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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #10262864 - 04/30/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe some "enhanced interrogation" would get you to say what you mean, instead of trying to weasel out of answer any question directed to you.



What question?  I went back through page 7 and didn't see any question from you.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10263659 - 04/30/09 04:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It's okay guys, you can call it torture now.

"Enhanced Interrogation" shenanigans can cease immediately.

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http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-30-voa47.cfm

Obama Says Waterboarding is Torture

"What I have said, and I will repeat, is that waterboarding violates our ideals and our values," Mr. Obama said. "I do believe that it is torture. I do not think that is just my opinion; that is the opinion of many who have examined the topic. And that is why I put an end to these practices." 




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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #10263837 - 04/30/09 04:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I will not have that faggoty pussy defining what American values are.  He is no more qualified to do that than I am.  In fact, the product of Affirmative Action is less qualified than I am to speak on American values of self-reliance and rugged individualism.  His values are the values of the protected and not the values of the protectors.  He is a sheep, not a sheepdog, and the wolves are getting the upper hand because of it.

   
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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10265699 - 04/30/09 09:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I will not have that faggoty pussy defining what American values are.




You can't do anything about it.

Also, isn't it a bit unpatriotic to disagree with the president in wartime?  We heard something about that from 2001-2008, IIRC.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Phred]
    #10267176 - 05/01/09 04:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Phred said:"The water was poured 183 times -- there were 183 pours," the official explained, adding that "each pour was a matter of seconds."




Do you have any idea how long a couple of seconds is while being waterboarded? It sounds benign, but waterboarding can cause severe, lasting mental trauma, and even death. Christopher Hitchens allowed himself to be waterboarded in defense of the technique (can be seen here). He completely changed his mind, and even talks about having nightmares afterwards. A Playboy Journalist bet some money that he could last 15 seconds. He only lasted 5 (you can see it here, fast forward to 2:45).

But all of this talk about number of times is irrelevant. We're still talking about torture. The real outrage isn't that the number is apparently misleading, it's that ANYONE could defend the practice by saying the media exaggerated the number of times.

It's disgusting that anyone is defending torture. It says something about what kind of human being you are (and this goes to anyone defending torture) when inflicting torture on others is perfectly acceptable to you.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Twirling]
    #10267205 - 05/01/09 05:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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But all of this talk about number of times is irrelevant.




Sure it is. Suuuuuuuure it is. If the numbers had been reported the other way around, all the bleeding heart loonies would be having conniption fits. "OHMIGOD! Those poor terrorist masterminds weren't waterboarded just half a dozen times to extract and confirm information of upcoming terrorist operations, they were waterboarded hundreds of times! The press was lying to us about the numbers in order to hide the government's evil sadistic ways!"

Of course the numbers are relevant.





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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Twirling]
    #10267341 - 05/01/09 06:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Twirling said:
Do you have any idea how long a couple of seconds is while being waterboarded?




Yes. Exactly as long as a couple of seconds when you're not being waterboarded.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #10267554 - 05/01/09 08:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Merriam-Webster dictionary:


tor·ture
Pronunciation:
    \ˈtȯr-chər\
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    Middle French, from Old French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquēre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drāhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
Date:1540

a: anguish of body or mind

b: something that causes agony or pain




if waterboarding is not torture, how do you define torture?  if it does not fit your definition of torture, would you allow yourself to be subjected to such a technique for objective purposes?


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Phred]
    #10267989 - 05/01/09 10:45 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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But all of this talk about number of times is irrelevant.




Sure it is. Suuuuuuuure it is. If the numbers had been reported the other way around, all the bleeding heart loonies would be having conniption fits.

Of course the numbers are relevant.



I agree everyone wants an accurate number, but the number is irrelevant to whether or not waterboarding is acceptable in a civilized society.  It either is, or it's not.  Fortunately, the US joined the rest of the civilized world and believes this is unacceptable behavior.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10268150 - 05/01/09 11:17 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Fortunately, the US joined the rest of the civilized world and believes this is unacceptable behavior.




No, Obama believes it. And Obama is most certainly not "the US".



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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: TGRR]
    #10268311 - 05/01/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I will not have that faggoty pussy defining what American values are.




You can't do anything about it.




Bullshit.  He is not dictator of the language
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Also, isn't it a bit unpatriotic to disagree with the president in wartime?  We heard something about that from 2001-2008, IIRC.



Not from me.  Besides, aren't we in surrendertime now?


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Yrat]
    #10268329 - 05/01/09 11:46 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Yrat said:
Merriam-Webster dictionary:


tor�ture
Pronunciation:
    \ˈtȯr-chər\
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    Middle French, from Old French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquēre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drāhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
Date:1540

a: anguish of body or mind

b: something that causes agony or pain




if waterboarding is not torture, how do you define torture?  if it does not fit your definition of torture, would you allow yourself to be subjected to such a technique for objective purposes?



That's nice.  Too bad it has not one iota's relevance to the legal definition of torture.  Anguish of body or mind.  Well I guess that includes taking a final exam you are unprepared for or a job interview.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10268500 - 05/01/09 12:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Besides, aren't we in surrendertime now?




Yup, we've practically given up in the war on terror.  I don't even hear the president use that term anymore.  That means he is a terrorist.

We have so many terrorists around here that I am starting to use them as seasoning in my breakfast cereal.

Its raining terrorists, I can hardly walk out the door without bumping into one. 

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That's nice.  Too bad it has not one iota's relevance to the legal definition of torture.  Anguish of body or mind.  Well I guess that includes taking a final exam you are unprepared for or a job interview.




Interesting to see how the legal definition of torture contrasts with the actual definition of torture.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10268523 - 05/01/09 12:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Funny how the law works, isn't it?  How are those tortuous job applications going?


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Phred]
    #10269209 - 05/01/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Obama believes it. And Obama is most certainly not "the US".



Oh, but he is!  You may disagree with him, but what he says about torture is what the US says about torture.  If he puts a stop to it, then it stops.  :muahaha:


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10269386 - 05/01/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Visionary Tools said:



Maybe some "enhanced interrogation" would get you to say what you mean, instead of trying to weasel out of answer any question directed to you.



What question?  I went back through page 7 and didn't see any question from you.




I didn't question you, but plenty of other people have.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #10269407 - 05/01/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I believe I answered them.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #10269456 - 05/01/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I was suspicious as well.  Waterboarding works according to some on these boards, yet they never found Osama Bin Laden.  This explains it.





they've found osama many times, I'm sure they know his whereabouts today


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10269641 - 05/01/09 03:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Bin Laden used to post on Mycotopia but he got banned by hippie3 so its hard to say where he is these days.


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Re: Released CIA Memos : Some Suspects Waterboarded Hundreds of Times [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10269657 - 05/01/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I do believe that he is currently growing mycelia on his skin.  Dermal gardening.


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