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 Chronic7
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 Denying Awareness 
#10189225 - 04/18/09 11:02 AM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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Awareness is the most spiritual thing, as it is not a 'thing', its not a tangible object, it has no form.
As it has no form Awareness is pure spirit itself & spirit is the most spiritual thing, last time i checked.
You can deny all the mystical mumbo jumbo, acupuncture, reiki, astral projection, visualisation, crystal balls, psychics, telepathy or the concept of spirituality, but you can not deny Awareness. To do so is to deny yourself.
Awareness is the one thing that is undeniable, but its not even a thing as it has no form.
If you say Awareness has a form, then what would see that form?
Would it not be Awareness?
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 learningtofly
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 Re: Denying Awareness [Re: Chronic7]
#10189260 - 04/18/09 11:07 AM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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Before we get into this can you please define what you mean by "awareness," otherwise this entire thread is meaningless.
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Sentient#6
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http://www.sunofgod.net/
I like to think of it as an electricity type of thing. Without it, the machine ~(our monkeys suits)~ are aimless and useless.
Perhaps nothing created it; but it can be generated/harnesses/manipulated.
But no one knows for sure.
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~Albert Einstein.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: Chronic7]
#10189314 - 04/18/09 11:16 AM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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you can not deny Awareness
Can I throw an "End of Story!" in here or will all the muppets get upset?
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Bridgeburner
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if lies would be somewhat true would that be bullshit?
if a cat would swallow an entire apple where is the apple seed?
it is undeniable. what?
the earth is actually hollow, you can't deny that.
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deCypher
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: Chronic7]
#10189749 - 04/18/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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Chronic777 said: you can not deny Awareness. To do so is to deny yourself.
Awareness is only temporary; a few fleeting years of self-consciousness after billions of years of non-existence, soon to be followed by billions more years of non-existence.
Why give so much focus on such a transient phenomenon?
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: deCypher]
#10189765 - 04/18/09 12:35 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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How do we know "to be followed by billions more years of non-existence."?
That seems a bit presumptuous. Perhaps you know something I don't.
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deCypher
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I'm obviously only offering my opinion here. If I were to demand solid knowledge for my philosophical investigations, I'd still be stuck at solipsism. 
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4 Way Street
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: deCypher]
#10189930 - 04/18/09 01:07 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Chronic777 said: you can not deny Awareness. To do so is to deny yourself.
Awareness is only temporary; a few fleeting years of self-consciousness after billions of years of non-existence, soon to be followed by billions more years of non-existence.
Why give so much focus on such a transient phenomenon?
If you were randomly born once, you could be randomly born twice.
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Lakefingers
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: deCypher]
#10189951 - 04/18/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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Rarity and transience give grounds for value.
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Icelander
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: Chronic7]
#10189955 - 04/18/09 01:10 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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It seems that awareness is a natural function of all living things to some extent or another. It's no more spiritual than using a bathroom. It's a survival skill. Those who do it best survive in style. At death, as far as we know, awareness dies.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: deCypher]
#10193916 - 04/19/09 07:20 AM (15 years, 21 hours ago) |
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deCypher said:
I'm obviously only offering my opinion here. If I were to demand solid knowledge for my philosophical investigations, I'd still be stuck at solipsism.
I'll be happy to present an alternate view to divest you of your current one. Solipsism and Idealism are two relatively recent philosophical errors promulgated by Locke's error of what constitutes an idea.
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deCypher
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Solipsism and Idealism are two relatively recent philosophical errors promulgated by Locke's error of what constitutes an idea.
Both of these views seem internally consistent to me, and in fact Idealism is ontologically preferable to Materialism in that it requires fewer assumptions. Everything that I perceive is merely an idea in the mind; matter is yet a further inference about certain sensory perceptions that appear to be consistent and behave in predictable, regular ways. Rock solid. I mean, the only method with real merit that could be used to attack solipsism would be Wittgenstein's private language argument but even this I think points more towards implausibility than outright disproof.
I'm unfamiliar with Locke's error; could you shed some light?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: deCypher]
#10195861 - 04/19/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 14 hours ago) |
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If I could prove that you don't exist, what would you do?
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learningtofly
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Re: Denying Awareness [Re: deCypher]
#10195907 - 04/19/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 13 hours ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Solipsism and Idealism are two relatively recent philosophical errors promulgated by Locke's error of what constitutes an idea.
Both of these views seem internally consistent to me, and in fact Idealism is ontologically preferable to Materialism in that it requires fewer assumptions. Everything that I perceive is merely an idea in the mind; matter is yet a further inference about certain sensory perceptions that appear to be consistent and behave in predictable, regular ways. Rock solid. I mean, the only method with real merit that could be used to attack solipsism would be Wittgenstein's private language argument but even this I think points more towards implausibility than outright disproof.
I'm unfamiliar with Locke's error; could you shed some light?
Wittgenstein's private language argument seems like a pretty good way to attack Solipsism.
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Mastamike1118
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awareness is closer to two than one...
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learningtofly
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Quote:
Mastamike1118 said:
awareness is closer to two than one...
huh?
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Implausibility has some merit though, no?
Locke's error is conflating ideas as that by which we apprehend with that which we apprehend. When you use a telescope do you see an object or the lens? If you were seeing the lens you could not see the object.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Do you understand?
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OrgoneConclusion
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We are all one, but two ones is more than one one.
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