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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10186489 - 04/17/09 06:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

We'll see. I think he'll lose. He was in court today.


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: The_Ghost]
    #10186581 - 04/17/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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roby000 said:
was it a border check point?  if it was a border check point they can do random searches of anyone entering the border.





He was in the country driving from San Diego to Phoenix, clearly in the country.

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He doesn't have any evidence at all. It is his word against theirs. He isn't going to win that battle. Being stubborn at a border patrol checkpoint is fucking stupid. The guy just wants publicity.





He actually has all of their police videos to confirm his story.

INNOCENT BEFORE PROVEN GUILTY.

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they have a right to question
he has a right not to answer





Bingo.

They can ask anything they want.

You don't have to say shit.

THAT IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE, PERIOD.

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was it a border check point?  if it was a border check point they can do random searches of anyone entering the border.




Only for those ENTERING the border.

He was going from state to state, not a crime.

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he excersized his rights is that a crime




He was moving through a police checkpoint though, isn't that normal for them to ask a few questions?




It may have been, but as a U.S. citizen you dont have to say anything...EVER.

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Unless there is a reason to have them exit than that is an illegal request



Acting sketchy and refusing to communicate with them isn't reason enough?

You still haven't answered how it is you think they would be able to do their job at all if they would let anyone through based on request of the driver.




No it isnt reason enough, AT ALL.

Not talking, or answering questons is NOT RESISTING.

Forcibly resisting is resisting arrest, not, not talking.

They can do there job just fine with search dogs, and bomb detectors, if they cant find a possible criminal with that, then too fucking bad.

Make the technology better without infringing on rights.



If you dont like it, move to china, youll be nice and safe there..... :rolleyes:


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
    #10186608 - 04/17/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Grainy videos with no color or sound will not beat 10 cops testifying against him. Guaranteed.


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: robbyberto]
    #10186619 - 04/17/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Haha video footage is the most reliable evidence used in court today. And the cameras that they used today aren't shitty. Regardless of the quality it still more reliable than any testimonial. Quit talking out of your ass.


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10186637 - 04/17/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Haha video footage is the most reliable evidence used in court today. And the cameras that they used today aren't shitty. Regardless of the quality it still more reliable than any testimonial. Quit talking out of your ass.




I think he likes the taste......:crazy2:


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10186646 - 04/17/09 07:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Haha video footage is the most reliable evidence used in court today. And the cameras that they used today aren't shitty. Regardless of the quality it still more reliable than any testimonial. Quit talking out of your ass.





QFT


Even if 10 cops testify aginst him...They HAVE to prove the dog barked/smelled something/heard something.



INNOCENT BEFORE PROVEN GUILTY.


PERIOD.

If im proven wrong, then you may as well throw all of your rights away.

Which means, no free speach, no bearing arms, no assembly, etc, etc.


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: DeathCompany]
    #10187189 - 04/17/09 09:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Tea said:
I have the utmost compassion for this guy. I have taken 3 tasers in a row before and it is sheer hell. fucking SHEER HELL. They really need to take those "Toys" away from cops.




Ive been tased a bunch of times though, by friends and myself but I don't see a problem with cops and tasers.

Maybe it's just American cops who are total dicks. I have absolutely no problems with cops here, I actually like cops down here, their so chill and social.







Ive been tased countless times by my friends. The ones that cops are allowed to use are WAYYYYY stronger than what a citizen will have.




That's right,only issue I have with that was that that friend had a goddamned X26 taser that dropped me like a fly. Even worse was that they were surprise attacks! I remember the first time I was sitting at a picnic bench with friends and that fucker thought it be funny to come up behind me and pwn me. I fucking cringed, it was horrible.


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: The_Ghost]
    #10188027 - 04/18/09 01:40 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

this is nothing new nor nothing all that shocking
unfortunatly thats the way it is

this guy probly wint win i n court


just sayin


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Re: pastor gets tased and his face shoved in broken glass [Re: The_Ghost]
    #10188038 - 04/18/09 01:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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"They start asking me questions. I refused to answer those questions." :rolleyes:








Well if your going to poo poo someone because they excercised their constitutional rights, what approach are you going to take to any legitimatly illegal and immoral application of state force?


"they killed my brother:  :rolleyes:
"they shot me cuz i spoke against the governor"  :rolleyes:
"they jailed me without charges:  :rolleyes:


We have these rights for a reason.  If you want to eliminate our right to not be forced to testify against ourselves then feel free to start a movement for compulsory interogations and suspicionless arrests, but untill that day I cannot see how you'd feel the above is at all legitimate.

Its worth noting that in every single case I've ever seen where the police do something clearly illegal or immoral they sure no how to invoke the fifth.  Its even in their union contract to extend the protections of the constitution to things such as civil actions and administrative reviews by the police.  When's the last time an officer did something clearly illegal/wrong and came clean as soon as it was discovered and submitted to questioning?  Doesn't happen to my knowledge, and it is certainly common for cops to shut their mouth and get a union lawyer- the same cops that question people expecting them to waive their rights.

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