning from a mod. Just any other forum here (other than OTD or SA).
The P&S forum's "no personalisms" rule is exactly the same as those in other forums, it's just more rigorously enforced. I don't think that's necessary.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: daytripper23]
#10243973 - 04/27/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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daytripper23 said: But aren't you forgetting something?
Might as well lose our indulgence in the vagueness of so called "philosophy" as well, that "Love of wisdom".
You are right. Lets just make it psychology. That would be hog heaven for me.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Icelander]
#10243977 - 04/27/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe it's hopeless to get the discrepancies and similarities of spirituality and philosophy gotten discussed out more clear.
From the metaphysical standpoint there is all reason to keep it like it is, while philosophy once 'adulated' from spirituality, as they both had been one subject before. Philosophy included 'spirituality'/theology and then as science was on its way into the brains of people, philosophy became scientific and separated from spirituality. There even is a thought game involved, as the theologians hoped, that science was that, what was unchangeable by men and so they hoped to discern fraud from what was made by god (science). There is such a strong overlapping region and it yet isn't discussed out, so I strongly propose to keep it as it is. Not only change because a few don't see the great potential behind that discourse. Just my cents.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: zouden]
#10243978 - 04/27/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good point. It's that "rigorous enforcement" that is flawed, it makes the moderators look biased at times. Mods have friends and enemies and will pick on their enemies more so than their friends. I have witnessed this many times in the past and this is why I oppose F_G's idea of P&S being a good system. There is much room for improvement.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10243985 - 04/27/09 04:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I'm fine with this so long as we can still debate about spirituality if we want to. After all the OP is making a definitive claim about metaphysics; he is saying that spirituality cannot hold its own in a fair battle of ideas, a philosophical version of the aethyr of the scientists. What would be ideal is a forum dedicated to discussion of any and all intellectual topics, ranging from psychology to philosophy to religion to spirituality to mysticism; and of course I advocate the lifting of the no personalism rule. Let there be another forum for mystic-heads who don't want their ideas challenged by free range discussion.
We tried this to an extent when we were "all one" with the mystery forum, but they whined and whined all day and night and so we got divorced (praise de laud).
As far as I'm concerned, as most define it here, spirituality is a myth.
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Edited by Icelander (04/27/09 04:42 PM)
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Icelander]
#10244113 - 04/27/09 04:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why not call it the "Philosophical Debate" forum.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Poid]
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deranger]
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Poid said: Why not call it the "Philosophical Debate" forum.
This is what I originally suggested.
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fireworks_god said: I mean, how far do you want to relax the rules in the forum? You mentioned flaming earlier... Are you saying that it will be allowed for posters to call each other morons? "Hey, you're fucking stupid for thinking that"?
I personally would not be offended if someone said that to me, nor do I think we should act as nannies and prevent people from saying what they want to say. I think one's credibility, mental acumen, and worthiness as a debate opponent will shine regardless of how many attempts at ineffectual duct tape are applied to one's posts; why should we have to protect ourselves against mere words?
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deranger said: Like I said before, only a minority of the posters in P&S use personalisms frequently. Let them be ignored.
A sticky would work, stating, "if you don't like how you are being treated by other posters use the ignore feature. do not notify a mod or admin."
If someone is too attached to their emotions and gets offended over words on the internet, maybe P&S isn't the place for them.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
#10244329 - 04/27/09 05:31 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes drop the rules I want to make some reductionists fucking cry.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: deCypher]
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Middleman said: I like "Philosophy and Logic" but I really don't give a fuck.
We tried this last year, remember?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7944593#7944593
That was before I joined.
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Poid said: Why not call it the "Philosophical Debate" forum.
This is what I originally suggested.
Well, great! One of the P&S moderators agrees with this title, so let's do it!
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Poid]
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I meant to reply to Ice. We try this every year. You guys don't realize how hard it is to get a forum changed.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Middleman]
#10245526 - 04/27/09 08:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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What does it take, a democratic election?
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Middleman]
#10245583 - 04/27/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So are we making any progress? What would that look like? Do you moderators have any weight in this?
Not that I really care about the name, this just seems like a vehicle for the personalism thing.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Poid]
#10245586 - 04/27/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yep, I set up a name change poll last year in P&S but the measure failed.
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Middleman]
#10245726 - 04/27/09 09:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the administration just doesn't see how making change is worth it. We need to convince them that it is!
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Middleman
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Poid]
#10245922 - 04/27/09 09:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Set up a poll in P&S, if it wins Ythan will hook it up.
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Poid
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Middleman]
#10246356 - 04/27/09 10:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really, did he say that?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Middleman
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Poid]
#10246530 - 04/27/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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No but if there's consensus support, admin will usually comply.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Get the "spirituality" out of the debate forum. [Re: Icelander]
#10252175 - 04/28/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Just consider how this forum would calm down into mostly high quality debate.
If only it were that simple. I can understand why members not inclined towards spirituality would want it removed from the title. I imagine just seeing it makes them skeeve. Still, I agree. The word serves no useless purpose in the title.
That way when some poor bastard comes asking for a prayer request because a loved one is dying he won't be met by callous assholes questioning his faith or his motive for prayer.
We've had too much of that for far too long. Shades of Albino Jesus
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