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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238216 - 04/26/09 06:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: What is your proof that there is no God?
How does believing in God make God exist?
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Poid said: WTF is God?
You're the one who said that there is no God.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238269 - 04/26/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't even know what God is; many different people give me many different descriptions of this phenomenon, and since nobody seems to know what they're talking about (because nobody agrees), I am forced to conclude that there is no God. It's just a made up "thing", one that I have absolutely no use for.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238276 - 04/26/09 06:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you have concluded the non-existence of something even though you don't even know what it is that you think you've proven the non-existence of?
That makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238288 - 04/26/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, I've concluded that God isn't real (partly) because nobody knows what it is.
And that's why I asked you, WTF is God!!!
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238294 - 04/26/09 06:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You made the claim that God doesn't exist, and saying "I don't know what it is and no one can agree on it" is not a disproof of anything.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238311 - 04/26/09 06:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you want me to claim that I know that something exists, even though neither I or anybody else knows what that something is?
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238330 - 04/26/09 06:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, you claimed that God does not exist. And i asked for proof, and you said you didnt even know what "God" means, or is supposed to imply. So i'm asking how you can be sure something doesn't exist if you don't even know what you're supposed to disprove.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238349 - 04/26/09 06:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: So i'm asking how you can be sure something doesn't exist if you don't even know what you're supposed to disprove.
I can't be sure that it doesn't exist, and I can't be sure that it does exist. I can't be sure about anything, really, but I am logically inclined to believe that it doesn't exist.
God is just a phenomenon that is talked about between humans; nobody knows what it is, and nobody can explain what it is. Logic denotes that God is made up, much like everything else in the book called The Holy Bible.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238356 - 04/26/09 06:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: So i'm asking how you can be sure something doesn't exist if you don't even know what you're supposed to disprove.
I can't be sure that it doesn't exist, and I can't be sure that it does exist. I can't be sure about anything, really, but I am logically inclined to believe that it doesn't exist.
God is just a phenomenon that is talked about between humans; nobody knows what it is, and nobody can explain what it is. Logic denotes that God is made up, much like everything else in the book called The Holy Bible.
No actually, you are not logically inclined to believe that God doesn't exist because you cannot logically prove or disprove the existence of God. See: Appeal to ignorance, Appeal to unqualified Authority, etc.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238377 - 04/26/09 06:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wasn't born with knowledge of God, I didn't create this idea, it is a phenomenon that is talked about by many of the humans on this planet, which by the way were also not born with the knowledge of God, and were also born into an environment where many of the other humans talked about it.
Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny. Need I even mention these characters? Need I conduct a philosophical investigation regarding their existence?
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238397 - 04/26/09 07:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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How do you conclude that if Santa Claus doesn't exist that God does not exist?
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238405 - 04/26/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They are essentially the same thing; just a made up, apparently unfalsifiable phenomenon.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238409 - 04/26/09 07:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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learningtofly said:
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learningtofly said: What is your proof that there is no God?
How does believing in God make God exist?
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Poid said: WTF is God?
You're the one who said that there is no God.
That which has been prevented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Lion]
#10238414 - 04/26/09 07:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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...is basically what I was getting at.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238431 - 04/26/09 07:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you referring to the prima facie case? In this case, Poid presented that God does not exist. I did not present the idea that God does exist. Poid offered no evidence, so I dismissed his case without evidence.
There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of God because no one on earth has access to God
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238442 - 04/26/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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"There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of God because no one on earth has access to God"
WTF is God?
By mentioning "access to God", you are claiming that there is a God.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238448 - 04/26/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can't prove the nonexistence of Santa Clause, therefore, I will continue to believe in Santa Clause and dismiss your case without evidence.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Poid]
#10238451 - 04/26/09 07:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't understand why you keep insisting that I define God when you're the one who asserted that God doesn't exist. The affirmative has to define the terms that he/she is using. AKA That's on you, buddy.
No, I am not claiming it, that would be implying it. And what I meant was that no one can prove the existence of god because no one has access to god and no one can disprove the existence of god because they have no access to any information pertaining to the existence or nonexistence of god
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: Trepiodos]
#10238453 - 04/26/09 07:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Trepiodos said: You can't prove the nonexistence of Santa Clause, therefore, I will continue to believe in Santa Clause and dismiss your case without evidence.
My parents told me Santa Claus doesn't exist after I caught them placing gifts under the Christmas tree.
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Re: Could God create an equal or greater God? [Re: learningtofly]
#10238462 - 04/26/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid can't prove the nonexistence of The Easter Bunny, therefore, I will dismiss his case without evidence.
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