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Sticking needles in people does seem to have some effect, but has nothing to do with meridians and more like endorphin release.
Here is the important part: tests done using 'Certified Practioners' and doctors who did not have a clue and randomly inserted needles showed the exact same effect.
This is the same with Reiki practioners and ordinary touch/massage.
Personal attention plus concern plus randommodality = healing effect.Quote:
4 Way Street said:
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I will respond to myself so as to not commit a misdemeanor.
What I don't get is why some folks here are so damned proud of their inability to examine things logically and rationally and with minimal bias.
I also wonder about you.
Wonder all you want. I have proposed at least 43 Swami (my old handle) $20K Challenges based soley on the claims made by a poster. No one else here has done anything like this (either because they don't have the balls or don't really believe their own nonsense). Care to guess my record?
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Sticking needles in people does seem to have some effect, but has nothing to do with meridians and more like endorphin release.
Here is the important part: tests done using 'Certified Practioners' and doctors who did not have a clue and randomly inserted needles showed the exact same effect.
This is the same with Reiki practioners and ordinary touch/massage.
Personal attention plus concern plus random modality = minor healing effect.
That is unsubstantiated hearsay enough for me.
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OrgoneConclusion
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but he's not playing fair 
You failed to answer one of my earlier and simpler questions. Quid pro quo, baby!
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Sticking needles in people does seem to have some effect, but has nothing to do with meridians and more like endorphin release.
Here is the important part: tests done using 'Certified Practioners' and doctors who did not have a clue and randomly inserted needles showed the exact same effect.
This is the same with Reiki practioners and ordinary touch/massage.
Personal attention plus concern plus randommodality = healing effect.Quote:
4 Way Street said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I will respond to myself so as to not commit a misdemeanor.
What I don't get is why some folks here are so damned proud of their inability to examine things logically and rationally and with minimal bias.
I also wonder about you.
Wonder all you want. I have proposed at least 43 Swami (my old handle) $20K Challenges based soley on the claims made by a poster. No one else here has done anything like this (either because they don't have the balls or don't really believe their own nonsense). Care to guess my record?
20k to do what prove you wrong?
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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Wonder all you want. I have proposed at least 43 Swami (my old handle) $20K Challenges based soley on the claims made by a poster. No one else here has done anything like this (either because they don't have the balls or don't really believe their own nonsense). Care to guess my record?
So you have proven that random internet users fail to take you up on your challenges and made up a reason why they do this. This is very useful and relevant information. 
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Jack Albertson said:
but he's not playing fair
You failed to answer one of my earlier and simpler questions. Quid pro quo, baby!
i wouldnt say that i failed to answer it, it just doesnt seem that important anymore, weird.
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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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OrgoneConclusion
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 Re: New Age/Spiritual Terminology  [Re: Middleman]
#10189130 - 04/18/09 10:42 AM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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As a biased, evil skeptic, I went to an acupuncturist with great expectation to alleviate my back spasms. Five weekly sessions at $100 per = stupid, gullible fool and lots of back pain.
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As a biased, evil skeptic, I went to an acupuncturist with great expectation to alleviate my back spasms. Five weekly sessions at $100 per = stupid, gullible fool and lots of back pain.
An uncontrolled self-trail of one, You are close to changing my mind. Where do I sign up?
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You too are a random internet poster. Apparently no one needs $20K because money is unspiritual.
What claim can you prove with certainty that you think I will disbelieve?
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Dear Hamster,
What it 'proves' is that I am not an armchair skeptic.
Capishe?
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i wish there was a resident psychologist around P&S
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You too are a random internet poster. Apparently no one needs $20K because money is unspiritual.
What claim can you prove with certainty that you think I will disbelieve?
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Personalisms such as That you are an ass. are not allowed in P&S.
Edited by deCypher (04/18/09 12:28 PM)
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Dear Hamster,
What it 'proves' is that I am not an armchair skeptic.
Capishe?
Yay!
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Re: New Age/Spiritual Terminology [Re: deCypher]
#10189750 - 04/18/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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Calm down Cypher.
You're upsetting the children.
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Last night I was honored with the Nobel Prize in theoretical physics. This worldwide recognition has given me the opportunity to bring hope to a war-ravaged world. I vowed to myself I would work like a dog at this. But now, it's 10:30 in the morning and I'm just getting out of bed. I did get up earlier around 8:00am, but I just lied in bed for a while, and then...jerked off. I've got to stop masturbating, it makes me too lazy. Stop it Albert...stop it.
~Albert Einstein.
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Honestly though, I'm seeing a lack of sources on OC's part. Do you have any links or substantial scientific studies on any of these phenomena?
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Let's review some classic New Agey bullshit going back to the '70s until today, shall we?
1. 'Secret Life of Plants' - thoroughly debunked
2. Pyramid Power - throroughly debunked
3. Marfa Lights - - throroughly debunked
4. Gulf Breeze Sightings - hoax
5. Alien Autopsy - hoax
6. Harmonic Convergence - nothing special
7. Face on Mars / City on Mars - rock formation
8. Nostradamus 1999 - nothing
9. Niburu - imagination
10. Photon Cloud - fantasy
11. Phoenix Lights - misidentification
12. Myoto's water crystals - total nonsense
13. 2012 - more nonsense
14. Free Energy - hogwash
On and on with the New Agers batting 100% wrong - never even getting one right. Gee, why should a rational person doubt?
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Re: New Age/Spiritual Terminology [Re: deCypher]
#10189791 - 04/18/09 12:39 PM (15 years, 1 day ago) |
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notorious for not having.
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More like 'notoriously bored after debunking the same crap year after year'. Check the archives, most of these have been covered in depth one or more times.
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i believe it, because you said so.
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Right, some people who seem intelligent dismiss certain theories the second they are heard merely due to the fact that people use new age or spiritual type terminology, like consciousness, prana, life-force energy, awareness, unconditional love etc...
Dismissing certain theories just because the terminology puts you off is being very closed minded & remaining in ignorance
Like dismissing the possibility of penetration into higher states of consciousness through meditational practices because it sounds 'new agey' is just absolutelyfuckingridiculous
 
The fact that to some people you even say the word 'consciousness' or 'awareness' & they automatically think your a new ager & close of from the conversation is just incredibly ignorant!
You don't want consciousness? Better knock yourself out then
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Let's review some classic New Agey bullshit going back to the '70s until today, shall we?
1. 'Secret Life of Plants' - thoroughly debunked
2. Pyramid Power - throroughly debunked
3. Marfa Lights - - throroughly debunked
4. Gulf Breeze Sightings - hoax
5. Alien Autopsy - hoax
6. Harmonic Convergence - nothing special
7. Face on Mars / City on Mars - rock formation
8. Nostradamus 1999 - nothing
9. Niburu - imagination
10. Photon Cloud - fantasy
11. Phoenix Lights - misidentification
12. Myoto's water crystals - total nonsense
13. 2012 - more nonsense
14. Free Energy - hogwash
On and on with the New Agers batting 100% wrong - never even getting one right. Gee, why should a rational person doubt?
Of course you can doubt New Agers, but that is not what the OP was about, it was about theories that share some of the same terminology as
New Age theories being dismissed because they do share some words and these two were emphasized, consciousness and awareness. Your specific examples did not address the original post's general statement, they supported a separate claim that you made.
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