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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10188868 - 04/18/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here you go man. You say "it's unconstitutional and couldn't happen". Well tell that to the troops that have been deployed for active duty in AMERICA! They just had to get rid of Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus to make it "legal".
Edited by NineInchNails (04/18/09 09:52 AM)
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10189358 - 04/18/09 11:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
it does not contain the express right to privacy, but you get it indirectly through many other amendments...the right against unreasonable searches and seizures of person and property, is there to maintain your privacy, for one example...
I do however apologize for the broad overstatement...
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10189574 - 04/18/09 12:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that we DIDN'T have the right to privacy?
I say "didn't" because we DON'T anymore. The Patriot Act along with other pillaging of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by our Federal government has done away with that.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10189623 - 04/18/09 12:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
Thats where the precedent for the legality of birth control and abortion comes from doesnt it?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10189679 - 04/18/09 12:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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NineInchNails said: Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
Did you just say...
ALL constitutional rights?
You know that there are a lot of them?
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
#10189897 - 04/18/09 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lancaster said:
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NineInchNails said: Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
Did you just say...
ALL constitutional rights?
You know that there are a lot of them?

Do you have the faintest clue what Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus is? Look it up for crying out loud. Did you even bother to watch these short videos?
Here they are ... listed again ... just click on it and learn something. Do you have something against educating yourself? 
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10193187 - 04/19/09 12:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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and infringes on our right to privacy granted by the constitution
Where in the constitution does it say we have a right to privacy?
I must have missed that part.
Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that we DIDN'T have the right to privacy?
I say "didn't" because we DON'T anymore. The Patriot Act along with other pillaging of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by our Federal government has done away with that.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: 2859558484]
#10193379 - 04/19/09 01:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude u.s. troops are people just like my friends they are not something special they are ordinary people well kinda lol the friends i know who joined the military would shoot anything they could give a fuck less about who it is...
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10193431 - 04/19/09 02:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lancaster said:
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NineInchNails said: Search and seizure includes wire taps or any recordings not to your knowledge.
The Patriot Act dismisses all Constitutional rights.
Did you just say...
ALL constitutional rights?
You know that there are a lot of them?

Do you have the faintest clue what Posse Comitatus and Habeus Corpus is? Look it up for crying out loud. Did you even bother to watch these short videos?
Here they are ... listed again ... just click on it and learn something. Do you have something against educating yourself? 
Did you even read what I wrote? Here's a pro-tip: words written in all caps imply emphasis. Read what you wrote, for goodness' sake. You seriously wrote that all, that is ALL rights are dismissed by the patriot act. That makes no fucking sense. And you respond by telling me I don't know enough about TWO specific rights granted in the constitution. You're going to need to explain how every single right and privilege granted in the entire constitution is eliminated by the patriot act. Here's a time saving tip: don't bother, because that is complete bullshit.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
#10193562 - 04/19/09 02:43 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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agreed, the patriot act nonsense is really out of hand.
Yes it was unconstitutional and full of terrible crap, but no it doesn't ameliorate your constitutional rights as defined by the courts and no it wasn't much of a departure from existing law- it codified a lot of powers that always existed.
Yes it leads to expanding the bullshit and legitimate exceptions because it didn't limit itself to the applications in which they apply, but to say the patriot act is particularly relevant to more than a handful of american citizens would be a lie.
To say it removed all constitutional rights is silly.
Protip: avoid cockfighting if you want to steer clear of patriot act raids.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: johnm214]
#10194060 - 04/19/09 08:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now if you bothered to check out those videos you will find that the narrator checked off all of the Bill Of Rights that are effected by eliminating Habeus Corpus alone.
The patriot act names the citizens of the US unlawful combatants. We CAN be treated like enemies of war. No right to a speedy trial, held without being shown the evidence against us, no warrant required, etc... You can be held for an 'undetermined' length of time, tortured (legaly of course), just to name a few.
You guys are so apathetic it’s ridiculous. You say … dude I have friends in the military and they are cool. They are just ordinary guys. Are you insane? Everyone has a friend in the military. Somebody knows someone that was ordered to do shit. Ya think someone knew the troops that were disarming citizens in New Orleans? Ya think the guys who are water borting doesn't have a mother, brother, friends, a wife, or a family?
Sure let’s just drop some constitutional rights and allow cops to pull us over for no reason too because my sister happens to be a cop … OH and don’t worry cops are cool and they would NEVER pull you over for no reason even though they could legally. Let’s just make it legal for cops to search without warrants just because my friends happen to be state troopers … OH and don’t worry cops are cool and they would NEVER search you for no reason even though they could legally. You’ve got to be kidding me. I suppose Habeus Corpus doesn’t mean a damn thing because ‘our government can be trusted' … OH and don’t worry ‘your government loves you’ and they would NEVER do anything like that even though they could under the revised constitution. Let’s just ‘assume’ that the Patriot Act is our friend because ‘the name sounds nice' and apathy is convenient.
Does that make any sense? No it doesn't, but you do have the choice to be laid back, overly trusting, and apathetic. People like that will still be doubting what's going on around them even while they are living in a ditch. It's very sad.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10194662 - 04/19/09 11:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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NineInchNails said: Does that make any sense? No it doesn't, but you do have the choice to be laid back, overly trusting, and apathetic.
Of course that doesn't make any sense; you've built up a straw man argument. No one is saying that the government is perfect, or that we should always trust cops; we're just refusing to believe this conspiracy theory BS. There is no evidence for it, and it is all about blowing tiny things way out of proportion. Come out of your bunker, put your Year Zero on mute for a second, and think about how many of your beliefs are backed by rational thought.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Lancaster]
#10194909 - 04/19/09 12:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Idk why people get so outraged when they hear things like this. All threw history government's have been lying to citizens to control them. Sending them to war for rulers own greed and power.
I love my country, AMERICA RULES however I do not like how our "choosen" leaders are doing what they are doing. On cameras different political party's act like they hate each other but the truth is they are all working towards the same agenda's.
This country has had to go threw its struggles in the past for independence. What makes you think our generation won't have to do the same to keep this a free country with a constitution and form of government that has worked for ages. Now they want to change that ?
Don't blame terrorism as there are records through out history where government's actually run false flag operations where they are behind them or allow a terrorist attack in there country. So they can use it to strike fear into the citizens to gain there cooperation with process of turning there government into a dictatorship. Which is what 9/11 gave them the chance to do.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10195253 - 04/19/09 01:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with what you're saying for the most part. The "terrorist threat" was puffed up enormously by the Bush administration and Obama isn't doing much better. The Iraq war was BS, it was totally unjustified. 9/11 gave the neoconservatives a massive hard-on because they knew they'd be able to get away with a ton of stuff that would never fly otherwise.
Does this mean that the military is training to kill American citizens, or the government preparing to impose martial law? THAT is a stretch and there is no evidence to support it.
I'm all for being untrusting of the government and thinking for yourself, but I'm not about to hide out in my basement with an AR-15 waiting for the day the army will break down my door. Even if everything you say is true, there isn't a thing you could do about it. No one will believe you and you wouldn't last a second against an army that shoots to kill.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: DontPlay]
#10195360 - 04/19/09 01:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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We are all going to die.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Mokotoko]
#10195495 - 04/19/09 01:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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REPTILIAN ILLUMINATI OVERLORDS CONTROLLING THE MOON AND FEDERAL RESERVE. GOLD STANDARD YALL!!!
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: NineInchNails]
#10195679 - 04/19/09 02:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that we DIDN'T have the right to privacy?
Yes. The fourth amendment is as close as it comes, and thats not very close in my opinion. There is no part of the constitution that says the government won't spy on you or otherwise violate your privacy. I am not aware of any laws that give you a right to privacy.
If such a law exists I would like to know about it, as I value my privacy and consider myself a privacy advocate.
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The Patriot Act along with other pillaging of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by our Federal government has done away with that.
Everyone complains about the patriot act, with good reason, but I have yet to see any negative effects stem from its passage. The stuff that really annoys me (warrentless wiretapping, the war on drugs, secret prisons, guantanamo, war, etc) is not in the patriot act.
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Thats where the precedent for the legality of birth control and abortion comes from doesnt it?
I just read the 14th amendment and I didn't see where it gave us a right to privacy, but apparently some courts have interpreted it that way so maybe its hiding in there.
Also, with regards to the original topic of this thread - US troops asked if they would shoot US citizens. I don't really think its that surprising that they would be asked that. If there was some sort of militia / violent revolution I would expect that the army would try to protect the government that is in place. Thats what armies do. Sometimes doing that job requires that you kill the people who are fighting you, even if they happen to be US citizens. I don't like it but I would be surprised if it was any other way. Would you prefer that the army just sits there if they get attacked by some crazy militia from california?
Unless you plan to fight the US army with guns I don't see how this is relevant. I expect the army to train for everything, including unpleasant things like shooting US citizens.
I personally hate the army (all branches of the armed forces actually) and I wish they would go away, but thats not realistic. Sometimes when I get frustrated I call my senator and ask them to cut the military budget in half, or if I am really annoyed I ask for them to cut all of it. Doesn't seem to have any effect but it makes me feel better and its good for a laugh.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10196390 - 04/19/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sometimes when I get frustrated I call my senator and ask them to cut the military budget in half, or if I am really annoyed I ask for them to cut all of it. Doesn't seem to have any effect but it makes me feel better and its good for a laugh.
I'm glad you get a sense of enjoyment from wanting to strip money from the defense budget. I mean, I personally enjoyed spending about 2 grand to buy my own shit for Iraq.
This thread has yet to deliver the ANSWERS of the service men and women who were asked if they could enforce martial law.
I think the answer would be a resounding "go fuck yourself."
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Crasher]
#10196819 - 04/19/09 05:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm glad you get a sense of enjoyment from wanting to strip money from the defense budget.
Defense budget money is going directly down the toilet, I'll always work to lessen that budget.
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I mean, I personally enjoyed spending about 2 grand to buy my own shit for Iraq.
Going to Iraq was a bad use of your time and resources.
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This thread has yet to deliver the ANSWERS of the service men and women who were asked if they could enforce martial law.
I think the answer would be a resounding "go fuck yourself."
I agree 100%.
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Re: U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#10197038 - 04/19/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lancaster there is plenty of proof that says otherwise about the impending martial law.
Bush threatened congress with martial law if they didn't pass his first bailout bill(5 trillion) for starters.
Detainment camps all over the US ran by FEMA ( they are prison camps, 800 of them) heres one link http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2008/210208Camps.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO504B.html
http://www.populistamerica.com/open_martial_law_coming_to_america
There are hundreds of links from the last several years, its been coming weve been warned numerous times but people are to lazy to pay attention.
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