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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10213949 - 04/22/09 02:24 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 / PATRIOT ACT II

Forgive people from referring to "the patriot act" because the Domestic Security Enhancement Act WAS at first called 'Patriot Act II' then to remove any association from the first one ... they changed the name. Doing so DISCREDITS people (like me) who referrs to the patriot act in such a way.

Arrests of terrorism suspects who have not been charged with a crime (sec. 201) - which might include material witness detainees, immigration detainees, or Americans citizens or others labeled ""enemy combatants"" by the President;     

The government would no longer be required to disclose the identity of anyone, even an American citizen, detained in connection with a terror investigation - until criminal charges are filed, no matter how long that takes (sec 201).   
 
Current court limits on local police spying on religious and political activity would be repealed (sec. 312).     

The government would be allowed to obtain credit records and library records without a warrant (secs. 126, 128, 129).       

The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded - individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).     

Americans could be extradited, searched and wiretapped at the behest of foreign nations, whether or not treaties allow it (sec. 321, 322).     

So ... American citizens are NAMED AS THE ENEMY.
Detained without disclosure and without ANY right to a speedy trial.
See any sign of constitutional rights there?
Oh there's much more. Just look it up and read it.

Moronic requests for people to copy/paste the document itself would be ... well moronic. You're sitting at a computer ... use the mother fucker.

Edited by NineInchNails (04/22/09 02:35 PM)

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
    #10214219 - 04/22/09 03:24 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

...And what about the "HomeGrown Terroizm Act" that will make it illegal to protest the war!? sittin on the senate floor RIGHT NOW!...
I told you!...its fuctdup out here man... so get ready! in these financial times; Dont buy gold; BUY BULLETS!

That's what (I think) people don't even realize; Our "Rights" are being slowly taken away thru "Silent Legislation" WAKE UP PEOPLE!
The time for the revolution is NOW. (Right Now) not tommorow, not in a week or so...RIGHT MUTHAFUCKIN NOW

Another thing I wanted to say about that video (that none of you watcheed) the thing is this, that shit came out post Obama inauguration; That shit is FRESH. You've seen similiar films; BUT NOT THAT ONE... Anybody that can watch that whole movie and still tell me that they don't believe it was an inside job is a fuckin idiot.bar none, the level of Denial it would take, to keep your opinion the same is incomprehensible!

Matter of fact; if you can watch it and still keep your current "Faith in our Govt" ...I'll suck your fuckin dick!:blowme: and I'm not gay;:shocked: so, that would be a huge sacrifice I'm making!;):shrug:

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10214526 - 04/22/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Speaking of bullets ... did you see that bill that even California wouldn't pass? They wanted to put a unique serial number on each bullet and casing. Basically if they couldn't get the guns then they wanted to register every single bullet ... of course a tax goes along with that.

Good thing it didn't pass. My bullets are expensive enough :rofl2:





Things are getting crazier by the day. Check out what the G20 summit produced. It's despicable. Right now over 1 MILLION U.S. civilians are considered 'suspected terrorists' under this act.

Edited by NineInchNails (04/22/09 04:27 PM)

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
    #10214908 - 04/22/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

And I know for a FACT that I am one of those million...

(just from the whistle blowing I've done over the past 2 years)

but getting back on topic...Uh, what was the topic again? oh, yeah,
Oh...they'll shoot...believe me when I tell you...the mind of a soldier at war (real or make believe) isn't like the one of a rational human being.

If he believes the war is "REAL" ...He'll shoot the enemy...

Look; listen; to what's happening in Iraq!!! They didn't do shit! but now their dead...why? kuz the soldier believed them to be "enemies"


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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10215863 - 04/22/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

We are all aware of the patriot act/s. The dispute is whether or not it is relevant to the average american citizen. I, for one, am of the belief that the patriot act was instated for exactly the reason they say it was. And that was to gather intelligence for our nation's safety in ways that would have been considered illegal before. That doesn't mean that now there are millions or even thousands of citizens getting paid CONFIDENTIAL wages to listen in on everyone elses phone calls.

You could sit there and dwell on the negativity going on in the world right now( and don't worry, I won't argue with you on the fact that this place is getting extremely fucked) and you can let it bother you. Or you can ignore it and try to avoid the shit at all costs and I can tell you from experience that if you want it to be irrelevant to your life and happiness, then it is very easy to do so. You can live your whole life never knowing about any corruption or any kind of bullshit. Just try. You'll probably feel better. Not to say that you don't already feel fine thinking that the government is about to imprison everyone and rape their family members.


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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
    #10216330 - 04/22/09 08:59 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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Matter of fact; if you can watch it and still keep your current "Faith in our Govt" ...I'll suck your fuckin dick!:blowme: and I'm not gay;:shocked: so, that would be a huge sacrifice I'm making!;):shrug:





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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10217295 - 04/22/09 11:26 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

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And I know for a FACT that I am one of those million...

(just from the whistle blowing I've done over the past 2 years)




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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10217328 - 04/22/09 11:30 PM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

And I know for a FACT that I am one of those million...

(just from the whistle blowing I've done over the past 2 years)





How do you know that the government thinks your a terrorist?  What whistle blowing did you do?  Is whistle blowing a common terrorist behavior?

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10219513 - 04/23/09 11:18 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Yeah fellowgrower, you're so important. The government has resources to pay attention to a bunch of likely terrorists like yourself. You're one of a kind I tell ya.


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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
    #10219521 - 04/23/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

my friend lake is in iraq right now and sent him an e-mail to ask if he is being trained to police us and if he would shoot me if he was ordered to all that yea blah blah.
ill get back to yall on what he says. Peace

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
    #10219534 - 04/23/09 11:22 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I been doin a lot of fuel escorts, and the kurds and turks hate each other, so we have to break up their little gang wars, but other than that, pretty boring. and no, I'd shoot my supervisor, then run fast. fuck this country, and fuck haaji freedom!
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Date: Apr 23, 2009 6:36 PM
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how ya doing man? any cool stuff happen? staying away from trouble i hope!
do you feel like your being trained to police people like in a Marshall law? fuck the new world order! would you shoot me if i wouldnt give my guns up and you were ordered to?
Please stay safe dude! miss ya.

your mutha fuckin homie ><cubie><

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Cubie]
    #10222362 - 04/23/09 08:10 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Damn, SO nobody took me up on that blowjob offer eh? :shrug:

Hey, Have you all read my story? Of when I got busted? Well then check that shit out! (by clicking) THIS!


Make sure you read my post just below it as well!

I'm taking my narcoleptic ass to bed...I'll TTYL.

-Fellowgrower

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: FellowGrower]
    #10222890 - 04/23/09 09:34 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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FellowGrower said:
Damn, SO nobody took me up on that blowjob offer eh? :shrug:

Hey, Have you all read my story? Of when I got busted? Well then check that shit out! (by clicking) THIS!


Make sure you read my post just below it as well!

I'm taking my narcoleptic ass to bed...I'll TTYL.

-Fellowgrower





Yeah, I have read it, and I don't believe a word of it. That story is the strongest evidence I've seen for you being a troll. I would have called you out on it by now, because your behavior is so unbelievable, but you've made so many posts that you would have to be the most dedicated troll ever.

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
    #10223024 - 04/23/09 09:55 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

:stopflaming: (please) ...I'd appreciate it.

You're gonna fuck around and get me kicked off here; then, me and you gonna be fightin FOR REAL! :shakefist:  :box:  :fork:  :matrixfight:  :whack:


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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: LightShedder]
    #10226077 - 04/24/09 01:04 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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We are all aware of the patriot act/s. The dispute is whether or not it is relevant to the average american citizen. I, for one, am of the belief that the patriot act was instated for exactly the reason they say it was. And that was to gather intelligence for our nation's safety in ways that would have been considered illegal before. That doesn't mean that now there are millions or even thousands of citizens getting paid CONFIDENTIAL wages to listen in on everyone elses phone calls. 

You could sit there and dwell on the negativity going on in the world right now( and don't worry, I won't argue with you on the fact that this place is getting extremely fucked) and you can let it bother you. Or you can ignore it and try to avoid the shit at all costs and I can tell you from experience that if you want it to be irrelevant to your life and happiness, then it is very easy to do so. You can live your whole life never knowing about any corruption or any kind of bullshit. Just try. You'll probably feel better. Not to say that you don't already feel fine thinking that the government is about to imprison everyone and rape their family members.





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The dispute is whether or not it is relevant to the average american citizen



YES it is relevan to the average citizen. What ... you don't think that you are included in the Patriot Act II? YES you are ... we all are. It doesn't matter whether you are doing anything wrong or not ... we are all suspected therefore fall under the power of that Act.


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I, for one, am of the belief that the patriot act was instated for exactly the reason they say it was




It doesn't matter what the purpose of the Act was for. The end result is that WE THE PEOPLE loose all rights. Being apathetic doesn't make you immune or give you any rights.


This is precisely the mindset, by dictionary definition, is referred to as 'apathetic'. Just don't let it bother you, it doesn't pertain to me, that can never happen, etc... Well if it won’t happen then WHY shred the Constitution?? ? Does shredding the Constitution bother you? If it doesn’t then FORGET IT.  Apathy is your solution and you do not deserve the rights that you have lost. What the hell … you don’t care anyway.

Oh ... I hear ya and I understand EXACTLY what you mean. Don't take offence at the above word either (apathetic). That is just what the word means.

So ... like I was saying previously ... should we just throw the Constitution out the window for all of us because few think that it wouldn't/couldn't happen? Should we toss out all our rights and leave us at the mercy of our government just because SOME people actually believe what our government says? HELL NO!!! That's why the Constitution and Bill of Rights says what it says. When a government shreds the Constitution … Americans should stand up and yell HELL NO, not just be apathetic.

Should we grant cops the right to pull you over and search for no reason … and just assume that they won’t actually do it? Hell NO. It’s the same scenario.

Should we have allowed our government the right to snatch up anyone they want, be held without disclosure, without the right to a fair trial, allow to be tortured, and transported out of the country without disclosure? HELL NO, but that’s just the way it is now.

That’s the whole point to this. Just sit back, don’t be aware, etc… just don’t say people are crazy when all American citizens lose liberties, lose their rights by the destruction of our Constitution by our own government, and are unjustifiably called suspected terrorists.  You guys … we can’t afford to be so naive.

Once rights have been removed ... do you know of one instance where they have EVER been given back? You let them get their foot in the door, what do you think will happen next?

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
    #10226605 - 04/24/09 02:43 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

What was unconstitutional about the patriot act?


In all your rhetoric you've never even told us what you are going on about.



Given the comments you've made before about things that were incorrect, its likely your confused what the problem actually is.



And I'm tiring of your presumptions.  Who said they were apathetic?  People disagree with you, sometimes when you are factually wrong, and you say they are apathetic cuz their not raging against things they don't understand like you.



Maybe if you were a bit more civil you'd get folks on your side more- that and if you'd stop the stream of generalities and make statements that are particular enough to be made sense of.

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
    #10227059 - 04/24/09 03:51 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

smells like a conspiracy

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: milkman]
    #10227160 - 04/24/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

moonbases, brah

they plan em from the moonbases

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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
    #10227948 - 04/24/09 06:36 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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YES it is relevan to the average citizen. What ... you don't think that you are included in the Patriot Act II? YES you are ... we all are. It doesn't matter whether you are doing anything wrong or not ... we are all suspected therefore fall under the power of that Act.





Do you know of anyone that has been affected by the patriot act? 

I haven't heard anyone complaining about it, so this seems more like a theoretical issue.

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It doesn't matter what the purpose of the Act was for. The end result is that WE THE PEOPLE loose all rights.




Its not even remotely accurate to say that the patriot act causes us to lose all rights.  You don't really seem to be aware of what the patriot act actually changed and what the effects of those changes were.

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This is precisely the mindset, by dictionary definition, is referred to as 'apathetic'. Just don't let it bother you, it doesn't pertain to me, that can never happen, etc...




Just because I don't want to spend my resources fighting a law that will probably never affect me or anyone I know doesn't mean I am apathetic.  Its just that I know a time sink that will never benefit anyone when I see it.

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Should we toss out all our rights and leave us at the mercy of our government just because SOME people actually believe what our government says? HELL NO!!!




The patriot act doesn't toss out all rights.  Doesn't sound like you have read it.

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When a government shreds the Constitution … Americans should stand up and yell HELL NO, not just be apathetic.




Not only is the constitution still there, its still in full effect.

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Should we grant cops the right to pull you over and search for no reason … and just assume that they won’t actually do it? Hell NO.




The patriot act doesn't say that.

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Should we have allowed our government the right to snatch up anyone they want, be held without disclosure, without the right to a fair trial, allow to be tortured, and transported out of the country without disclosure? HELL NO, but that’s just the way it is now.




Can you please kindly point out which provision of the patriot act gives the government the right to snatch up anyone they want, hold them without disclosure, without the right to a fair trial, allow to be tortured, and transported out of the country without disclosure?


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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #10228191 - 04/24/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 28 days ago)

Alan Rockafeller; Here, I'll POST IT ONE MORE TIME!

Click; Read; and also read my post just below it... It happened to ME! SWEAR TO FUCKIN GOD that is a TRUE STORY!... when I yelled "You can't do this to me! I'm a G'DAM AMERICAN!" They(the cops) just BUSTED out LAUGHING! as if that was the funniest thing they had heard all day! It was the "Joke of the day" downtown at the station.

It's REAL! they don't give a fuck...

But even to confirm this further; I talked to my probation officer about it; and I was asking him WTF? and he's like "Yeah..." and knodded his head like; "That's right; you don't have any rights" cops do whatever the fuck they want! think about it!  who's gonna stop em?


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