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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: Poid]
    #10238180 - 04/26/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Gravitation by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne and John Archibald Wheeler

or any other book on general relativity for that matter.

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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: JesusII]
    #10238202 - 04/26/09 06:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You completely fail to understand that there are bounds within which you have a strong degree of confidence on predictions made by this or that theory. Does that make them altogether wrong ?

You're setting a straw man on what science is about to further your attempt at tempered solipsism. Be my guest.

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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: deimya]
    #10238210 - 04/26/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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deimya said:
Gravitation by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne and John Archibald Wheeler

or any other book on general relativity for that matter.




I don't think that proves the existence of high accuracy inter-planetary missiles.


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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: deimya]
    #10238215 - 04/26/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Gravitation by Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne and John Archibald Wheeler

or any other book on general relativity for that matter.



I mean, do you have a link that we can all read that supports what you said earlier?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: deimya]
    #10238226 - 04/26/09 06:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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deimya said:
You completely fail to understand that there are bounds within which you have a strong degree of confidence on predictions made by this or that theory. Does that make them altogether wrong ?

You're setting a straw man on what science is about to further your attempt at tempered solipsism. Be my guest.




That is not at all what I'm doing.

All major understanding of the world is eventually proven wrong. Examples, motion of the cosmos, rotation of the planets, shape of the earth, size of the universe, atomic structure, genetics - specifically the belief in sects of eugenics, medical treatment, psychological treatment, and neurology to name few - and the list goes on.

So I am just stating science like it is, a means to an end - but it always ends up being wrong.


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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: Poid]
    #10238260 - 04/26/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No, but I'm sure one could end up on a website by some dude starting from google and "Newtonian physics accuracy and precision", if that's what you take as source.

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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: deimya]
    #10238277 - 04/26/09 06:36 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno, what you said earlier isn't something that is common knowledge, so that's why I asked you to provide a source for it.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: JesusII]
    #10238367 - 04/26/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The thing is that you seem to ask of our understanding, and scientific understand in particular, that it produces "facts". It doesn't. The world is that which is the case and that's more than enough. Does it bothers you that the picture we have of electron-nucleus system as laying in certain definite energy states might change in the future ? Does it make you uncomfortable to know that nothing is knowable exactly ?

Maybe it's just that I think "understanding", "knowledge" and "facts" are overrated signs, in a world obsessed with technology and science, which we unfortunately came to recognized, by a weird turn of event, as factually true things that exist in themselves and not as forms of human activity. The map for the territory again I guess.

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Re: The Paradox of Accepting What "Is" [Re: JesusII]
    #10239216 - 04/26/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Scientific theory claims to very accurately measure and predict events in certain situations, but not all situations.  When a new theory comes a long with a completely new picture of how things "work" and is able to measure more accurately and in more situations it does not mean that the old scientific theory is proven wrong.  The old theory did what it "said" it would do.

Humble Physicists will never think that they are painting a perfect picture of reality.  All they are doing is improving on and changing models/tools for measuring and predicting things, leave the picture painting for the philosophers.

I do find it interesting from a sociological perspective to look at "morality" evolve through history and realize that it is still evolving.  Ideas once widely accepted are now held as false.  The same will be true of the present day and age.  Some day high school kids will read about us in history class: how we got locked up for smoking weed, and how you where not allowed to grow hemp in America.  They will laugh at the idiocy of our generation, but they themselves will get laughed at someday. 

Maybe this is the next step in the evolution of our understanding of what is "right" and what is "wrong" or what is "true" and what is "false."  If we consciously realize that future generations will not believe the same things we do, and with good reason, then perhaps, empowered by the this knowledge, we began to evolve our ideas even faster.

There is no definite "truth" that can be understood by humans, and there never will be until some unforeseen expansion of our consciousness takes place.  Every answer raises two questions.


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