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The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price?
    #10188046 - 04/18/09 01:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hi everybody, I am very interested in getting a flow hood and would like some input. Is the Fungi Perfecti Series I a good choice? RR says he's had one for about ten years, so it must be pretty good. I have a few questions about it though. It doesn't look like it comes with a prefilter, so will that hurt anything? Is the Series I good for a small closet lab setup? Is the Series II worth paying double the money? I'd rather buy one already assembled so I don't have to do any calculations or risk failure. Are there any other companies that make flow hoods? :frown:


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroomer Smurf]
    #10188668 - 04/18/09 08:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Hi everybody, I am very interested in getting a flow hood and would like some input. Is the Fungi Perfecti Series I a good choice? RR says he's had one for about ten years, so it must be pretty good. I have a few questions about it though. It doesn't look like it comes with a prefilter, so will that hurt anything? Is the Series I good for a small closet lab setup? Is the Series II worth paying double the money? I'd rather buy one already assembled so I don't have to do any calculations or risk failure. Are there any other companies that make flow hoods?




FP Series 1 hood is a very good unit.
It doesn't come with a prefilter, but there is a flange on the fan inlet that can be removed, and a piece of polyfill sheet or other fabric or filter can be put across the opening, and the flange replaced. That works great as a pre-filter. (I think you could get away without it thou, I'm just finicky.)

You have to mount the fan onto the filter box - that takes about 10 minutes.

You can make a plexiglass skirt to go around the workspace.
An inexpensive option is plywood covered in contact paper, so you can wipe it down with Clorox or alcohol.
But that is optional also.

If you want a new hobby size hood, I think FP is the way to go.

There are usually various hoods on E-bay if you want to consider used equipment.

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #10188922 - 04/18/09 10:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

in all honesty i just don't see why anyone would spend so much money on lab supplies such as these. When i do my work, to be honest i don't really follow sterile precedure much at all and still have NEVER had a contamination problem...ever. the most i ever sterilize anything is a quick wipe with alocohol or throw it in boiling water but thats about it...every grow i do comes out well too, so i just dont get it :shrug:


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: shroomiin]
    #10188979 - 04/18/09 10:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Shroomiin, I have to say I LOVE my flowhood. It is 12x36" and it does not let any contamination through to my workspace. I mean I have left petri dishes uncovered for more than 5 minutes without a problem. (not that you should do this, but it was awesome) If you are serious about isolation, this is a great way to go.

That price seems pretty reasonable. How's shipping on that beast?

My filter was $200+ and my plywood to build the box was ~$100. We won't talk about the fan that I use... it's a little over-budget for a hobby...

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: shroomiin]
    #10189134 - 04/18/09 10:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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in all honesty i just don't see why anyone would spend so much money on lab supplies such as these. When i do my work, to be honest i don't really follow sterile precedure much at all and still have NEVER had a contamination problem...ever. the most i ever sterilize anything is a quick wipe with alocohol or throw it in boiling water but thats about it...every grow i do comes out well too, so i just dont get it :shrug:




these kind of procedures only seem to work for a minority of people then all of a sudden failures happen big time.

Flow hoods allow you to work freely, no restraints except for the size of your filter. compared to a glovebox which can become tricky if your working with alot of stuff.

My glovebox works great, but doing more than 6 have pint jars is a nightmare. I tried 9 jars once and gave up after the 6th jar.

If your working with alot of petri dishes, it becomes almost impossible unless you have a massi glovebox and even in a glovebox you can still get a few contams here an there.

If your doing alot of work, it makes sense to make a good investment in sterile procedures. The money you spent will be recouped in low contamn rate, and freedom of movement.


Pre-filters are pretty easy to fit, and is highly recomended, it will greatly extend the life of your hepa. The prefilter filters out large particles and leaves the hepa to deal with the very small fine contaminant particles so that the hepa doesnt become clogged and effect yoru laminar flow.


If you got the cash and will put it to good use, buy it. Building your own will save you cash but when built right they work just as good. There are many helpfull threads on how to select your filter and squirel cage blower.


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10189602 - 04/18/09 12:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Prefilter = house furnace filter placed up against intake.  just move it around until all of the filter gets dirty then replace.

I have a series I and it does the job.  I can do 6 bags at once in front of it.  The series II really isnt much wider but taller, which is a bit unnecessary if you are good at keeping things low.  Its a better route IMO to eventually get (2) series I hoods butted up together for a wider workspace than spending the amount of money on a single series II or III hood.


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10189774 - 04/18/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hi: There is little that can be said that veda sticks hasn't covered in his most eloquent post.

With in the last few months there has been posts on how to make your own unit. One not to long age with a good set of plans that one could go to a lumber supply and have them do the cutting for you off of. The same person offered to make plans for people that may have a different sized HEPA filter with his CAD software. If one were to shop around they could find a buy on a filter (there is a link on building a laminar flow unit on RR site and with in that link there is a link to what's being offered as HEPA filters that would work on Ebay). This can reduce the amount of out of pock money to have a nice unit.

I'm a trained CORT (Certified Operating Room Technician) and worked in surgery for some 12 years. I got to the point I felt like I wanted to start shooting people and know it was time to move on. Now when a hospital piss me off I stick them with my bill! Plus over the years I've taken numerous class on microbiology and preparing mediums. When I started this hobby back in the 80's and I purchased my fist spore print of Homestead Books. I had no trouble with my first grow and for years back then I grow with out any trouble. I would have friends who would buy the kits and most of the time they would fail. I felt that I was some kind of master grower. That's till one day it all turned to shit I couldn't do any thing right it seemed, even with my training and I walked away from this hobby. I started to grow again a few years ago after finding this and other sites about this hobby on line in the late 90's and fallowing what was going on for a number of years. Even then it was hard to let go of my ego, as I still need to do from time to time now.


The point I'm trying to make is that in the long run you will do better by owning and using some of these toys. I'm not saying that you need to run out and buy every thing that's offered up for this hobby. But in time one will find they are nice to own.

Over the the years I've been amazed by people who will spend hundreds of dollars on extras for their dirt bike, ATV or snowmobile, but will have a fit over having to buy a descent PC or make a glove box.

I personally feel that if some one is truly serous about this hobby they need a PC, glove box and what needed to make and use agar plating's. Plus the jars and other things that people associate with needing for this hobby.

But enough with my rant, options are like ass holes, we all have one; Hipster

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: CheeWiz]
    #10190568 - 04/18/09 02:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i got my 2' x 2' HEPA for 90 dollars on ebay. I got a furnace blower from an old furnace ripped out by a heating and cooling company for free (they actually let me take as many as i wanted). I got a Variable fan speed control for 6 dollars on ebay... and i spent 60 on wood and a furnace filter (granted i had silicone for sealing and screws and tools already)

works like a charm... there are better ways to spend money. I like fp's stuff, but it's overpriced...

it is a nice hood though. if you don't mind the cost and are too lazy to figure out your own, then yes it's worth it.


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #10190705 - 04/18/09 03:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Cosmic, while I would have definitely done it your way, 12x36 is a custom size for a filter (no ebay specials) and where I live there are no furnaces.... no blowers.. no filters.

Also, I did go with the nice wood, but I wanted it to last me a lifetime. It will.

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroominit]
    #10190850 - 04/18/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i was just pointing out how easily AND CHEAP a nice flowhood CAN be...

12x36 is in fact a very nice size for our work although i've never been a fan of 12" height i like the extra movement space on top with 24". I wish i has 36" in width though, that makes me jealous...

the OP is talking about a flowhood that is in fact smaller than mine though and not a custom job like yours...


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroominit]
    #10191293 - 04/18/09 05:18 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Good point. Yeah, I would definitely have built mine cheaper (except the wood) if I could have. Also 36" is wonderful. The reason I get away with 12" height is that I don't do bags very often.

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroominit]
    #10191383 - 04/18/09 05:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I probably could've used better wood, but it was so cheap to make i could make 3 more for almost the same price as one FP series 1... and they would all be twice the height of an FP series 1.

I like the height of mine, because it provides room to spawn to trays and tubs in front of it, although at that point a flowhood isn't necessarily needed... I've always liked being extra precautious though.

if you don't mind my asking what type of wood did you use...

I plan on building a nicer one and selling mine to a fellow mycologist in the area. I'd like something wider like yours, but still at least 18 inches in height.

finding a HEPA like that could be tricky though


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #10191589 - 04/18/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

18x36" would be amazing,no doubt. I'd definitely build one like that if I could sell mine without losing a fortune =P

I used birch 7 ply plywood. Needed 4' by 7' of wood to get it cut to the right size. A few pieces of 1x1" solid birch (about 8' total). About 6' of 2x1" also solid birch for the front face.

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroominit]
    #10192018 - 04/18/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The series 1 is a good buy if you don't have a wood working shop to make your own.  It's about $150 more than the materials to build your own, so that's not a bad price. It's built with hardwood which isn't cheap.  You could use pine plywood and save some money, but I like the finished hardwood on the unit.  It will last a long time. I've had one for a long time, and have used it thousands of times.

You can simply duct tape a furnace filter over the air intake and it works great.  I've gone through several pre-filters in the last decade, but am still on the first HEPA and it still has excellent flow.
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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10193905 - 04/19/09 07:15 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

When the hepa filter is old, does the flow hood need to be taken completely apart in order to replace it? Or do you have to buy a brand new hood? This might be a dumb question, but I'd like to know before I spend that much money. :laugh:


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroomer Smurf]
    #10193913 - 04/19/09 07:17 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Im sure that the filter can be replaced, if you install a prefilter you wont be replacing it for a long time.


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroomer Smurf]
    #10193918 - 04/19/09 07:20 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think flow hoods are all they're cracked up to be personally, unless your a professional mycologist.

I do all my work in a glovebox that cost me $50 to build.
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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10193926 - 04/19/09 07:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The series 1 is a good buy if you don't have a wood working shop to make your own.  It's about $150 more than the materials to build your own, so that's not a bad price. It's built with hardwood which isn't cheap.  You could use pine plywood and save some money, but I like the finished hardwood on the unit.  It will last a long time. I've had one for a long time, and have used it thousands of times.

You can simply duct tape a furnace filter over the air intake and it works great.  I've gone through several pre-filters in the last decade, but am still on the first HEPA and it still has excellent flow.
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RR, may I ask what the dimensions are including the blower? Can it be picked up by one person?


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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroomer Smurf]
    #10193933 - 04/19/09 07:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

depending on how strong you are, maybe. It looks like an awkward size so you may hurt your back though. Id say its ideally a 2 man lift. Most of the weight id guess is in the wood graim itself, then the squirrel cage blower with the filte rbeing the lightest part.

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Re: The Fungi Perfecti Series I Laminar Flow Hood. Is It Worth The Price? [Re: Shroomer Smurf]
    #10193996 - 04/19/09 07:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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When the hepa filter is old, does the flow hood need to be taken completely apart in order to replace it? Or do you have to buy a brand new hood? This might be a dumb question, but I'd like to know before I spend that much money. :laugh:


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this is why he taped a prefilter on to preserve the life of the HEPA by preventing larger things from going through and potentially damaging the hood.. Honestly you won't be replacing your HEPA for AT LEAST 10+ years with a prefilter.. so i don't think it's a big deal IF you have to replace the hood, because it'll be at least 10 years down the road... probably never if you take care of your shit...

remember these are REAL HEPA's not that cheap shit for vacuums that get replaced every 2 months... they're built to last when used properly..


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