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Offlinespewed 4th
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the need for violence
    #1020935 - 11/04/02 02:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

we need violence--it's not so much the need for violence but it is the need to able to be violent if we so choose to be--the ONLY way to end violence would be to extinguish free will, and no amount of non-violent tactics, no amount of gun control, and no amount of mass arming of citizenry will accomplish a society without violence
--being non-violent will only end violence among the non-violent
--when the right to be violent is taken away, the right to be fat, the right to sleep late, the right to cultivate, the right to discipline your child(ren),and the right to smoke among many other aspects of life that some feel are inappropriate will be banished as well

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Re: the need for violence [Re: spewed 4th]
    #1020985 - 11/04/02 02:43 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you're saying, that we can not have the good without the bad.....
We can have no light without darkness.


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    #1021114 - 11/04/02 03:14 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: the need for violence [Re: ]
    #1021316 - 11/04/02 04:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

true ... you dont know your freedom is being taken away, then you dont feel bad about not having it.

but being human is all about emotion. hate is a natural emotion ... society changes it targets over time, it's dynamic. the reason some of us , if not all, love life so much is because it can be ripped away from us at any moment. if you rid hate you would also have to rid of greed and jealousy. these are the very things we dont want to be or too much but then again are sometimes the root of ambition, improvement, and change.

its the whole yingyang sort of thing. its all negative & positives

i.e.

dislike/like - hate/ love - loathe/adore

its likes randomness that seem to keep it going ... just imagine if we were at peace at the moment ... so it goes on forever just like this. most often cases what you really hate you strive against it.



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Re: the need for violence [Re: Kemist]
    #1022568 - 11/04/02 11:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i think the tao stabilizes the yin and yang, cause in your mind it can get chaotic if you dont know how to wield it, but use the tao you can master its essence... i dont know if thats where you were headed in your post but i agree with the dynamic structure... i think people just have to stop using scape goats for worldy problems and DO something to change it instead of just letting it sit and there and be like well shit it looks like we cant do anything. i mean you cant say that you need rape to not have rape its simple judgement and the willingness and ability to control yourself, to say we must have violence is to give into that which violence produces and adds to the chain of violence, defending yourself in tight situations doesnt really apply, it comes down to how far can you go being hurt before you abandonden your beliefs and defend yourself, but then again thats your choice and i think these are exceptions and situations in life we must learn to deal with and be prepared for but dont dwell on(because naturalyl our society isnt ready for piece theyll die at the drop of a hat). and to go along with

- you dont know your freedom is being taken away, then you dont feel bad about not having it.

this is how the system in Brave New World worked ... i cant explain enough about Aldous Huxely . if you havent read him look him up.. the doors of perception island many other. please read if you have not these are some of the most intellectually stimulating books of our time if you can really understand them and hes an excellent writer if you havent read him check it out ! :smile: 


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Re: the need for violence [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1022971 - 11/05/02 03:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You do not need violence. Self defence is different then violence but the point to where you are in controll of the situation. If you do not stop and collect your thoughts again and you continue to beat a man, then yes you now have turned Self defence into violence. But when you have controll again and you stop the agresser then that is how we will achieve a somewhat peaceful place.


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Re: the need for violence [Re: GrowingVines]
    #1037897 - 11/09/02 01:08 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i must be really vague and ambiguous. i agree with you lol :smile:


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