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    #1023702 - 11/05/02 11:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

My pf cakes are rock hard, i went to grate one up to put it in horse poo this morning, and i couldn't believe it. I can't see how mycelium could possibly penetrate it. i used semi-coarse verm, brown rice i ground myself, and i just tamped it on the table when preparing, i just don't understand what could have gone wrong... or is this somewhat normal?


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: trancefishy]
    #1023767 - 11/05/02 12:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like it's dry. Cakes can be very hard to break up depending how well the mycelium ran through out it. Also, I wouldn't tamp it down too much if at all when preparing. You want the mycelium to be able to penetrate and colonize the entire jar as easily as possible.
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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: Bruiser]
    #1023772 - 11/05/02 12:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

My next batch I will prepare differently. New vermiculite, and I may even try the actual brown rice flour at the store. Maybe it won't get some gummy when cooked.


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: trancefishy]
    #1023811 - 11/05/02 12:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Maybe it won't get some gummy when cooked."

you didn't cook the brown rice, did you?


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: Bilge]
    #1023838 - 11/05/02 12:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well, it esentially got cooked when I sterilized it the first time. My first 4 jars (that were rock hard), I boiled for 2 full hours, since I live at 7000 ft and was afraid of contams. then I got a pc, and use that for 25 minutes @ 15 psi. those were hard, but not quite as hard as the first two...


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: Bilge]
    #1023848 - 11/05/02 12:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Stick with grinding your own. So long as you don't mind putting the effort into it. Plus you can customize your powdered nutes. I at one point in time was working on the right blend of Brown Rice Flour, Rye Flour, Soy Bean Meal, and Millet (Flour? or would that as well be a meal?) with soem added powdered malt. But then I moved on to the wonderful world of whole grains. But if your not there yet keep grinding your own. If anyhting it should only produce BETTER results than store bought.

Your hard cakes are probaly a result of an imbalanced moisture content (a bit dry) with the tamping. Your prepared substrate for these jars (BRF Vermic jars) should be described as moist and fluffy. What ratios of Water/Vermic/BRF did you use (the answer to your question may lie in the answer to mine)


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: Teon]
    #1023888 - 11/05/02 12:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

It was very moist and fluffy when it went in. 1/2 cup verm mixed with 1/4 cup water, mixed, then i sprinkled 1/4 cup BRF and stirred it with a fork.


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: trancefishy]
    #1023951 - 11/05/02 12:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

That doesnt really sound too bad. Lot of my cakes end up really dry and hard by the time I go to use them as spawn. I've never really had a problem with that. Once they are in the poo, the lil crumbs spring to life. Good luck


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Re: rock hard cakes [Re: Floydseamus]
    #1024069 - 11/05/02 01:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

i would try using maybe 2/3 cup vermiculite since it'll make the cakes more airy and easier to break up. dont alter any of the other ingredents & you should be fine. most cake recipes dont count on them being broken up after innoculation.

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