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Azures INDOOR/OUTDOOR UPDATED!! * 1
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I?ll write this thread in english and german (for all poor german and austrians like me!!))


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Described in English [Re: mobyd] * 1
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But first stick to english:

Materils needed:

Mycelium of azurescens
Wood chips ( i don?t know which wood i got it from the saw mill)
Rye
Water
Pressure cooker
trays (I took some made of polystyrene)
jars (with filter lids --> tyvek works great!)
maybe a syringe (for mycelium syringes)
wet Cardboard (put the cardboard in COLD water for 15 min.)
A Bush?!? :-))
a terrarium
a glas or a plastic lid for the terrarium


I got this strain in Mai from "Lisa" (a friend of mine) and made some mycelium syringes.

First i  took about 2 kilograms of rye and boiled it in water (1-1.5 hours) till they have enough water content. I put the grains into 8 jars and inoculated them with the liquid mycelia. About two weeks later the jars were fully colonized.

I took the colonised jars and mixed them !!unsterile!! with wood chips (the wood chips were soaked in water for 1 day) in a polystyrene (we call this "styropor" i dunno if there?s the same word in english) tray. The trays are ?bout 60x40cm (-> 23,6x 15,7 inches)

I put the trays outdoor with a lid (no light to the mycelium) and added water every 2 weeks. In the end of juni the wood chips were fully colonized. I was wondering how fast the mycelium grew!!!

I took some wood chips and put them on a wet cardboard to have some mycelia in automn:



This is the outdoor Tek:   

I placed the trays (without lid of course!) under a bush and watered them if needed.
In the end of september/begin of Oktober the first shrooms grew.

I made a few pics:








Then there was nothing till halloween......
On 31th Oktober the second flush began to fruit:










These little babies are still growing!!!
It is not as difficult as i thought.....

  Now the INDOOR TEK: 

I placed one tray into my terrarium added some water (for the humidity I think some water also becomes vapor by this temperatur).

Here?s a pic of my Indoor setup:



The terrarium is placed in my cellar where the temperatur is as cold as outside ?cause of the broken window  :blush: .
On the 2nd of Nvember the indoor tray also began to fruit (only a few Mushrooms but better a few than no mushhroms):








I?ll take some photos the next days, so you can watch them grow......

I have to say sorry for this low quality pics.......

I hope my english wasn?t too bad so you understand everything ....

mobyd


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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens INDOOR and OUTDOOR [Re: mobyd]
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Sehr gut!!!

Joshua


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Deutsche Version [Re: mobyd]
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Ja also meine lieben Deutschsprachigen Kollegen. Nach diesem kl?glichen Versuch einen Growreport auf Engisch zu verfassen hab ich beschlossen den Report auch auf deutsch online zu stellen.
Dieser Bericht ist weitaus detaillierter beschrieben, da ich ja doch besser Deutsch als Englisch rede......

Los gehts:

Hab von "Lisa" (noch mal danke f?r die Unterst?tzung) ca. zu Sommerbeginn unter anderem eine beimpfte Agarplatte Psilocybe Azurescens bekommen.
Nach langen Recherchen hab ich beschlossen zwei verschiedene Substrate zur Mycelvermehrung zu verwenden:

1.) Roggen
Ich hab Roggen mit Wasser in einen gro?en Kochtopf erhitzt und ca. 1 bis 1 ? Stunden leicht k?cheln  lassen. Ergo dessen saugen sich die Roggenk?rner mit Wasser voll bis sie zerplatzen (oder besser aufplatzen). Dann wurde der Roggen in ein Nudelsieb gegeben und mit kaltem Wasser abgeschreckt. (Keine Ahnung ob dass was bringt, aber ich mach es immer so). Nachdem das ?berfl?ssige Wasser abgelaufen war, war es an der Zeit ihn in Einmachgl?ser abzuf?llen.
Deckel mit Filter drauf, Alufolie dr?ber und ab in den Dampfdruckkochtopf. Nach einer Stunde voller Milliarden Tode (Bakterien und Schimmelpilze und Sporen) und v?lliger Sterilit?t habe ich die hei?en Gl?ser aus dem DDKT genommen und in meine pseudo Clean Bench (gro?e Plastikkiste mit eingeklebten Handschuhen) gegeben. Ein wenig Alkohol am Boden verteilt (wegen der Hitze kondensiert der Alkohol und macht so ziemlich alles drin Steril) und abk?hlen lassen.

2.) Holzgeh?cksel
Ich hab die Holzh?cksel mit Wasser in einen gro?en Kochtopf erhitzt und ca. 1 bis 1 ? Stunden leicht k?cheln lassen. Die H?lzchen schwimmen zuerst auf der Wasseroberfl?che und nehmen dass Wasser aufgrund der Hitze auf. Man merkt dass die H?cksel feucht genug sind, wenn alle auf den Topfboden abgesunken sind. Anschliessend  wurden die H?cksel in ein Nudelsieb gegeben und hatten nun Zeit sich vom ?bersch?ssigen Wasser zu trennen. Ich wartete bis die H?cksel ein wenig abgek?hlt waren und f?llte sie anschliessend in Einmachgl?ser ab um sie 1 Stunde zu sterillisieren. Es wurde auf alt bew?hrte Weise abgek?hlt.

Nachdem ich nicht so der K?nner im sterilen Arbeiten bin beschloss ich, aus der Agarplatte, Mycelspritzen zu machen. Zuerst hab ich eine N?hrboullion hergestellt (Malzextraktl?sung (ca. 30g pro 1 Liter Wasser) oder Honigwasser (1 Essl?ffel BIOLOGISCHEN Honig auf einen halben Liter Wasser) und diese eine halbe Stunde im DDKT autoklaviert. Ausserdem hab ich in die Gl?ser Glasscherben gegeben die den Zweck haben die Agarst?cke zu zerfetzen. Verwendet wurden diesmal aber keine Einmachgl?ser mit Filterdeckel sondern mit normalen Schraubdeckeln (Vorsicht: Deckel nicht nur leicht anschrauben, da sonst Vakuum ensteht). Nat?rlich wurde in die Deckel mit einem kleinen Nagel jeweils ein oder mehrere L?cher gebohrt und mit Klebeband zugeklebt. Die hei?en Gl?ser wurden wieder in der InnoBox wie gehabt abgek?hlt. Jetzt war es an der Zeit mal die innoBox zu reinigen! :laugh: Hab das mit Alkohol getr?nkten Tuchern (Brillenputzt?cher tun den Job perfekt) bewerkstelligt. Hat den Vorteil, dass die Box schon ein wenig entkeimt wird. Nun wurde die Agarplatte und der Fl?ssigagar in die Box gegeben und ordentlich mit Sagrotan med (70%iger EtOh tuts auch) ausgespr?ht. Nach einer halben Stunde wurde nochmal gespr?ht und wiederrum 20 min gewartet.

Herstellung der Mycelspritzen:
Im nun sterilen Raum wurde nun begonnen die Agarplatte in kleine Vierecke zu unterteilen. Bewerkstelligt wurde dies mit einem Sterilen Zahnstocher (einfach ein paar Zahnstocher in einen Bratschlauch oder hitzebest?ndigen Beh?lter geben und beim Einmachgl?ser mit autoklavieren). Diese kleine Quadrate (ok manchmal auch Rechtecke) wurden dann auf die Einmachgl?ser mit der N?hrl?sung verteilt und ordentlich fest zugeschraubt. Von diesem Zeitpunkt an war eine sterile Umgebung nicht mehr so wichtig. Die Gl?ser wurden gr?ndlich gesch?ttelt und nach belieben mit ca. 20ml 3% Wasserstoffperoxidl?sung (H2O2) versetzt.
Die daraus resultierende beimpfte Boullion wurde in sterile Spritzen (gibt’s in der Apotheke) gesaugt. Die L?cher wurden nat?rlich wieder sorgf?ltig mit Klebeband zugeklebt. TATAAAA die Mycelspritzen sind fertig. Die Einmachgl?ser wurden in meine Inkubationsbox ( einfache Styroporbox – Lichtundurchl?ssig) gegeben um bei bedarf wieder Mycelspritzen zu machen.

Nun wurden die Substratgl?ser durch je 4 einstiche mit der Mycelspritze beimpft. Die L?cher nat?rlich mit Tesa zugeklebt. Alufolie wieder dr?ber und zu den Fl?ssigmycelgl?sern in die Inkubationsbox gegeben.

Zu meiner gro?en Verwunderung w?chst Azurescens Mycel mit so unglaublicher Geschwindigkeit (mind. genausoschnell wie Cubensis Mycel), sodass auch bald (ca. eineinhalb Wochen) die ganze Gl?ser vollst?ndig durchwachsen waren. Jetzt war es an der Zeit, dass Substrat auf Holzh?cksel zu vermehren. V?llig unsteril wurden Holzh?cksel und Holzsp?ne in einen Eimer gegeben und mit Wasser aufgef?llt. Nach zwei Tagen waren die H?lzer meiner Meinung nach genug mit Wasser angesaugt. Zeit f?r die Outdoor-Casings. Dazu hab ich mich f?r Styroporboxen entschieden. In den Boden der Boxen wurden fingergro?e L?cher gebohrt. Eine ca. 2-3 cm dicke Schicht tropfnasser Holzmix wurde in den Boxen aufgesch?ttet. Dann wurden pro Box 2 durchwachsene Gl?ser auf dem nassen Holz verteilt und wieder mit nassem Geh?lz bedeckt. Die L?cher haben wie ihr es vielleicht ahnt den Zweck das ?bersch?ssige Wasser ablaufen zu lassen. Ein wenig durchwachsenens Substrat wurde auf nassen Karton (normalen Pappkarton 20min in kalten Wasser einweichen lassen) ?bertragen, in einen Plastiksack gegeben und zugebunden, um wieder neues Startmycel f?r den Herbst zu erhalten. Auf die Styroporboxen wurden Deckel gegeben und in den Schuppen (oder eine durchwegs schattiges P?tzchen im Garten) gestellt.
Nun wurde wiedermal gewartet bis das Holz vollst?ndig durchwachsen war (ca. 2-5 Wochen).
Vollst?ndig durchwachsenen Boxen kamen (ohne Deckel) unter diverse Str?ucher oder schattige Pl?tze im Garten und wurden von nassem Gras gedeckt.

Nun musste es nur mehr kalt genug werden um die Azurescens zum fruchten anzuregen.
Vor zwei Tagen hat die erste Box begonnen zu fruchten........
Wenn der erste Schnee kommt werden die Boxen als Startmycel verwendet um Rindenmulch zu beimpfen (Rindenmulch der l?ngsseite nach aufschneiden, das durchwachsene Geh?lz darauf verteilen, Paketband zukleben und ?ber Winter in den Keller stellen)

Bilder vom Ersten Flush:








Bilder vom 2ten Flush:











So jetzt beschreibe ich noch kurz die Indoor Version:

Ich hab einfach eine durchwachsene Styroporbox in ein Aquarium gestellt und Wasser am Boden geleert (Zwecks Luftfeuchte (Kann sein, dass ees nur einbildung ist/war aber ich fest davon ?berzeugt das Wasser auch bei so niedrigen Temperaturen verdampft)). Hab als Deckel eine Glasscheibe genommen.

Hier ein Photo von dem Setup:



Die Box steht bei mir im Keller (drinnen ist es so kalt wie draussen, da das Fenster
Kaputt ist). Ich f?chere jeden Tag 2x Frischluft zu .
Vor kurzen sind die ersten Shrooms gepinnt. Hab nat?rlich auch PIx davon gemacht:








Ich hoffe ihr kennt euch aus, bei Fragen einfach posten....

Es werden nat?rlich noch Pix folgen.......

mobyd 


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Edited by mobyd (11/05/02 09:06 AM)

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Re: Described in English [Re: mobyd]
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Very good! It's the first time I see them fruiting indoors!

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Re: Described in English [Re: zeronio]
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ah, so was fruiting initiated indoors or outdoors and moved inside?


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Re: Described in English [Re: Zen Peddler]
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I grew them indoor!!

mobyd


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Re: Described in English [Re: mobyd]
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Exactly how did you intiate pinset indoors? Temps? Did you isolate the strain?


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Re: Described in English [Re: Zen Peddler]
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>Exactly how did you intiate pinset indoors?
I just waited.....

>Temps?
I don?t know but the same temp. as outdoor in austria......

mobyd  aka The "Lucky GUY!"  :grin:



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Re: Described in English [Re: Zen Peddler]
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>ah, so was fruiting initiated indoors or outdoors and moved inside?

As far I know the tray was first outside, then moved inside.
Is this correct mobyd?


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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens INDOOR and OUTDOOR [Re: mobyd]
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i can't see the pics :frown:, i see only red xs. please, i want to see them. 


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Re: Described in English [Re: mobyd]
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Your english was great, I wish I was that good in two languages. Oh yeah, bring up those pics, I want to see them really badly.

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Re: Described in English [Re: cheifdog24]
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Thank you!! I tried my best  :grin: .
I am going to make some more pix today......

I left the tray outside till the wood was totally colonised (not till they pinned!!!) and then Anno told me to try fruiting indoors. So the fruited and pinned INDOOR!

mobyd


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Edited by mobyd (11/05/02 08:12 AM)

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Re: Psilocybe Azurescens INDOOR and OUTDOOR [Re: mobyd]
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i must say this is a great log. you are descriptive, detailed and you speak better english that most americans. it's also nice to be able to see your pics.


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Re: Azures INDOOR/OUTDOOR UPDATED!! [Re: mobyd]
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noooooooooow i see the light!!!!!1
thank you.
thank you.
thank you.
cellar/indoors, what's the diff?
rock! :laugh: 


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Re: Azures INDOOR/OUTDOOR UPDATED!! [Re: viscid]
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Hi!!!!

I made some pixs today @ 6:00 am but I am not able to upload them ........
But tomorrow i am able and I?ll update this thread, so you can see the
original "UFO" Caps......

I am sorry but i won?t upload them in fotango, ?cause half of the people won?t see it......

Be patient you?ll see them tomorrow......

mobyd


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Some new Pics! [Re: mobyd]
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Now i am able to show you some more pictures......





You can see there are still no spores!!!!








mobyd


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Edited by mobyd (11/06/02 11:39 PM)

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Re: Some new Pics! [Re: mobyd]
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In reply to:
wOnT yOu RaTe Me ???



i gave you a five a couple of days ago and you had five shrooms for a while now you only got 2 that sucks


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Re: Some new Pics! [Re: Dobie]
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:smile: :smile:Thank you!! :grin: :grin:

Like the pics ?????

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Re: Some new Pics! [Re: mobyd]
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yes i love em. im luckily enough to hunt azures in the wild and im always amazed how beautiful cultivated fruits are :laugh: 


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aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: Dobie]
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HI guys!

My outdoor trays of azurescens stopped growing!!!!!!
I put the trays in a indoor setup (the same as seen!!) maybe they continue growing...

PICTURES update tomorrow.....

Does anybody know why they stopped???
Maybe ?cause it began to snow for a while (just about 2 hours) 3 days ago!!


mobyd


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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: mobyd]
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New Pics:
Enjoy:













mobyd


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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: mobyd]
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d'oh!  :ooo:


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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: mobyd]
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Nice.. I'm impressed.. It seems that the casing must have picked up a certain bacterium or something whlie it was outside that helped it to initiate pinning. That's a possible explanation as to why those things won't fruit indoors unless you take colonized substrate in from outside.. Oh, and it looks like they're fruiting on the edge of the tray.. That's probably because the casing is too dry towards the middle.. Think about maybe giving the middle a scratching with a sterilized instrument of some kind and giving it a misting.. Good luck.. (Take some prints!)

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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: NeonBlack]
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Ahh.. Now I see where you said that they're sterile.. Too bad.. They still look cool though. What's the total dry weight that you yielded?

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Ready for sporeprints.............. [Re: NeonBlack]
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HI!

@ neon black:

>That's probably because the casing is too dry towards the middle.. Think about >maybe giving the middle a scratching with a sterilized instrument of some kind >and giving it a misting..

No its is not to dry i dunno why they are not fruiting in the middle....


Now THEY are ready to be picked.............
They are nice aren?t they???








This are the trays which were outdoor but then moved indoor......






Gimme a short feedback..................

YUMMY!!!

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Edited by mobyd (11/13/02 06:00 AM)

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Re: Ready for sporeprints.............. [Re: mobyd]
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young azure and cyan patches typically only fruit from the outside edge of the patch. try upping the air exchange for larger caps.


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Re: Ready for sporeprints.............. [Re: cyan-shaman]
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Thank you.

I?ll try maybe i?ll get another flush....

mobyd


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Re: Ready for sporeprints.............. [Re: cyan-shaman]
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from the pictures ive seen it seems that azures seem like to grow up from underneath a log or at the side of a box. i suspect they like to have something like that where they can gather their forces or maybe they like the support?
i think im gonna go throw a big branch on my cyan patch to see what happens...

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Re: Ready for sporeprints.............. [Re: mobyd]
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hey dont know if ya around much anymore but pm me about that print man


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Guerilla in January [Re: Dobie]
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I let two azurescens trays in my box till now and took a look yesterday, and you wont believe it 1 azures is growing (now he?s about 8cm tall).....
My cellar has the same temperatur as outdoor, and in upperaustria we have -23?C in the night. Woww its fuckin cold in winter in Austria....

Maybe i add some pix.

Now I am preparing wood chips with Arcana(dunno if it?s really arcana I got it from Anno, maybe its psi. serbica or anything else), MF2, Azurescens and subaeruginosa for next year.

mobyd


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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: mobyd]
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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: ralphster44]
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MOBYD...How is the potency? I ask because so far they all seem sterile? Does this affect potency?


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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: moorhsum]
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Believe me they are very potent........
1 gramm is enough for a level 3 Trip

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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: mobyd]
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You have lifted my friends hopes, he is really wanting to try these indoors, and this was the log that made him decide! Kudos!!


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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: mobyd]
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Hallo!

Sehr sch?n gemacht. Vielleicht k?nntest du von den Indoor-Prints jeweils neues Mycel vermehren, wobei du die Temperatur schrittweise, aber langsam, erh?hst.
Perhaps kannst du so einen Strain isolieren, der bei Raumtemperatur fruktifizieren kann... :confused:
 

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Re: Ready for sporeprints.............. [Re: cyan-shaman]
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Quote:
young azure and cyan patches typically only fruit from the outside edge of the patch. try upping the air exchange for larger caps. 


maybe that's why my backyard bed only fruited from the side. I hope for a full bed next year :grin:

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Re: aaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! [Re: Waldarbeiter]
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@ Waldarbeiter.....

Hi!

Werd mal schauen ob das geht hab mir auch schon ?berlegt sowas in der Art zu Probieren.....

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Goin for it [Re: mobyd]
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hey guys,

this is my first attempt at growin any kind of shroom. I'm giving the azurescens a go-around, because that's all I want, it's the medicine. So far I've had excellent luck getting them colonized with vermiculite, and I have a couple jars in my terrarium. I gave them a cold treatment and they started buttoning out, but then it stopped. I'm using perlite for humidity, but after reading all these threads, I've realized I'm gonna need more than that. So until I can get an ultrasonic humidifier, I'm gonna mist them everyday and give them a cold treatment with icepaks every day. The cakes have been in there for almost 2 weeks with no shrooms, but whats interesting is that the cake is turning blue, so it must be building up with pysilicbyn. I just need to get it to fruit now. I have a humidity gauge in there and I'm fairly certain I can keep it between 90-95%. If anybody has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it.


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Re: Goin for it [Re: harrb]
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um.....

i suggest you don't bump really old threads. start a new one if you like, but not in this forum - try 'cushroom cultivation'. GLP is for growlogs and pictures.

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Re: Goin for it [Re: shirley knott]
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i just love the idea of woodlovers indoor cultivation


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Re: Goin for it [Re: HALFemptyJOSH]
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Did you do it?


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