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Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching?
    #10225440 - 04/24/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So I went to a local stable yesterday and walked around the outside of the pile only picking up the lightest and fluffiest nuggets possible until my rubbermaid was full.  I noticed that when I broke some of them open, they were slightly green and damp inside.  I haven't even nocced up my jars yet so what I am wondering is, is it ok to just take my tub outside in sunny, dry weather and crumble those nuggets up on an inverted tub lid in the sun and let them sun bake whenever possible?  I have read all about leeching but I would like to preserve the nutes in my poo as much as possible while still making sure all the ammonia is gone.  This is GREAT poo BTW, all half-digested straw nuggets!  :wink:  Anyway, it doesn't reek as it is right now, and all of the nuggets are dry except for some have a kinda green core, but it still kinda has that horse smell, which tells me it's not quite ready.


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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10226170 - 04/24/09 01:21 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

BUMP with an update
So I've been going out to my poo tub and breaking up the nuggets and kinda fluffing them in the sun.  There is virtually no moisture in the tub or on the poo.  It is dry enough that straw dust flutters around and I don't get any moisture on my hands and the poo crumbles easily.  The only thing that I am concerned about is the smell.  It doesn't reek, but it just smells like a horse stable.  I have always heard that it should just smell like dirt but I'm wondering how anal I need to be about my dry horse poo.  Like I said, I am hypothesizing that this method is superior to leeching if you have the time to do it because you aren't rinsing nutes but seriously, it's a big tub of horse shit.  Will it ever not smell like horses?


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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10226222 - 04/24/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

no, you still need to pasterize 14o- 160F for an hour even if they are fully dry and crisy, its bound to contam otherwise;

your best best is "Large_doses Coir tek "(for poo as well) and if you don't wanna lose nutes search "oven bag pasterization tek" that way you get your sub at field capitiy 1st load into oven bags and keep at required temps for an hour to an hour half. both these teks are tried and tested, and work lovely jubbly. good luck. you could also add 10% spent fresh coffee grounds to your poo to add nitrogen.Its all good.


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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10226232 - 04/24/09 01:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

1, sun-drying is definitely what you need to do
2, you HAVE to leech it.

lay all the poo out on a tarp in a sunny area, spray it down with a water hose every couple days.

if you don't leech that ammonia out then you will have contams and your house will stink like shit.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: FractalXplora]
    #10226279 - 04/24/09 01:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I never said I wasn't going to pasteurize.  I plan to pasteurize in quart jars.  The question was regarding leeching BEFORE pasteurizing to make the poo more hospitable to fungi and less stinky for an indoor box.  From what I understand, even pasteurized hpoo, if picked fresh and wet from the pile, is not ideal for a good grow.  So in summary, DUH to pasteurization, the question is: is a good few bakes in the sun sufficient to evaporate all the bad stuff or do I still need to run water through it?  I'm trying to avoid having to leech the poo first.


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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10226288 - 04/24/09 01:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

So optx says leeching is a must no matter what.  Any other opinions?


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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: FractalXplora]
    #10226302 - 04/24/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

what I did cause I had the same problem was soke the poo in a large bucket for a few minutes, Then put poo on a wheel barrel to dry out in the sun cause it gets to mid 90 this time of year were I live. You can save to water for your garden if you have one. But you don't have to use dry poo, thats only to make sure if was not sprayed with fungicide.  I know for a fact were I get my poo is never sprayed with fungicide or any other chemicals cause I live next door to the field and I know the people.  I only dry my poo to get all the bugs out,  bugs dont live in dryed out poo they need that wet moist doo doo. But either way you don't have to use dry poo cause you pasteurize it anyways.

O yea I sprayed it like once a week when it was on the wheel barrel with water.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: riosricky]
    #10226365 - 04/24/09 01:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

OK, I don't think my message is getting across very well, which may be my wording.  I realize that wet/dry doesn't matter since I am rehydrating and pasteurizing.  Water content is not my concern.  Urea and ammonia content is my concern.  Will complete evaporation of all of the poo's moisture take care of this concern, or will leeching still be necessary.  To clarify, can ammonia and urea be 'rehydrated' or can I just let it get super dry and know that it's all good?  The reason I ask is, I live in an area where it's not the coolest move to go laying tarps or wheelbarrows of poo all over the place and doing so would raise some brows.  Right now, I have it in a nice, neat, INCONSPICUOUS little rubbermaid on the back porch, and I open the lid when it's sunny and sift through it to break up the nuggets, and let it all get dry.  If I REALLY need to, I could get away with modifying a tub with some drain holes and leech small amounts of the poo at a time as needed as this second tub would be inconspicuous as well.  I just don't want to do it if it isn't necessary to get rid of the nasties(ammonia and urea).  Thanks for the input guys.  I appreciate hearing all of the opinions expressed.


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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10226381 - 04/24/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Roger Rabbit to the rescue!  Shoulda searched more I guess, but I had been reading posts about hpoo leaching for a couple hours before I found what I was looking for.

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All you need to do is lay it in the sun for a week or two until the ammonia flashes off, and then it's ready to hydrate and use.  I've never 'leached' any manure.
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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10226450 - 04/24/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd put it off for a day or two at least.  Ammonia really needs to evaporate rather than be washed away.  I like to use field aged manure, that has been rained on and had the sun bake it.  At least break it apart and spread it out in the sun tomorrow and rotate it a few times.  After that hydrate and use.  Don't use though if there's still any ammonia smell.

If you have to use it tomorrow, pick out the nuggets that are fully dry and don't stink, and then let the rest age for awhile.
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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: BaKeRx561x420]
    #10226694 - 04/24/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

For semi fresh poo, I think it's a good idea to spray with a hose every few days, dry, repeat for a month or so.


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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Mysterium Fidei]
    #10227056 - 04/24/09 03:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

ive used poo straight from the field by choosing really old, flakey and bleached lumps, no prep except pasturization. if i can only get slighty fresher stuff i put it in a pillow case, submerge in a bucket for an hour, drain and squeeze all water out with a weight like a rock. empty the big nugget onto a bin liner and flake out, i dry this in a greenhouse.

field aged poo is better IMO.


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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: DeadDog]
    #10228872 - 04/24/09 09:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It sounds like my best bet is to just "field age" it on my back porch until ready.  Like I said, haven't even nocc'd any jars.  Just trying to get my poo ready.  Whenever I feel like 'getting involved' in my garden I just go to the big rubbermaid and sift through and break up all the nuggets till I just have powder and then make sure I keep sifting that around in the sun now and then to make sure it's dry as shit.  haha, dry as shit....:stoned:


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You ever seen that movie Constantine.  Well they pass into hell several times.  In hell there are melting human bodies, in your tub are melting mushroom bodies.  Your tub had passed into mushroom hell.

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Re: Sun-Drying h/poo instead of leeching? [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10228983 - 04/24/09 10:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm glad you found that old post of mine, so I don't have to repeat it here.  Leeching is counter-productive.  Just let the sun do the work for you, and then re-hydrate and pasteurize at 140F to 160F for an hour.  You might also take a look at this page and video.  Add gypsum before you hydrate/pasteurize at five to ten percent by volume.
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