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U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens
#10180440 - 04/16/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens
Published on 2008-02-04 00:00:00
Author - Paul Joseph Watson U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.
We received an e mail from "Scott", a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called Helmets To Hard Hats, which according to its website, "Is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry." Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America. "I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott. "I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."
"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott. Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so. The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.
Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine questionnaire out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused to surrender their firearms.
Documentary film maker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late 90's which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.
During one such program in Oakland California, dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer if they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.
During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate guns belonging to New Orleans residents.
As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.
Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.
Many scoffed at our original story, which was based on the testimony of a whistleblower who was asked to participate in the program. Claims that the story was a conspiracy theory soon evaporated when a mainstream KSLA news report confirmed the existence of the program.
The experiences of U.S. troops in the worst areas of Iraq, where soldiers are ordered to go door to door and arrest all men of military age as well as confiscate their weapons, is a mere portend of what is being planned for America if these training programs ever come to fruition.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10180845 - 04/16/09 09:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is the military preparing for some sort of event that will require martial law to be implemented on US citizens? If not, then why are they training their soldiers to be ready for such an event?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Poid]
#10180899 - 04/16/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are more articles Check these out all involving more plans and preparation from the last 2 years.
http://matadorpulse.com/facilitating-martial-law-us-armys-new-dwell-time-misson-set-to-begin-in-october/
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1062
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2009/02/11/inside-source-reveals-fema-dhs-prepairing-for-mass-graves-and-martial-law-near-chicago/
Basically after they collapse the economy and place all the money into a few hands. People will be pleading for help, and they will implement martial law. This has been planned and is openly talked about. It will not be just the US it will be other country's especially the UK.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay] 1
#10182151 - 04/17/09 12:35 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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When do you think this will happen?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Poid]
#10183903 - 04/17/09 10:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, suuure.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
#10184176 - 04/17/09 11:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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When this all goes down, the people left wondering " Why didn't I see this coming" well the answer will be your to iggnorant to listen or find out for yourself.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10187324 - 04/17/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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^^^^^ EXACTLY ^^^^^
During Bushes term he has rounded up 1 MILLION American troops to train specifically for 'urban' door to door searches! This is a fact. They have been training in the middle east for like the past 4-6 years (or something like that). Last October they were stationed in the US for their new duties. What duties you might ask? To be called upon to aid local law enforcement when/if us civilians rally or protest. They have absolutely NO PROBLEM with unconstitutionally kicking in your door, searching, seizing, and arresting you under a direct order.
Haven't you guys read the Patriot Act?! We the people are all considered possible terrorists and 'unlawful combatants'. Now Mushlim Hussein Fagbama wants to make a FEDERAL LAW which states that all of us MUST serve 3 months of basic training. YES basic military-type training. Fagbama wants 1 MILLION civilian troops trained like the military and funded like the military in order to police our own streets!
This is not B.S. its plain fact Fagbama actually said it. WAY too many people think that Fagbama can do no wrong. The fact is that our troops and our local law enforcement have received this type of questioning for decades! Our local law enforcement has reportedly answered YES (that they would conduct unconstitunal door to door searches and seizures if ordered to) more often than our own military guys & gals. NOW our own military has been answering YES to that very question because of the BS and 100% fictitious “terrorist threat” propaganda that we have all been fed over the past several years.
All I can say is … KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. Read and learn the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights. Sounds gay right? Well how in the hell are you going to know when your rights are being violated if you don’t even know what they are???
I know a Navy Seal that was called upon after Hurricane Katrina. He among many were asked to ride in a helicopter searching for people needing aid. As they were flying around they were actually being shot at! The locals in New Orleans were actually shooting at his helicopter! He couldn’t understand it … it just didn’t make sense to him. The fact is that he didn’t know what the fuck was actually going on down there. That so called maniac with the rifle was just defending himself! They were being unconstitutionally disarmed! No one could enter the area … not even the corrupt media.
My own brother is in the Navy. Ya wanna know what his job is? His job is to issue ASVAP tests to the foreigners! Yes foreigners. Did you know that the United States is recruiting foreigners into the military? Well they sure as shit are. If they can pass the ASVAP test then they are recruited immediately! Now … how do you think those guys would answer that questionnaire? 99% say yes … what the hell do they care. Will they bite the hand that feeds them?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10187344 - 04/17/09 09:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the cant constitutionally do any of this. not even the training. dont believe everything you read.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: roby000]
#10187372 - 04/17/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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roby000 said: the cant constitutionally do any of this. not even the training. dont believe everything you read.
HAHAHAHAHAHAA, since when has the constitution stopped anyone?
Warrantless Wiretapping is completely legal, and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution, this was granted with law, and thats just 1 of VERY MANY examples where law (and many other things that are not law that go down) and the constitution do not line up...
Not saying i buy into this directly either, but will not just dismiss it immediately either, as that is just as 'crazy' as all the conspiracy theorists are said to be.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: supra]
#10187542 - 04/17/09 10:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10187771 - 04/17/09 11:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
By the way ... that court case took place as damage control ... for show ... for the sheep that would actually believe that it was a mistake and that our government was sorry. You don't fuck around with things like that. Heads should have rolled and if ANY of those Gestapo troops were killed during those raids ... they all deserved it.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10187908 - 04/18/09 12:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Take the tinfoil hats off once inawhile guys! Throughout all of human history, theres been somebody with their finger on the button/trigger/sword/arrow. Its nothing new.
And theres always going to be someone trying to control you and take your money.... the alternatives ofcourse are live in solitude or suicide.. so figure it out.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10188059 - 04/18/09 02:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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DontPlay said: When this all goes down, the people left wondering " Why didn't I see this coming" well the answer will be your to iggnorant to listen or find out for yourself.
well thats never gonna happen
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10188314 - 04/18/09 05:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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they can confiscate guns but they cant confiscate fire or improvised explosive devices
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: roby000]
#10188528 - 04/18/09 07:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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roby000 said: the cant constitutionally do any of this. not even the training. dont believe everything you read.
Your blind to the truth my son. Bush suspended posse comitatus in the patriot act. US and Foreign troop's have been practicing urban warfare and population control in the US on US streets for the last few years.
I have actually SEEN this happen in Texas. NOT at a training facility but in actualy neighborhoods. The military has been surveying active military when they come back from Iraq asking them if they are willing to shoot Americans in a time of national emergency as well. There is so much more going on then this that you probably would hurt your little head thinking about it. So get YOUR fact's straight before you put your two cents in.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10188536 - 04/18/09 07:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Conpiracy theorist is a term the government made up to discredit people trying to uncover the real truth.
Media lies to your face and has for ages. You believe only what your told like little brainwashed children.
I understand that during history there has always been someone trying to rule the world. (That's what's going on not just one country this time)
The Elite want to rule the world and Us...I don't wish to be anyones slave.
It doesn't hurt to do your own homework, open your eyes and be open minded. I know nothing anyone can say will change some of your minds. Not the point, just trying to reveal some infomation that you should keep in mind and watch for. They do not hide there plans anymore, they openly talk about the new world order. All these peace and economic talks Obama has been doing..There actually moving towards it now..not just talking about it. This is bad folks but to much to discuss on why.
Its already happening so there isn't much time left. During Obama's administration, the economy will collapse, and globalization will take place. Just wait for it and itll be to late.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: roby000]
#10188566 - 04/18/09 08:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive yet to see ANY facts involved with anything youve said. I'm not going to argue with you but FACT is your wrong. Plain and Simple End of Story.
Why do I get the feeling your law enforcement or military.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10188844 - 04/18/09 09:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That guy (roby000) just doesn't know what he's talking about ... actually he's not talkin about anything. Just the type of apethy that the powers that be RELY ON.
They have eliminated Posse Comitatus and Habeas Corpus. Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus was the ONLY thing keeping our military and our Federal government from a dictatorship. Posse Comitatus kept our government from militarizing the police. It kept our troops from policing our land.
Some people just aren't interested in knowing their rights and only care about the ball game. Some just think that they are untouchable. That's your decision. Just don't say that others are crazy or therorists when you don't know what you are talking about. Our Constitution was written for a reason. It was written that way FOR A REASON. Eliminating ANY PART of it for ANY REASON is unjustified and is treasonous.
Thinking or actually saying "I don't believe our Constitution isn't being torn apart" is naïve and ignorant if you haven’t looked into it yourself. After looking into it … you would be a complete MORON to say “they cant constitutionally do any of this. not even the training. don’t believe everything you read. “ and then say “my facts are pretty straight”.
You are WRONG. I wish you were RIGHT!
Just look it up. Don't take my word for it.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Poid]
#10188865 - 04/18/09 09:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poid said: Is the military preparing for some sort of event that will require martial law to be implemented on US citizens? If not, then why are they training their soldiers to be ready for such an event?
It's a long-standing policy. I was in the Army in the 80's, and we trained for this.
You might, for example, have a town that has been infected with a bio-warfare agent and must be quarantined for the good of the nation.
(There was a movie like that- Outbreak).
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10188868 - 04/18/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here you go man. You say "it's unconstitutional and couldn't happen". Well tell that to the troops that have been deployed for active duty in AMERICA! They just had to get rid of Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus to make it "legal".
Edited by NineInchNails (04/18/09 09:52 AM)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10189358 - 04/18/09 11:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
it does not contain the express right to privacy, but you get it indirectly through many other amendments...the right against unreasonable searches and seizures of person and property, is there to maintain your privacy, for one example...
I do however apologize for the broad overstatement...
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10189574 - 04/18/09 12:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that we DIDN'T have the right to privacy?
I say "didn't" because we DON'T anymore. The Patriot Act along with other pillaging of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by our Federal government has done away with that.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10189623 - 04/18/09 12:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
Thats where the precedent for the legality of birth control and abortion comes from doesnt it?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10189679 - 04/18/09 12:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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NineInchNails said: Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
Did you just say...
ALL constitutional rights?
You know that there are a lot of them?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
#10189897 - 04/18/09 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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NineInchNails said: Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
Did you just say...
ALL constitutional rights?
You know that there are a lot of them?

Do you have the faintest clue what Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus is? Look it up for crying out loud. Did you even bother to watch these short videos?
Here they are ... listed again ... just click on it and learn something. Do you have something against educating yourself? 
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10193187 - 04/19/09 12:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that we DIDN'T have the right to privacy?
I say "didn't" because we DON'T anymore. The Patriot Act along with other pillaging of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by our Federal government has done away with that.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: 2859558484]
#10193379 - 04/19/09 01:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude u.s. troops are people just like my friends they are not something special they are ordinary people well kinda lol the friends i know who joined the military would shoot anything they could give a fuck less about who it is...
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10193431 - 04/19/09 02:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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NineInchNails said: Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
Did you just say...
ALL constitutional rights?
You know that there are a lot of them?

Do you have the faintest clue what Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus is? Look it up for crying out loud. Did you even bother to watch these short videos?
Here they are ... listed again ... just click on it and learn something. Do you have something against educating yourself? 
Did you even read what I wrote? Here's a pro-tip: words written in all caps imply emphasis. Read what you wrote, for goodness' sake. You seriously wrote that all, that is ALL rights are dismissed by the patriot act. That makes no fucking sense. And you respond by telling me I don't know enough about TWO specific rights granted in the constitution. You're going to need to explain how every single right and privilege granted in the entire constitution is eliminated by the patriot act. Here's a time saving tip: don't bother, because that is complete bullshit.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
#10193562 - 04/19/09 02:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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agreed, the patriot act nonsense is really out of hand.
Yes it was unconstitutional and full of terrible crap, but no it doesn't ameliorate your constitutional rights as defined by the courts and no it wasn't much of a departure from existing law- it codified a lot of powers that always existed.
Yes it leads to expanding the bullshit and legitimate exceptions because it didn't limit itself to the applications in which they apply, but to say the patriot act is particularly relevant to more than a handful of american citizens would be a lie.
To say it removed all constitutional rights is silly.
Protip: avoid cockfighting if you want to steer clear of patriot act raids.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
#10194060 - 04/19/09 08:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now if you bothered to check out those videos you will find that the narrator checked off all of the Bill Of Rights that are effected by eliminating Habeus Corpus alone.
The patriot act names the citizens of the US unlawful combatants. We CAN be treated like enemies of war. No right to a speedy trial, held without being shown the evidence against us, no warrant required, etc... You can be held for an 'undetermined' length of time, tortured (legaly of course), just to name a few.
You guys are so apathetic it’s ridiculous. You say … dude I have friends in the military and they are cool. They are just ordinary guys. Are you insane? Everyone has a friend in the military. Somebody knows someone that was ordered to do shit. Ya think someone knew the troops that were disarming citizens in New Orleans? Ya think the guys who are water borting doesn't have a mother, brother, friends, a wife, or a family?
Sure let’s just drop some constitutional rights and allow cops to pull us over for no reason too because my sister happens to be a cop … OH and don’t worry cops are cool and they would NEVER pull you over for no reason even though they could legally. Let’s just make it legal for cops to search without warrants just because my friends happen to be state troopers … OH and don’t worry cops are cool and they would NEVER search you for no reason even though they could legally. You’ve got to be kidding me. I suppose Habeus Corpus doesn’t mean a damn thing because ‘our government can be trusted' … OH and don’t worry ‘your government loves you’ and they would NEVER do anything like that even though they could under the revised constitution. Let’s just ‘assume’ that the Patriot Act is our friend because ‘the name sounds nice' and apathy is convenient.
Does that make any sense? No it doesn't, but you do have the choice to be laid back, overly trusting, and apathetic. People like that will still be doubting what's going on around them even while they are living in a ditch. It's very sad.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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NineInchNails said: Does that make any sense? No it doesn't, but you do have the choice to be laid back, overly trusting, and apathetic.
Of course that doesn't make any sense; you've built up a straw man argument. No one is saying that the government is perfect, or that we should always trust cops; we're just refusing to believe this conspiracy theory BS. There is no evidence for it, and it is all about blowing tiny things way out of proportion. Come out of your bunker, put your Year Zero on mute for a second, and think about how many of your beliefs are backed by rational thought.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
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Idk why people get so outraged when they hear things like this. All threw history government's have been lying to citizens to control them. Sending them to war for rulers own greed and power.
I love my country, AMERICA RULES however I do not like how our "choosen" leaders are doing what they are doing. On cameras different political party's act like they hate each other but the truth is they are all working towards the same agenda's.
This country has had to go threw its struggles in the past for independence. What makes you think our generation won't have to do the same to keep this a free country with a constitution and form of government that has worked for ages. Now they want to change that ?
Don't blame terrorism as there are records through out history where government's actually run false flag operations where they are behind them or allow a terrorist attack in there country. So they can use it to strike fear into the citizens to gain there cooperation with process of turning there government into a dictatorship. Which is what 9/11 gave them the chance to do.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
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I agree with what you're saying for the most part. The "terrorist threat" was puffed up enormously by the Bush administration and Obama isn't doing much better. The Iraq war was BS, it was totally unjustified. 9/11 gave the neoconservatives a massive hard-on because they knew they'd be able to get away with a ton of stuff that would never fly otherwise.
Does this mean that the military is training to kill American citizens, or the government preparing to impose martial law? THAT is a stretch and there is no evidence to support it.
I'm all for being untrusting of the government and thinking for yourself, but I'm not about to hide out in my basement with an AR-15 waiting for the day the army will break down my door. Even if everything you say is true, there isn't a thing you could do about it. No one will believe you and you wouldn't last a second against an army that shoots to kill.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that we DIDN'T have the right to privacy?
Yes. The fourth amendment is as close as it comes, and thats not very close in my opinion. There is no part of the constitution that says the government won't spy on you or otherwise violate your privacy. I am not aware of any laws that give you a right to privacy.
If such a law exists I would like to know about it, as I value my privacy and consider myself a privacy advocate.
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The Patriot Act along with other pillaging of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by our Federal government has done away with that.
Everyone complains about the patriot act, with good reason, but I have yet to see any negative effects stem from its passage. The stuff that really annoys me (warrentless wiretapping, the war on drugs, secret prisons, guantanamo, war, etc) is not in the patriot act.
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Thats where the precedent for the legality of birth control and abortion comes from doesnt it?
I just read the 14th amendment and I didn't see where it gave us a right to privacy, but apparently some courts have interpreted it that way so maybe its hiding in there.
Also, with regards to the original topic of this thread - US troops asked if they would shoot US citizens. I don't really think its that surprising that they would be asked that. If there was some sort of militia / violent revolution I would expect that the army would try to protect the government that is in place. Thats what armies do. Sometimes doing that job requires that you kill the people who are fighting you, even if they happen to be US citizens. I don't like it but I would be surprised if it was any other way. Would you prefer that the army just sits there if they get attacked by some crazy militia from california?
Unless you plan to fight the US army with guns I don't see how this is relevant. I expect the army to train for everything, including unpleasant things like shooting US citizens.
I personally hate the army (all branches of the armed forces actually) and I wish they would go away, but thats not realistic. Sometimes when I get frustrated I call my senator and ask them to cut the military budget in half, or if I am really annoyed I ask for them to cut all of it. Doesn't seem to have any effect but it makes me feel better and its good for a laugh.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Sometimes when I get frustrated I call my senator and ask them to cut the military budget in half, or if I am really annoyed I ask for them to cut all of it. Doesn't seem to have any effect but it makes me feel better and its good for a laugh.
I'm glad you get a sense of enjoyment from wanting to strip money from the defense budget. I mean, I personally enjoyed spending about 2 grand to buy my own shit for Iraq.
This thread has yet to deliver the ANSWERS of the service men and women who were asked if they could enforce martial law.
I think the answer would be a resounding "go fuck yourself."
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Crasher]
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I'm glad you get a sense of enjoyment from wanting to strip money from the defense budget.
Defense budget money is going directly down the toilet, I'll always work to lessen that budget.
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I mean, I personally enjoyed spending about 2 grand to buy my own shit for Iraq.
Going to Iraq was a bad use of your time and resources.
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This thread has yet to deliver the ANSWERS of the service men and women who were asked if they could enforce martial law.
I think the answer would be a resounding "go fuck yourself."
I agree 100%.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Lancaster there is plenty of proof that says otherwise about the impending martial law.
Bush threatened congress with martial law if they didn't pass his first bailout bill(5 trillion) for starters.
Detainment camps all over the US ran by FEMA ( they are prison camps, 800 of them) heres one link http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/210208Camps.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO504B.html
http://www.populistamerica.com/open_martial_law_coming_to_america
There are hundreds of links from the last several years, its been coming weve been warned numerous times but people are to lazy to pay attention.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
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Crasher has a point, and the experience to back up his opinions, but just cuz money isn't getting to troops doesn't mean we need more money. We may just need to make sure our troops have enough shit to make them safe rather then investing money in fancy fighter planes. Lets make sure we have suitable armor and weaponry for our troops that works for the conditions in which they are deployed before we blow money on fancy things.
And I agree with alan. (btw alan, the right to privacy comes from the ninth amendment, read roe v wade and griswold v connecticut (spelling?) Personally I think roe was wrongly decided and they just pulled trimesters out of their asses, but that's just me. I do believe the right to privacy exists in the ninth, but I also believe it only exists when the government doesn't have a specifically delineated contrary right in the given application. i.e. you have the right to enter into private transactions but you don't have that right in interstate comerce so far as the limitation is reasonably related to congresses authority to regulate such effectivly)
Nineinchenails:
I'm not interested in watching youtube videos. If I had to guess I'd say I've looked into this much more than you and am willing to be I'm allready well aware of these things. I may be wrong, and am not trying to say you should trust me but rather assuring you I am probably not ignorant of the things you speak of so far as they actually exist.
Either way, I'm not going to search out your argument in those videos.
Please cite the abrogations of our rights in the patriot act. I can understand your outrage over its passage, but the signifigance you place on the act is a bit much. (and I'd like to see you cite the provisions that elimante all those rights.)
Many people with your position seem ignorant to what the fourth amendment law really was prior to the patriot act and so think the measure was some revolutionary change when it really wasn't. (same with the wiretaps, habeos corpus arguments, jurisdictional limitations on it, et cet)
Alan is right: the major abuses existed long before the patriot act, and the patriot act in many cases just encoded procedures that were allready legal. Same as the outrage over the wiretaps- the government always had the authority to do that when targeting the people bush claims to be targeting.
Yes its wrong, but i think your presuming a more robust state of fourth amendment and habeas protection then really exists.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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Nine inch, Here's specifically what I find troubling about your assertions. Like I said, the law needs to be changed, but these things in particular I feel are incorrect or overblown:
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The patriot act names the citizens of the US unlawful combatants.
Not true
The president has the authority to prosecute wars. This includes dealing with combatents.
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We CAN be treated like enemies of war. No right to a speedy trial, held without being shown the evidence against us, no warrant required, etc...
Yes, and you always could. Regardless nobody is being held as such that I'm aware of, and the patriot act didn't allow it, its just the presidents authority as commander in chief and congresses stupid authorizations that gave him plennary authority.
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You can be held for an 'undetermined' length of time, tortured (legaly of course), just to name a few.
You have the right to habeas corpus, the right to not be tortured. The disagreement is over what torture is. The government can only hold you in this way if you are a war criminal, and you still have rights to contest that determination.
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You guys are so apathetic it�s ridiculous
This is what I find arrogant. When someone disagrees with you you presume ignorance and laziness. You don't know what level of reading we've done on the issue and it doesn't matter- support your contentions.
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Let�s just make it legal for cops to search without warrants just because my friends happen to be state troopers �
Where has this been said? The ability of cops to search without warrants is largely unchanged. What sepcifically are you referring to?
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I suppose Habeus Corpus doesn�t mean a damn thing because �our government can be trusted' � OH and don�t worry �your government loves you� and they would NEVER do anything like that even though they could under the revised constitution. Let�s just �assume� that the Patriot Act is our friend because �the name sounds nice' and apathy is convenient.
The patriot act doesn't eliminate habeas corpus and the government does not have the right to deprive a citezin of such no matter where in the world they are. Your going to have to cite this contention.
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Does that make any sense? No it doesn't,
Like the other poster said, these are mostly straw men arguments that weren't made. What was said was that while your concern is admirable your beliefs may be a bit off.
I agree we need change in fourth amendment law among others, but to think the patriot act was some major change that eliminated all our rights is silly beyond belief. Many of the things you've stated here aren't true.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
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dude its a conspiracy!!! alex jones said so!!!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: 2859558484]
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johnm214 said most of what I was going to, but let me add this:
There is a lot of potential for abuse when it comes to executive authority. There is undoubtedly much we do not know that goes on behind the scenes. There are parts of currently active laws that are very disturbing. The thing is, all of this is potential danger, not actual danger. The days of Bush are over. We endured 8 years of abuse of power and unconstitutional behavior. Many arabs and even some Europeans were imprisoned unjustly, and it was a tragedy. We entered into a massive police action that has, by some estimates, killed hundreds of thousands of people, including thousands of our own soldiers.
And we know about it. Watchdog organizations like the ACLU hover over our leaders constantly, checking them for signs of tyrannical behavior. Obama is ordering secret memos uncovered, and the Attorney General has declared "advanced interrogation techniques" (torture) outlawed. Within the first several weeks of his term, Obama reversed many of Bush's most dictatorial policies. To date, it is his greatest accomplishment.
And yet you still think we are under the reign of Bush. You link us to conspiracy theorist websites and show us videos made during Bush's term. The heyday of these websites is over, for now. If these massive new world order conspiracies were going to happen, they would have happened years ago. It looks to me like you've aligned yourself with these paranoid groups, and now that martial law was never imposed, and the police never kicked in your door, you are at a loss for what to do. Open the blinds and stop buying rations. Things are getting better.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: roby000]
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Roby000

my facts are pretty straight.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Crasher]
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I don't see how your drawing some huge difference between obama and bush. Obama is still holding those guys in cuba, supported the fisa bill, supports the present patriot act, is seemingly doing nothing different on iraq, and is expanding afghanistan where surely we will get a bunch more or these prisoners.
I don't see what was so bad about the imprisoning anyways, the bad part was simply the lack of any adequate process for them to contest the legality of their detention and the lack of transaparency, initially.
Only thing I've seen obama do is say he's not going to use the disputed interrogation tactics, which is a promise which really isnothing more than a promise, and say he'll move the prisoners in cuba elsewhere- which doesn't change anything but perception.
If obama came out and gave the detainees some legal rights or did anything about the patriot act and fisa bills he said he was against, before he voted for them, that might be something. All I can see is him lieing on these matters and then saying he'll use the army field manual for interrogations and close quanatanamo.
I just cannot see the difference there worthy of your distinction.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
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For some reason I think if you asked a jew in Germany if he thought that his fellow countymen had it in them to pack em in boxcars and gas em, they would have said "Don't be silly""They would never"
My point: THey would; if, they thought (or were someway manipulated into believing) that; they were doing it to "Save the country"
I love this discussion! It really breaks my heart when people go out of their way to lead a horse to water; but the S.O.B. WON'T DRINK IT!  
My advice (to those that think we're "Conspiracy THeorist") is; "Nevermind, ...you believe what you want, Stay in the bubble; it's safer in there!" You don't want the truth. You want Obama and his media moguls to LIE to ya make it sound FLY to ya
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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For some reason I think if you asked a jew in Germany if he thought that his fellow countymen had it in them to pack em in boxcars and gas em, they would have said "Don't be silly""They would never"
My point: THey would; if, they thought (or were someway manipulated into believing) that; they were doing it to "Save the country"
Yea they do it all the time, its called "the war on drugs".
Something worse than conspiracy that you suspected is actually operating right in front of your face, funded by everyones tax dollars. A mass kidnapping campaign.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I see instead of answering the well articulated objections to the just plain incorrect and overblown assertions above you've decided to just take on a superior attitude and bang your head against the wall as if this is frustrating to you.
Protip: Not making shit up, knowing your facts, and providing those facts convinces people. Saying a bunch of incorrect stuff and refusing to answer challenges doesn't.
I don't even know wtf you are arguing about. Everyone here seems to agree the patriot act and such sucks, so what exactly are you talking about? Who went out of their way to lead a horse to water? A bunch of false and silly claims were made. I went out of my way to identify them and why they were silly. Then when it sets in that reality doesn't match your opinion you throw a fit rather than providing evidence to support whatever it is you are claiming- which you've not shared with us.

agree with allan, their is real stuff happening right in front of us that both parties participate in and promote. Do something about that and read up on what the patriot act actually did and what the current state of the fourth amendment is.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
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Bush threatened congress with martial law if they didn't pass his first bailout bill(5 trillion) for starters.
Detainment camps all over the US ran by FEMA ( they are prison camps, 800 of them) heres one link http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/210208Camps.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO504B.html
http://www.populistamerica.com/open_martial_law_coming_to_america
There are hundreds of links from the last several years, its been coming weve been warned numerous times but people are to lazy to pay attention.
LOL how could anyone link to one of alex jone's websites as a ref? How could anyone take something seriously thats obviously such a money making venture. He believes in the reptile overlords for god's sake.
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How could anyone take something seriously thats obviously such a money making venture. He believes in the reptile overlords for god's sake.
You are confusing Alex Jones with David Icke. Alex Jones doesn't believe in reptilians as far as I know.
I am glad Alex Jones is there, if the government does try to pull something at least he will help get the word out.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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 he is a scam artist of sorts in my eyes his website is laden with so many ads lol maybe he doesnt believe in the reptiles but im sure i could find a mass of conspiracies that he offers on DVD for sale that have a laughable basis. like fema camps.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: 2859558484]
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 ... you people just don't get it...and its okay; I don't expect you to...I wouldn't wish this curse (of knowing the truth) on my worst enemy... Nevermind; forget I ever said anything; You're "Right" ...nothings wrong... We're okay... I'm chicken little... whatever whatever...
I don't give a fuck... Look it up yourself...I already have; and I'm telling you..."It anit lookin too pretty out here" you wanna know what that means? here, I'll get you started... Google video:(or youtube) these: "Fema Coffins" "Rex 84" "Project Bluebeam" "Phil Schnider" "Baltic Dry index" "New world order" "Obama Revealed" or "Obama Deception" "Illumanati" "Why 2pac got shot" "Hip Hop revealed" or "Hip Hop uncovered" "David Koresh" "Black Out" "Chemtrails" ...just to name a few... I'm tellin you man, FUCK THE MATRIX! Take the red pill! you DON'T wanna know how deep the rabbit hole goes!
....any questions?
EDIT: Oh, and for the love of GOD, don't get me started on 911... we could be here all night... but I think thats where it starts...once you realize the truth about that... THEN; you get it... so, I suggest you start there, Goole video "911 truth."
watch that video in my sig.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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If you want to know the truth look at history. The US has existed a long time and things have mostly been just fine so far, and slowly improving. There is every reason to believe that things will remain generally pretty good. If anything the advent of the internet is changing the world for the better by decentralizing news sources and getting more information to the people.
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Oh, and for the love of GOD, don't get me started on 911... we could be here all night... but I think thats where it starts...once you realize the truth about that... THEN; you get it... so, I suggest you start there, Goole video "911 truth."
Why does it matter who did 9/11? I am pretty sure its defense contractors. So its basically people who work in the government. Who cares? How would you behave differently if you knew exactly who did it? People care less and less about 9/11 every day, though the people who did it are surely still alive.
The evil things that the US government does are no secret. They aren't going to stick you in a FEMA camp. They have never done that to anyone except the Japanese and you can't be productive and pay taxes there. They are thousands of times more likely to find a pot stem in your garbage and raid your house and point guns at you and imprison you at taxpayer expense.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10205359 - 04/21/09 02:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know if your trolling for reactions or what.
But basically- you believe shit that's patently false, then criticize others for not beleving in *somthing* (you still haven't told us) and then throw a fit when people ask for evidence that what you say is true.
What always perplexes me is how folks like this get mad if others don't accept their beliefs on blind faith. Whats more, it is hard to believe they themselves believe it on anything more than blind fiath given their consistant inability to communicate the basis for their beliefs to others. And the kicker is these are the same folks who rail against the silliness of following the government's marching orders without critical self aprisal or adhering to a religions dogma unquestionably.
You guys are all about the faith- you just pick and choose what you want to believe and throw a fit if others don't adopt your world view as soon as you whine on some message board about some incoherent nonsense you refuse to explain.
and 9/11 is really off topic. Start another thread if you think there is some possible way that has anything to do with this forum's topic.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
#10205649 - 04/21/09 06:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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1st of all; I'm not whining, 2nd of all, I just told you it's fine, nothings wrong and that everythings gonna be okay... So what that there's a guy creeping in your house late at night with a hatchet...I highly doubt he's gonna chop you up...He prolly just wants to talk... Read this!
I don't make "Baseless assertions" I Assert that I know what I'm talking about; but I'm not gonna sit here and waste my time showing you things that you wont believe. I told you what to search; if, you did that, then you would know what I'm talking about.
ANALOGY: I can show you where the church is; but I'm not gonna preach to you... if you wanna know what we believe; and why, YOU gotta SEEK IT.
How bout this: I DARE YOU to look into it!(the things listed above) Double dog dare you!
you wouldn't back down from a dare would you?
All you have to lose, ...is your faith in humanity (so don't do it)(or you'll be sorry)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10205679 - 04/21/09 07:07 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Imagine that coming out of Alan Rockefeller said. Just look at his last name lol.
Son to say who cares who carried out 9/11 is offensive and makes you sound like a traitor or even a terrorist. Are you ?
This is getting a bit ridiculous people refuse to believe truths that are out there. They want to believe there lives in the hands of world leaders they THINK they elected (your not really picking they pick for you)to better the world. They do not care about you and me or for the better of the people.
So when your homeless or your house is being raided for weapons and food supplies by your own US army, or UN foreign troops and there raping your wife, ripping your family apart and sending you to a "fema camp" then don't come crying asking for help. Simple as that, end of story.
The world is much more than sports, music, clothing, cars, and the latest gossip...Wake up be prepared, and don't let yourself be fooled. Throughout history man kind has had to fight for its freedom what makes you think it won't be needed again ?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10205762 - 04/21/09 07:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're right. The government is going to raid my house for weapons and food then rape my wife because it is all in their best interest right??
And yeah definitely, the world isn't all about sports, music, clothing, cars etc. Those things are just a distraction so we'll get all big and juicy so someday obama and hilary clinton can eat us.
So because throughout history man has had to fight for freedom, that automatically means that the U.S. government is going to turn against its own citizens?
You know if it were like you say it is, then because of your anti-american and slightly terroristic rants that you are openly expressing on the internet, the "big mean nazi government" would track you down, come and rape YOUR wife and kill you dead after they torture you. But they won't. Because they don't give a shit. They are fine with silly people believing outrageous things about them because they understand that there are crazy people in the world.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
#10205817 - 04/21/09 08:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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LightShedder said: You're right. The government is going to raid my house for weapons and food then rape my wife because it is all in their best interest right??
And yeah definitely, the world isn't all about sports, music, clothing, cars etc. Those things are just a distraction so we'll get all big and juicy so someday obama and hilary clinton can eat us.
So because throughout history man has had to fight for freedom, that automatically means that the U.S. government is going to turn against its own citizens?
You know if it were like you say it is, then because of your anti-american and slightly terroristic rants that you are openly expressing on the internet, the "big mean nazi government" would track you down, come and rape YOUR wife and kill you dead after they torture you. But they won't. Because they don't give a shit. They are fine with silly people believing outrageous things about them because they understand that there are crazy people in the world.
nice smoke and mirrors, but it doesn't make me feel any better.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DrugsRbadMkay]
#10205830 - 04/21/09 08:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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There going to raid your house take large food supplies and weapons in there best interest your correct. They want to control the food supply, and they don't want people having weapons to fight back.
Cars, clothes, gossip, tv they are all part of life and great but they use it to distract you from paying attention to important things.
Fighting for freedom has nothing to do with our government turning on us, Its the banking industry that controls the worlds governments. It's all about money and power trips.It's the Elite who want to use us like slaves, and they happen to have many of our leaders on strings like little puppets. So get it right before you open your iggnorant mouth.
Im a patriot I love my country I love love love love it!! I just don't like what is going on. So fuck you LightSheddar your a retard and don't deserve to speak to me.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10205886 - 04/21/09 08:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck me? I don't deserve to speak to you? All because I have a different, more rational opinion then yours. That's extreme.
But it's ok. I'm developing more of an understanding for you crazy fucks with tinfoil hats on by observing your hostility. It's no wonder someone like you would take any possible chance to start whining and getting all crazy mad. Silly government conspiracies are a perfect opportunity for angry irrational folks like yourself to start letting some of that hostility and angry out.
It's kind of cute. If you were my kid I'd send you to therapy.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
#10206965 - 04/21/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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... you people just don't get it...and its okay; I don't expect you to...I wouldn't wish this curse (of knowing the truth) on my worst enemy... Nevermind; forget I ever said anything; You're "Right" ...nothings wrong... We're okay... I'm chicken little... whatever whatever...
LOL....classic anxsty conspiracy theorists
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Silly government conspiracies are a perfect opportunity for angry irrational folks like yourself to start letting some of that hostility and angry out.
this is usually the case. they gotta have SOMEONE to blame for things that are usually beyond their grasp to contemplate.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10207052 - 04/21/09 12:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What could you do if the military came for you anyway? Not like we'd have much of a chance.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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FellowGrower said: I don't make "Baseless assertions" I Assert that I know what I'm talking about
I find it both saddening and hilarious that you made a baseless assertion in a sentence about you making baseless assertions. I'm sorry, but you "know" about as much as your youtube conspiracy theory channel tells you.
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FellowGrower said: but I'm not gonna sit here and waste my time showing you things that you wont believe.
I wish this were true.
The bottom line here is that there a people who will believe whatever they see on a message board or on youtube. There are also people who believe whatever their parents tell them about religion. It is all blind faith, and the only thing you can do is make those baseless assertions we were talking about earlier. You act as though you have some great painful secret; this is laughable. All you have is a child-like affinity for BS and the time to read through mountains of conspiracy garbage written by teenagers who spend their time reading way too far into NIN lyrics when they aren't playing WoW and convincing people like you that we are the victims of reptile coups.
What a waste of time.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10207076 - 04/21/09 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what that there's a guy creeping in your house late at night with a hatchet...I highly doubt he's gonna chop you up...He prolly just wants to talk...
Your senses are deceiving you, the guy isn't really there at all.
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Read this!
Ok I read the article about Waco, Texas. How does that have anything to do with what we are talking about?
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Imagine that coming out of Alan Rockefeller said. Just look at his last name lol.
Yes the evil Rockefeller family is deceiving you again.
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Son to say who cares who carried out 9/11 is offensive and makes you sound like a traitor or even a terrorist.
Its true though, if you walk down the street talking about 9/11, you'll be hard pressed to find someone who gives a shit.
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Are you ?
Absolutely.
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This is getting a bit ridiculous people refuse to believe truths that are out there.
You aren't doing a very good job proving your points.
I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
Are you saying that the world is going to shit and the US government is about to imprison everyone? Or is it something else? Which truths should I believe?
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So when your homeless or your house is being raided for weapons and food supplies by your own US army
I really doubt the US army wants my food or my bb gun. I did just pick 15 pounds of morels this weekend, but I already gave most of them away.
The US Army doesn't have a history of doing that so its sort of silly to argue that its going to happen. Their job is not to raid houses and get guns and food. If they start behaving like that they will have a hard time getting funding from congress.
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or UN foreign troops and there raping your wife, ripping your family apart and sending you to a "fema camp" then don't come crying asking for help. Simple as that, end of story.
You are seriously worried about that stuff? Don't you have realistic things to worry about, things that would actually happen?
What benefit would the US government obtain by sending lots of people to a FEMA camp? Wouldn't that be a big waste of money and resources for no tangible benefit?
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or UN foreign troops and there raping your wife
How often does that happen in the US? Do you have any reason to believe that this will become a problem in the future?
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There going to raid your house take large food supplies and weapons in there best interest your correct. They want to control the food supply, and they don't want people having weapons to fight back.
That has never happened before in the US, what makes you sense this drastic change in behavior?
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Fighting for freedom has nothing to do with our government turning on us, Its the banking industry that controls the worlds governments. It's all about money and power trips.It's the Elite who want to use us like slaves, and they happen to have many of our leaders on strings like little puppets. So get it right before you open your iggnorant mouth.
The elite have been using people as slaves for many years. Its called making people pay rent. If you have a house and a car you will basically be a slave for life. Its right out in the open, no FEMA camps are needed to enslave everyone.
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Im a patriot I love my country I love love love love it!!
Its OK but other countries are better than the US. The US is full of fat, lazy ignorant people. Not sure why you are so crazy about it.
The US is a good place to live and I don't see that changing any time soon, but love is a strong word.
The US has 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prisoners. This to me indicates that they are doing something horribly wrong.
The US wants to put you in prison for smoking weed or using other drugs. They literally want to kidnap you any chance they get. If you find a large patch of the "wrong" mushroom they will apply long mandatory minimum prison sentences. How can you love a country that has a policy like that?
If I had a crazy uncle, lets call him sam, and he wanted to toss me in a little metal box for smoking weed I would tell him to fuck off and I certainly wouldn't love him.
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I just don't like what is going on.
Nothing is going on that hasn't been happening for a very long time. Please help me understand why you are so alarmed about it.
As long as there have been people, people have been saying that the world is about to end. They get proven wrong time and time again. The world is just fine, the real enemy is old age. Its going to kill you long before government agents seize all your guns and put you into a prison camp.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10209090 - 04/21/09 06:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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...Here, (out of the kindness of my heart) I'mll make it REAL easy for ya'll [url=&ei=fl3uSaqpDZrAqgLjjvHdBA&q=in+the+shadows&hl=en]CLICK ON THIS!!![/url]
...Then; (if you watch ALL of it)(with an open mind)(and assume that you know nothing) you MIGHT get a Clue... as to what I'm talking about. BTW: if was bullshit; why was it on CNN? think about it!
Have any of you reasearched those key words I gave you?
I've said before, I'll say it again, The jews didn't think they would be hauled off in boxbars and gassed to death by the millions...
I bet if someone warned them of this; they would have wrote it off saying things like..."It's not in their best intrest to nuke us" and "WHY would they do something like that?"
SOmeone said "Worry about things that could actually happen" ...The MUTHAFUCKIN HOLACOAST actually happened...Okay? so don't go there. And as any historian knows "History repeats itself" Freedom isn't free? Exactly; What have you done for yours lately? ...EXACTLY! our apathy isn't going unnoticed (FYI)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10209295 - 04/21/09 06:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure there is a better way to convince us than by trying to get us to watch a ten hour "documentary". Note: I try to avoid watching things that promise to "take me down the rabbit hole".
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10209332 - 04/21/09 06:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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...Here, (out of the kindness of my heart) I'mll make it REAL easy for ya'll [url=
That video is two and a half hours long, and I am already familiar with all the common conspiracy theories.
Can you tell me which points in the video you find particularly noteworthy?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10209708 - 04/21/09 07:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't even know what point you are trying to make.
Exactly, I don't know wtf he's even talking about. I know he believes something, and that its different then what I've said, but other than the patently false claims about the patriot act and the habeas corpus rights of US citizens, it seems its all some mysterious assertion he's not at liberty to discuss.
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That video is two and a half hours long, and I am already familiar with all the common conspiracy theories.
Can you tell me which points in the video you find particularly noteworthy?
Yeah, the information density of those videos is very, very, very, low.
Its all these vague "what if" statemetns coupled with soem douche talking about speculative bs and stringing together a bunch of facts in a complicated texas sharpshooter fallacy to point to some vague conclusion.
If you can't even be bothered to state what you are asserting and provide the evidence for it I don't have much faith that investing time in some video will allow me to devine your arguments either.
"your an idiot for not beleiving this"
"what's 'this'?"
"watch this video full of vague claims and inuendo"
k.... couldn't you just tell us?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
#10210222 - 04/21/09 08:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This reminds me of that Dr Suess book: "Green eggs and ham" ...look, I know you THINK you know whats in that video and what its about; but, you obviously don't... You're making decisions about it before you watch it! (this won't work) ...as I said, with an OPEN MIND, assume you know nothing; and watch it... THEN, (and only then) will I respect your veiwpoint...
Would you watch it in the nude? Would you watch it eating food? Would watch it on Youtube? would you watch it when your in the mood? Will you watch it with a dude? Will you watch it on the News? WIll you watch it drinking booze? WIll you watch it just for clues?
JUST FUCKIN WATCH IT! ...Stop being a puss! You think I wanna believe this shit? Its Horrifing! but, I'm left with no choice...
So what is it "Specifically" that I'm refering to? I would tell you, but dude, It'd take me ALL Night and 1/2 of tommorow!
I'm telling you: DON'T LISTEN TO ME! "I'm full of shit" whatever you want to believe is fine; but, until you've seen that movie (in full)(open-minded) then discussing it is just
so forget it; nevermind I said anything... but good luck figuring out Project Bluebeam...(if/when) it happens...
Movie is too long? ...ITS FUCKIN MOVIE! So lemme get this right; you HAVE TIME to watch "Other Movies" that are totally make believe? but when it comes to having time to watch something REAL;(or potentially real) that affects YOU directly..."Oh, you don't got time for that " ...Eh?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10210635 - 04/21/09 10:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yo fellowgrower could you do us a favor and just stop posting in this thread? You said earlier that you would leave us ignorant folk alone. I would be really really relieved if you would do that, because you obviously have far more truth than my puny mind can handle. I'm just too closed minded. If only I could come to realize that there are hatchet-wielding U.N. troops waiting to kick in my door, steal my food, and rape my wife. I'm sorry, but I'm too much of an idiot to believe any of this stuff. I know it must be tough to carry the heavy burden of knowledge that you have.
Don't feel bad though, ignorant people like me will be the first to die when the waves of shock troops descend upon the shopping malls and nail salons of suburban America.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10211872 - 04/22/09 02:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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FellowGrower said: Movie is too long? ...ITS FUCKIN MOVIE! So lemme get this right; you HAVE TIME to watch "Other Movies" that are totally make believe? but when it comes to having time to watch something REAL;(or potentially real) that affects YOU directly..."Oh, you don't got time for that " ...Eh?

...K, I'll close with this, I've never heard someone say "Yeah I was a 9-11 truther then I found out it was all bullshit...I have however met hundreds of people (yes hundreds) that say essentially the opposite Saying quote: "Yeah, I used to make fun of people and call them "Conspiracy Theorist"...UNTIL I WATCHED THAT VIDEO! then,(and only then) I could see, that maybe (just maybe) green eggs and ham wasn't so bad after all! and that I TOO LIKED IT! NOW EVERYWHERE I GO I OFFER IT TO PEOPLE THAT REFUSE TO TRY IT! And they say "No, No" and I say, JUST FUCKIN TRY IT!
Now Project bluebeam? I don't neccesarily subscribe to that; but 911 was an inside job...and david koresh was murdered. that being said, there's no telling what our govt is up to "Behind the curtains" thats why I say, it STARTS with an understanding of 911 (thats why you need to watch that movie!)(ITS IMPORTANT!)
K Bye! God Bless!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10211913 - 04/22/09 02:56 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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lol.. reading fellow growers ratings is a trip.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10211937 - 04/22/09 03:07 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Hahaha guess what guys... we get to see the rise of the fourth reich. I'm stoked, it should be interesting at least. Maybe we will live to see the day when we have a 9 digit number stamped on our arms. P.S this is exactly why the second amendment is in place. It's not just for enemies without, but enemies within.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10212011 - 04/22/09 03:48 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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I think its arrogant to presume people aren't giving the 9/11 theories a fair shot.
I was intrigued after watching loose change and reading the evidence folks compiled, I was very interested. I don't believe our government "isn't capable" of such a thing, obviously they are.
Its just that I don't make decisions, if I can at all help it, on what I believe without hearing the evidence. Watching loose change isn' decent evidence because i don't know what they say to be correct. So I read about the movie and read into the things I found intriguing, building 7, the pentagon and the crash scene, the supposed lack of response and protocol.
After trying to verify the things I found intriguing I was left with a bunch of stuff that I couldn't say led me to believe it was anything other than what it is, roughly, purported to be officially.
Maybe your not observing people that were truthers going to the other side because the people that are truthers are probably not the kinds of folks who like to gather all the evidence before making a decision? Just a generalization, but I think its accurate. There will be those who would never believe the 9/11 theories and then their would be the guys in the middle, like me I think. I looked into it and couldn't rest my hat on anything.
The whole thing had very little evidence other than means (in some theories) and motive. Even these are weak as it just doesn't make sense that they would choose such a target in such a spectacular way when all they had to do was park a damn UPS car there or soemthing and blow it up
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Anonymous #1]
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i dont really know whats going on in the thread right now but for the OP.
I wouldn't put it past the fuckers to try. TRY
It wouldn't happen though man, it would cause a civil war. Then while were in turmoil the commies would try and take us over. Im sure our government has a much better plan.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
#10212290 - 04/22/09 06:56 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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so when does the shit go down???
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: CaptainCrunch]
#10212521 - 04/22/09 08:31 AM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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CaptainCrunch said: lol.. reading fellow growers ratings is a trip. 
... ... ... ... Wait till you get a load of my threads!!! (The older ones) (way back) (when I was Goldenschlager) they're a RIOT!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10213949 - 04/22/09 02:24 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 / PATRIOT ACT II
Forgive people from referring to "the patriot act" because the Domestic Security Enhancement Act WAS at first called 'Patriot Act II' then to remove any association from the first one ... they changed the name. Doing so DISCREDITS people (like me) who referrs to the patriot act in such a way.
Arrests of terrorism suspects who have not been charged with a crime (sec. 201) - which might include material witness detainees, immigration detainees, or Americans citizens or others labeled ""enemy combatants"" by the President;
The government would no longer be required to disclose the identity of anyone, even an American citizen, detained in connection with a terror investigation - until criminal charges are filed, no matter how long that takes (sec 201). Current court limits on local police spying on religious and political activity would be repealed (sec. 312). The government would be allowed to obtain credit records and library records without a warrant (secs. 126, 128, 129).
The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded - individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
Americans could be extradited, searched and wiretapped at the behest of foreign nations, whether or not treaties allow it (sec. 321, 322).
So ... American citizens are NAMED AS THE ENEMY. Detained without disclosure and without ANY right to a speedy trial. See any sign of constitutional rights there? Oh there's much more. Just look it up and read it.
Moronic requests for people to copy/paste the document itself would be ... well moronic. You're sitting at a computer ... use the mother fucker.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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...And what about the "HomeGrown Terroizm Act" that will make it illegal to protest the war!? sittin on the senate floor RIGHT NOW!... I told you!...its fuctdup out here man... so get ready! in these financial times; Dont buy gold; BUY BULLETS!
That's what (I think) people don't even realize; Our "Rights" are being slowly taken away thru "Silent Legislation" WAKE UP PEOPLE! The time for the revolution is NOW. (Right Now) not tommorow, not in a week or so...RIGHT MUTHAFUCKIN NOW
Another thing I wanted to say about that video (that none of you watcheed) the thing is this, that shit came out post Obama inauguration; That shit is FRESH. You've seen similiar films; BUT NOT THAT ONE... Anybody that can watch that whole movie and still tell me that they don't believe it was an inside job is a fuckin idiot.bar none, the level of Denial it would take, to keep your opinion the same is incomprehensible!
Matter of fact; if you can watch it and still keep your current "Faith in our Govt" ...I'll suck your fuckin dick! and I'm not gay; so, that would be a huge sacrifice I'm making!;)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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Speaking of bullets ... did you see that bill that even California wouldn't pass? They wanted to put a unique serial number on each bullet and casing. Basically if they couldn't get the guns then they wanted to register every single bullet ... of course a tax goes along with that.
Good thing it didn't pass. My bullets are expensive enough 



Things are getting crazier by the day. Check out what the G20 summit produced. It's despicable. Right now over 1 MILLION U.S. civilians are considered 'suspected terrorists' under this act.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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And I know for a FACT that I am one of those million...
(just from the whistle blowing I've done over the past 2 years)
but getting back on topic...Uh, what was the topic again? oh, yeah, Oh...they'll shoot...believe me when I tell you...the mind of a soldier at war (real or make believe) isn't like the one of a rational human being.
If he believes the war is "REAL" ...He'll shoot the enemy...
Look; listen; to what's happening in Iraq!!! They didn't do shit! but now their dead...why? kuz the soldier believed them to be "enemies"
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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We are all aware of the patriot act/s. The dispute is whether or not it is relevant to the average american citizen. I, for one, am of the belief that the patriot act was instated for exactly the reason they say it was. And that was to gather intelligence for our nation's safety in ways that would have been considered illegal before. That doesn't mean that now there are millions or even thousands of citizens getting paid CONFIDENTIAL wages to listen in on everyone elses phone calls.
You could sit there and dwell on the negativity going on in the world right now( and don't worry, I won't argue with you on the fact that this place is getting extremely fucked) and you can let it bother you. Or you can ignore it and try to avoid the shit at all costs and I can tell you from experience that if you want it to be irrelevant to your life and happiness, then it is very easy to do so. You can live your whole life never knowing about any corruption or any kind of bullshit. Just try. You'll probably feel better. Not to say that you don't already feel fine thinking that the government is about to imprison everyone and rape their family members.
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Matter of fact; if you can watch it and still keep your current "Faith in our Govt" ...I'll suck your fuckin dick! and I'm not gay; so, that would be a huge sacrifice I'm making!;)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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FellowGrower said: And I know for a FACT that I am one of those million...
(just from the whistle blowing I've done over the past 2 years)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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And I know for a FACT that I am one of those million...
(just from the whistle blowing I've done over the past 2 years)
How do you know that the government thinks your a terrorist? What whistle blowing did you do? Is whistle blowing a common terrorist behavior?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10219513 - 04/23/09 11:18 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah fellowgrower, you're so important. The government has resources to pay attention to a bunch of likely terrorists like yourself. You're one of a kind I tell ya.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
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my friend lake is in iraq right now and sent him an e-mail to ask if he is being trained to police us and if he would shoot me if he was ordered to all that yea blah blah. ill get back to yall on what he says. Peace
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
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I been doin a lot of fuel escorts, and the kurds and turks hate each other, so we have to break up their little gang wars, but other than that, pretty boring. and no, I'd shoot my supervisor, then run fast. fuck this country, and fuck haaji freedom! ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: elesdee To: ><my friend>< Date: Apr 23, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Hey!
how ya doing man? any cool stuff happen? staying away from trouble i hope! do you feel like your being trained to police people like in a Marshall law? fuck the new world order! would you shoot me if i wouldnt give my guns up and you were ordered to? Please stay safe dude! miss ya.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
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Damn, SO nobody took me up on that blowjob offer eh? 
Hey, Have you all read my story? Of when I got busted? Well then check that shit out! (by clicking) THIS!
Make sure you read my post just below it as well!
I'm taking my narcoleptic ass to bed...I'll TTYL.
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FellowGrower said: Damn, SO nobody took me up on that blowjob offer eh? 
Hey, Have you all read my story? Of when I got busted? Well then check that shit out! (by clicking) THIS!
Make sure you read my post just below it as well!
I'm taking my narcoleptic ass to bed...I'll TTYL.
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Yeah, I have read it, and I don't believe a word of it. That story is the strongest evidence I've seen for you being a troll. I would have called you out on it by now, because your behavior is so unbelievable, but you've made so many posts that you would have to be the most dedicated troll ever.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
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(please) ...I'd appreciate it.
You're gonna fuck around and get me kicked off here; then, me and you gonna be fightin FOR REAL!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
#10226077 - 04/24/09 01:04 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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LightShedder said: We are all aware of the patriot act/s. The dispute is whether or not it is relevant to the average american citizen. I, for one, am of the belief that the patriot act was instated for exactly the reason they say it was. And that was to gather intelligence for our nation's safety in ways that would have been considered illegal before. That doesn't mean that now there are millions or even thousands of citizens getting paid CONFIDENTIAL wages to listen in on everyone elses phone calls.
You could sit there and dwell on the negativity going on in the world right now( and don't worry, I won't argue with you on the fact that this place is getting extremely fucked) and you can let it bother you. Or you can ignore it and try to avoid the shit at all costs and I can tell you from experience that if you want it to be irrelevant to your life and happiness, then it is very easy to do so. You can live your whole life never knowing about any corruption or any kind of bullshit. Just try. You'll probably feel better. Not to say that you don't already feel fine thinking that the government is about to imprison everyone and rape their family members.
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The dispute is whether or not it is relevant to the average american citizen
YES it is relevan to the average citizen. What ... you don't think that you are included in the Patriot Act II? YES you are ... we all are. It doesn't matter whether you are doing anything wrong or not ... we are all suspected therefore fall under the power of that Act.
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I, for one, am of the belief that the patriot act was instated for exactly the reason they say it was
It doesn't matter what the purpose of the Act was for. The end result is that WE THE PEOPLE loose all rights. Being apathetic doesn't make you immune or give you any rights.
This is precisely the mindset, by dictionary definition, is referred to as 'apathetic'. Just don't let it bother you, it doesn't pertain to me, that can never happen, etc... Well if it won’t happen then WHY shred the Constitution?? ? Does shredding the Constitution bother you? If it doesn’t then FORGET IT. Apathy is your solution and you do not deserve the rights that you have lost. What the hell … you don’t care anyway.
Oh ... I hear ya and I understand EXACTLY what you mean. Don't take offence at the above word either (apathetic). That is just what the word means.
So ... like I was saying previously ... should we just throw the Constitution out the window for all of us because few think that it wouldn't/couldn't happen? Should we toss out all our rights and leave us at the mercy of our government just because SOME people actually believe what our government says? HELL NO!!! That's why the Constitution and Bill of Rights says what it says. When a government shreds the Constitution … Americans should stand up and yell HELL NO, not just be apathetic.
Should we grant cops the right to pull you over and search for no reason … and just assume that they won’t actually do it? Hell NO. It’s the same scenario.
Should we have allowed our government the right to snatch up anyone they want, be held without disclosure, without the right to a fair trial, allow to be tortured, and transported out of the country without disclosure? HELL NO, but that’s just the way it is now.
That’s the whole point to this. Just sit back, don’t be aware, etc… just don’t say people are crazy when all American citizens lose liberties, lose their rights by the destruction of our Constitution by our own government, and are unjustifiably called suspected terrorists. You guys … we can’t afford to be so naive.
Once rights have been removed ... do you know of one instance where they have EVER been given back? You let them get their foot in the door, what do you think will happen next?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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What was unconstitutional about the patriot act?
In all your rhetoric you've never even told us what you are going on about.
Given the comments you've made before about things that were incorrect, its likely your confused what the problem actually is.
And I'm tiring of your presumptions. Who said they were apathetic? People disagree with you, sometimes when you are factually wrong, and you say they are apathetic cuz their not raging against things they don't understand like you.
Maybe if you were a bit more civil you'd get folks on your side more- that and if you'd stop the stream of generalities and make statements that are particular enough to be made sense of.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
#10227059 - 04/24/09 03:51 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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smells like a conspiracy
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: milkman]
#10227160 - 04/24/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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moonbases, brah
they plan em from the moonbases
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10227948 - 04/24/09 06:36 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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YES it is relevan to the average citizen. What ... you don't think that you are included in the Patriot Act II? YES you are ... we all are. It doesn't matter whether you are doing anything wrong or not ... we are all suspected therefore fall under the power of that Act.
Do you know of anyone that has been affected by the patriot act?
I haven't heard anyone complaining about it, so this seems more like a theoretical issue.
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It doesn't matter what the purpose of the Act was for. The end result is that WE THE PEOPLE loose all rights.
Its not even remotely accurate to say that the patriot act causes us to lose all rights. You don't really seem to be aware of what the patriot act actually changed and what the effects of those changes were.
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This is precisely the mindset, by dictionary definition, is referred to as 'apathetic'. Just don't let it bother you, it doesn't pertain to me, that can never happen, etc...
Just because I don't want to spend my resources fighting a law that will probably never affect me or anyone I know doesn't mean I am apathetic. Its just that I know a time sink that will never benefit anyone when I see it.
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Should we toss out all our rights and leave us at the mercy of our government just because SOME people actually believe what our government says? HELL NO!!!
The patriot act doesn't toss out all rights. Doesn't sound like you have read it.
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When a government shreds the Constitution … Americans should stand up and yell HELL NO, not just be apathetic.
Not only is the constitution still there, its still in full effect.
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Should we grant cops the right to pull you over and search for no reason … and just assume that they won’t actually do it? Hell NO.
The patriot act doesn't say that.
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Should we have allowed our government the right to snatch up anyone they want, be held without disclosure, without the right to a fair trial, allow to be tortured, and transported out of the country without disclosure? HELL NO, but that’s just the way it is now.
Can you please kindly point out which provision of the patriot act gives the government the right to snatch up anyone they want, hold them without disclosure, without the right to a fair trial, allow to be tortured, and transported out of the country without disclosure?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10228191 - 04/24/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Alan Rockafeller; Here, I'll POST IT ONE MORE TIME!
Click; Read; and also read my post just below it... It happened to ME! SWEAR TO FUCKIN GOD that is a TRUE STORY!... when I yelled "You can't do this to me! I'm a G'DAM AMERICAN!" They(the cops) just BUSTED out LAUGHING! as if that was the funniest thing they had heard all day! It was the "Joke of the day" downtown at the station.
It's REAL! they don't give a fuck...
But even to confirm this further; I talked to my probation officer about it; and I was asking him WTF? and he's like "Yeah..." and knodded his head like; "That's right; you don't have any rights" cops do whatever the fuck they want! think about it! who's gonna stop em?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
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I have read that story and I agree that the police acted dishonorably.
My take on it is that they did have a warrant and they were just being dicks by refusing to show it to you.
But even if thats not the case I don't see what this has to do with the patriot act, FEMA camps, or any of the other stuff that you are worried about in this thread.
The experience you had is standard fare in the war on drugs. You should spend your time fighting the real problems which are out in the open, not some theoretical issue that is very unlikely to affect you, ever.
Join LEAP, MPP, DPA, NORML and DrcNet. If you don't have money you can email these organizations and ask how you can help fight the war on drugs. The professional drug reformers are very competent and they will have many suggestions.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10228451 - 04/24/09 08:06 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: I have read that story and I agree that the police acted dishonorably.
My take on it is that they did have a warrant and they were just being dicks by refusing to show it to you.
But even if thats not the case I don't see what this has to do with the patriot act, FEMA camps, or any of the other stuff that you are worried about in this thread.
The experience you had is standard fare in the war on drugs. You should spend your time fighting the real problems which are out in the open, not some theoretical issue that is very unlikely to affect you, ever.
Join LEAP, MPP, DPA, NORML and DrcNet. If you don't have money you can email these organizations and ask how you can help fight the war on drugs. The professional drug reformers are very competent and they will have many suggestions.
...Thanks but no thanks, I already tried the whole "Fight for the legalization" route... you know where I ended up? ...The looney bin; and, as it turned out, until I changed my story (That I am the MLK of the legalize movement) ...They wern't gonna let me out! so, in reality; Im just here on borrowed time b/c the looney bin let me go for "Good Behavior" (as long as I take their pills) they'll let me mingle with society...but; if i start "Acting Crazy" they'll throw me right back in there!
So, what's my "NEW STORY?" (glad you asked!)...I hate all drugs; drugs are bad, No one should be allowed to use them,or grow them, I'm glad they're illegal, Im thankful to the looney bin for showing me the "Error in my ways"...These pills make me feel so much better... Blah Blah Blah, (you know the routine)
but;so;yeah!(anyway)... THATS MY STORY AND I'M STICKIN TO IT!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10228831 - 04/24/09 09:46 PM (15 years, 28 days ago) |
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I think it's bullshit that you got sent to the loony bin for being against the war on drugs, there had to be other reasons why you got sent there...
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Poid]
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you were in an asylum? how unexpected. Have you ever thought for a minute that you might actually have mental issues that need to be dealt with before you can become a decent member of society? because you are coming off as someone who has a lot of issues.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said: Join LEAP, MPP, DPA, NORML and DrcNet. If you don't have money you can email these organizations and ask how you can help fight the war on drugs. The professional drug reformers are very competent and they will have many suggestions.
LEAP gave me good advice and helped me get some tough charges dropped in the past. Everything they told me was the same thing my high-cost lawyer said/did.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
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LEAP and NORML are the shit.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: I think it's bullshit that you got sent to the loony bin for being against the war on drugs, there had to be other reasons why you got sent there...
:Its a LONG story...Short version; That's not why I went (per sae) BUT its DEFINATLEY why they kept me there! I was seeking "Justification" for what had just happened to me (see story link above) and I wasn't gonna "Comply" with the bullshit anymore; until SOMEBODY, ANYBODY gave me a reason as to why its illegal...
What I found out was; there is no reason, and;but;so I was left with 3 options... either comply, stay in the looney bin, or go back to jail
So now I comply!;)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10232625 - 04/25/09 06:30 PM (15 years, 27 days ago) |
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Do you have a job? How do you support yourself?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
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i read the start of this thread and the ending and boy has it gone awry. being someone that is in the military and actually stationed in the middle east right this second i have not even smelled anything that remotely suggests we are training for military exercises in the u.s. granted I'm just a burned out truck driver but come on that is really stretching the bounds of reality. trust me i know what that's like i am posting on this site.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Doc_T]
#10274237 - 05/02/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Poid said: Is the military preparing for some sort of event that will require martial law to be implemented on US citizens? If not, then why are they training their soldiers to be ready for such an event?
It's a long-standing policy. I was in the Army in the 80's, and we trained for this.
You might, for example, have a town that has been infected with a bio-warfare agent and must be quarantined for the good of the nation.
(There was a movie like that- Outbreak).
my best friend is a marine, and he confirmed this to me. and he told me he was asked on a quiz whether or not he would kill americans if ordered to do so. but i also feel comforted in knowing that he told me that a vast majority of american soldiers would defect or refuse an attack on our people.
i dont think the government is prepared to go up against 100,000,000 + gun owners plus a vast majority of its own trained military. and they know it.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
#10274279 - 05/02/09 05:09 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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You can be held for an 'undetermined' length of time, tortured (legaly of course), just to name a few.
You have the right to habeas corpus, the right to not be tortured. The disagreement is over what torture is. The government can only hold you in this way if you are a war criminal, and you still have rights to contest that determination.
if the government decided to enact martial law and ban the ownership of guns, wouldnt anyone who refused to turn them over be considered a "war criminal"?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10283096 - 05/04/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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The original article doesn't have a reputable source. When you do a google search guess where it brings you? prisonplanet.com, Alex Jones website.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Rebirtha]
#10283764 - 05/04/09 01:28 PM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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a fountain of reputable knowledge
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
#10284124 - 05/04/09 02:38 PM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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Cubie's friend said: I been doin a lot of fuel escorts, and the kurds and turks hate each other, so we have to break up their little gang wars, but other than that, pretty boring. and no, I'd shoot my supervisor, then run fast. fuck this country, and fuck haaji freedom! ----------------- Original Message ----------------- From: elesdee To: ><my friend>< Date: Apr 23, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: Hey!
Cubie said: how ya doing man? any cool stuff happen? staying away from trouble i hope! do you feel like your being trained to police people like in a Marshall law? fuck the new world order! would you shoot me if i wouldnt give my guns up and you were ordered to? Please stay safe dude! miss ya.
your mutha fuckin homie ><cubie><
yall might have missed this but i really did ask my bestfriend in iraq that shit  Were all fine d00d!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
#10286423 - 05/04/09 08:33 PM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yeah; I've been thinking about it too and "Martial law" is just not fuckin FEASABLE at this point... Have ya driven around this muttafucka lately? You know how many fuckin PEOPLE there are!!!? ...the cop to person ratio in this country is about 1 outta every what...? like? 300? 400? But their guns are more Hi-tech than ours???
And;but;so I say that... but; WTF? the jews way out numbered the NAZIS too!???!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10286472 - 05/04/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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take your drivel to another website goldenschlager.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#10286686 - 05/04/09 09:05 PM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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Yes MAAM! ...But will you just read this again?
Then, when you're done with that; YOu can come at me in another thread...this anit the place... but bring it to my OTD thread...and lets see what your made of!!! Bring it on!!!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
#10286750 - 05/04/09 09:11 PM (15 years, 18 days ago) |
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how about i just ignore you?
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