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How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic
    #10179524 - 04/16/09 05:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

OK shroomery,
Me and some friends of mine always use to talk about how if we were to have a bad trip we would just take a 2mg Xanax to come down,and I have also read in a few forums where people say that benzodiazepines are the best for bring you down.Well about 4 months ago a friend of mine finally had to put it to the test and he popped a bar to try and stop his trip from getting any worse.Guess what,it did not help he said that it just kind of physically calmed him down but did not help the mental mind fuck at all.About 4 weeks ago I myself had to put it to the test and also concluded that it did not really help much.The last time I tripped(last Fri)I wigged the fuck out because I have anxiety attacks and had one that lasted damn near 3hrs.I had no trouble excepting the ego death or the supper mental trip but my body would not relax like my mind so I believe that if I had about 3mg xanax that would have helped me out during this particular trip.The whole time I was wigging I was thinking about what they give people at the hospital to bring them down.I was told that they use drugs like Thorazine and how-dole witch are antipsycodics.So I would like to hear from some of you guys that are quite knowledgeable in the pharmaceutical area what is more likely to STOP a bad trip.After my bad trip last weekend I obtained some Seroquile and Valium I do not want to take something that might possible hurt me mentally/physically.So some input would be appreciated and also feel free to share some stories related to the topic.
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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179574 - 04/16/09 06:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Best way to stop a bad trip is to go with it and accept what's going on.

Everything else is just delusional trickery that may or may not make your mind-set take a more relaxing turn.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179581 - 04/16/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

How do you calm someone down? Benzos. How do you STOP a trip? Anti-psychotics. Pretty simple. Benzos are just going to relieve anxiety and calm you down. Anti-psychotics (most of them, anyway) are going to antagonize 5-HT and, frequently, dopamine receptors. Big difference.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10179595 - 04/16/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I can tell you right now that just taking xanax is not enough.

I had 2.5 grams lemon tekked and ate 2 more grams and started freaking out so I had some xanax, and the trip was still full length and intensity.

I eventually chilled out though.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10179629 - 04/16/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

that's what I thought,but so many people scream "Xanax"man I think it would honestly take like 5-7mg to "stop" a bad trip.Now I know from my experience that xanax will slow down the visuals,but does not do much for the mental trip.And I never said they were anything alike,LOL look at the chemacal structure.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179655 - 04/16/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I have probably only had 4 bad trips out of 100+,but like I said the last one was due to physically problems that where beyond my control.I would like to know how I could medicate the anxiety without effecting the trip(like I said IMO xanax effects the visuals).

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179671 - 04/16/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

^Impossible.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10179709 - 04/16/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yea thats what I thought,sucks to hear it from someone else(that knows what they are talking about).

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179817 - 04/16/09 06:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I've never taken Xanax, but when I was having a panic attack on mushrooms once, I took some temazepam (Restoril) and it sorted me right out.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10179839 - 04/16/09 06:52 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

did it effect the visuals at all?I am worried that my anxiety problems will put a stop to my tripping days and I am not ready to except that yet so I am willing to try anything that will not harm my mind or body.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179845 - 04/16/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know...I was more concerned with the relief I was feeling at not having a panic attack anymore. Get some 2C-B or something if anxiety is that big of a deal.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10179860 - 04/16/09 06:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

When it comes to rc's I know I have done DOx and AMT and both of them IMO did not have much mental trip at all,is 2c-b like that for you?

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179864 - 04/16/09 06:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, 2C-B is pretty light on the mind.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179866 - 04/16/09 06:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Start taking 2C's instead

Aren't there a decent amount of 2C's that are very visual with almost no mental effects? A lot of people tell me that..


edit: yeah what lsdreamer said


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179876 - 04/16/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yea a full blown paic attack sucks so bad while tripping,I can handle the anxiety attacks(I dont like to but I can)but I have had one full blown panic attack while tripping and I though I was about to die.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179889 - 04/16/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Dont get me wrong mentally I can handle it just not physically and I love the mental part of a trip.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10179901 - 04/16/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Erm...what? That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. Anxiety is a mental thing.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10179907 - 04/16/09 07:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah you're kind of contradicting yourself here


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDXM]
    #10180253 - 04/16/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

what I mean by that is OK I will lay it out for you guys
Last time I was tripping I was about 3hrs in and I noticed and said to myself "man I am tripping hard, cool"right after I thought that I noticed hey why is my leg bouncing up and down so much,Then I begin to notice all the muscles in my body tensing up and then I realize that I am about to have an anxiety attack,then I ask myself "why?"I cannot control it I begin to have trouble breathing and I cannot relax at all.I tense up get the urge to stretch every muscle in my body out(it sucks to get the urge to straighten your legs when you are tense as fuck)and I do everything I can to convince myself that everything is cool and I need to just relax,and mentally I convince myself and 10 seconds later right back into the attack :frown:

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDXM]
    #10180270 - 04/16/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

what I mean by that is OK I will lay it out for you guys
Last time I was tripping I was about 3hrs in and I noticed and said to myself "man I am tripping hard, cool"right after I thought that I noticed hey why is my leg bouncing up and down so much,Then I begin to notice all the muscles in my body tensing up and then I realize that I am about to have an anxiety attack,then I ask myself "why?"I cannot control it I begin to have trouble breathing and I cannot relax at all.I tense up get the urge to stretch every muscle in my body out(it sucks to get the urge to straighten your legs when you are tense as fuck)and I do everything I can to convince myself that everything is cool and I need to just relax,and mentally I convince myself and 10 seconds later right back into the attack :frown:

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180281 - 04/16/09 08:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, that's definitely mental :lol:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180354 - 04/16/09 08:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LOL ok say what you want but it is out of my control.Nothing sets it off.Its not like I have something bad,or scary happen.And I try to calm myself down and I can,for about 10 seconds.Its like when I was tripping last Fri I did ever thing I know to do to prevent the attack.I turned off the tv did some breathing exercises and it seemed like when ever I would talk myself back down and get back into(fun) trip mode the shit comes back.Let me also mention that I have problems with anxiety attacks sober some times.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180367 - 04/16/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

:facepalm: You say nothing sets it off, but you clearly name a trigger. Worrying about muscle tension.  Not being able to control it is kind of a staple of anxiety attacks, as I'm sure you know.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180374 - 04/16/09 08:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

any advice would be gladly appreciated.I will be honest with you guys to me it seems like a chemical imbalance but I dont know much about that :frown:

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180416 - 04/16/09 08:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

??? did I say I was worried about it,if so I do not recall,I meant that(and I think I said)that I notice the muscle tension and wonder why not worry about it.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180452 - 04/16/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The issue is that many, many psychedelic drugs send massive amounts of energy coursing through your system. This makes your leg jitter, and your muscles twitch, etc.
Unfortunately for you, you relate this to an "anxiety attack".
Thing is, whether anxiety attacks are a real syndrome or not is up for debate, but what's happening to you is more properly described as a run-away thought loop. You're taking the effects of a drug and turning it into a problem in your mind instead of just accepting it.
If you were on speed you'd have the same problem but you probably wouldn't let it freak you out because you're on speed and you know you're supposed to have energy.
So next time, just understand that that's what happens when you take acid. You get spastic.





What exactly do you think a "chemical imbalance" is anyways, and what about your situation resembles that model?
Compare what the theory of a chemical imbalance actually is, compare it to the fact that you're on LSD, and then add to that the fact that chemical imbalances aren't proven to be real.

That's why in anti-depressant commercials they say "Scientists think this happens because of a chemical imbalance in your brain" along with their cute animation of Happy Feelings being bounced off of your synapses

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180475 - 04/16/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Here is another way to put it.After I talked myself time down(for the 5th time)I was walking down the hallway of my house with NOTHING on my mind and in comes another wave of attacks.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180512 - 04/16/09 08:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thought patterns tend to work cyclically on trips.
You were tripping. There's no way you had "nothing on your mind".

You're thinking yourself into it dude.
You can't think yourself out of it.
Just accept that it's nothing.


There's literally no reason you should be freaking out. If you were sober you wouldn't be, right? There's nothing in LSD that's just gonna up and make you have a panic attack out of nowhere for no reason at all. That's insane.
You're just taking queues from your physical body's reaction to a drug as "something wrong" and letting it spin out of control with out dissecting it logically.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDXM]
    #10180528 - 04/16/09 08:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

my friend I wish it was that easy for me I have been tripping for 10 years and have been way,way more fucked up and had no problems.Last Friday I was in complete control of ever thing besides the anxiety.And on the speed issue.LOL I freak out way more on speed,I cannot do meth it turns me into a temp paranoid schizophrenic(j/k kid of).
And by the way I would also like to say thanks to you and dreamer for show some interest and giving some advice.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180575 - 04/16/09 08:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

just go with it and hope for the best

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDXM]
    #10180584 - 04/16/09 08:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

OK, after I calmed down(one of the many times)I realized that I had experienced ego death and all that was on my mind was re building myself and I even was thinking about watching waking life(dont know if you have seen it or not but it is very chill)and while I am thinking about that a fucking panic attack starts.I remember standing in the bathroom looking at myself and telling myself that "This is what I wanted.this is what I asked for"you know excepting what was going on but it would not work for long.Sorry for going off on this shit but it really bothers me.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180594 - 04/16/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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    #10180599 - 04/16/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thats how I look at it ever time.I even meditated for 30min befor my last trip and still wigged.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180603 - 04/16/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry, but every time you say "except" instead of "accept", it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Grammar Nazi is in the house.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: mockingbird]
    #10180641 - 04/16/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LOLOL I think I will pass.Hell I dont know why I should pass it took 60mg of oxy to calm my body down last Fri and after that I was having a blast.But I am trying to leave pharmys alone unless absolutely necessary.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180661 - 04/16/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Just to clarify when I say speed I mean amphetamines not METHamphetamines. I pretty much never mention meth because I wouldn't fuck with it

Anyways that's weird man, I mean I dunno what to tell you; I still think it's all in your head but I don't know what kind of advice to give you to help you think your way out of it

sorry :frown:

I can say that, although I don't know much about the subject and probably largely BECAUSE I don't, I wouldn't just go taking anti-psychotics because my trip is going awry.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180674 - 04/16/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LOL sorry man I'm not that picky with my grammar and not worried at all about other peoples :wink: I worry more about myself.
Man I dont think I would ever reffer to myself as any kind of Nazi that's pretty pathetic

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180680 - 04/16/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, come on. Grammar Nazi is a common term.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDXM]
    #10180703 - 04/16/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I have always refused to take anti psychotics but Im at a point were I need something to stop the random attacks while tripping because I am not ready to stop.I think I just need to keep some xanax on hand because the past 2 times I wigged out(remember it has only happened 4out of 100+)it was because of panic/anxiety attacks.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180715 - 04/16/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Meh. Nothing inherently wrong with anti-psychotics, really. They do their job, more or less.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180718 - 04/16/09 08:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LOL I know man you road my ass so naturally I had to fight back and thats all I had.Sorry more my lack of proper English.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180722 - 04/16/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

:shrug: I just have a natural command of the language, so poor grammar, spelling, and improper use of homonyms just glare at me off the page. I can't not notice them :lol:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180751 - 04/16/09 08:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Meh. Nothing inherently wrong with anti-psychotics, really. They do their job, more or less.



you seem to know your shit pretty well.So if I felt I had to take an anti psychotic because I was wigging out will it effect my brain in a bad way?Like I said be for I dont know to much about chemical brain activity but I would think that introducing a anti with a psychedelic would cause some serious conflict in the brain,I dont know if that is the truth or not if you have any knowledge on that subject please let me know because that is what is really holding me back from taking some if needed.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180776 - 04/16/09 08:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I took a klonopin when I was having a horrible mushrooms trip.

It was like hitting a brickwall. The two strong chemicals were fighting each other, it had a huge body load. My heart was racing, I was trying to lay down and pass out. Eventually it pulled me out of the trip though the visuals were still prevelant and I still felt mentally fucked up from my intense trip.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180781 - 04/16/09 08:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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:shrug: I just have a natural command of the language, so poor grammar, spelling, and improper use of homonyms just glare at me off the page. I can't not notice them :lol:



Go pop a xanax and calm your stressed out ass down man,it seems like the only person it bothers is you :smile:

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180786 - 04/16/09 08:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The anti-psychotic will, in most cases, boot the psychedelic off your serotonin receptors and pretty much slap you in the face with reality. Wouldn't be pleasant. Not at all. But it'd be better than someone being violent or self-destructive. Anti-psychotics are the psychedelic emergency abort switch. I wouldn't recommend using them for something as mundane as anxiety attacks, however unpleasant they are. Anti-psychotics aren't going to cause you any serious harm (probably). Of course, there's the risk of life-threatening side-effects, but not any more so than with other drugs, both recreational and not. First time you eat a peanut, you might doe.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180807 - 04/16/09 08:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Doe? LOL j/k

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180817 - 04/16/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Like I said I have some 100mg seroquile how much should I take if absolutely necessary?

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180826 - 04/16/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

About 25mg, I think. Definitely don't take 100. I probably shouldn't be saying this, though.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10180834 - 04/16/09 09:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think My best bet is to take a 1mg xanax the morning befor I trip and maybe even 1mg around 2pm and does at 9:00pm and see how that goes because like I said the heavy mental mind fuck is not what bothers me its the anxiety.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10180846 - 04/16/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the advice man.Hopefully I will never have to stoop to that level but if so,now I know what to take.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10181259 - 04/16/09 10:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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what I mean by that is OK I will lay it out for you guys
Last time I was tripping I was about 3hrs in and I noticed and said to myself "man I am tripping hard, cool"right after I thought that I noticed hey why is my leg bouncing up and down so much,Then I begin to notice all the muscles in my body tensing up and then I realize that I am about to have an anxiety attack,then I ask myself "why?"I cannot control it I begin to have trouble breathing and I cannot relax at all.I tense up get the urge to stretch every muscle in my body out(it sucks to get the urge to straighten your legs when you are tense as fuck)and I do everything I can to convince myself that everything is cool and I need to just relax,and mentally I convince myself and 10 seconds later right back into the attack :frown:



Since that worries you, it IS all mental.

I shake my leg up and down all the time. Heck, I'm doing it right now.

It's not a big deal, but you made it one which is why its the mental factor.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Angel_Above]
    #10181316 - 04/16/09 10:19 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

like I said befor it is not that it worries me it just comes to my attention and I'm the same way my leg is bouncing right now also.It is hard to explain thanks for the input

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10181738 - 04/16/09 11:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Meh. Nothing inherently wrong with anti-psychotics, really. They do their job, more or less.




Many anti psychotics cause impotence and other problems. I wouldn't take them unless you really have to. They are pretty harsh drugs. But i guess if its either that or a panic attack it could be worth it.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DimensionX]
    #10181769 - 04/16/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Anti-psychotics can cause lasting impotence? :wtf:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10181822 - 04/16/09 11:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Long enough to be very bothersome. Although taking it once to abort an acid trip probably won't cause it. Check out the known side effects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotic#Side_effects

They are not pleasant drugs. Hopefully science keeps improving them, espeacilly for the people who have to take them all the time

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10181883 - 04/16/09 11:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well if you want to be a guinea pig, read my post i just made in this forum about maxalt/relpax other triptan migraine meds. I am hypothesizing that they will end a trip immediately, since they don't allow the psilocybin/psilocin to access their receptors in your brain... I want to find out if this works when one is already tripping... so if you can get any of those meds, try it out. I've tripped on them before, but i've always had the triptan in my system BEFORE the shrooms... and all that happened was that the shrooms had NO effect. I'm wondering if it works the other way around, say, to abort a bad trip.....


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Patisotagami]
    #10181897 - 04/16/09 11:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Depends on which has a higher receptor affinity. Psilocin/LSD or the meds.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10181934 - 04/16/09 11:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well, if the psilocin had a higher affinity, wouldn't I be able to trip if I ate shrooms 3 days AFTER taking the maxalt? or while on it?


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10182040 - 04/17/09 12:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

the physical effects are probably a manifestation of emotional problems or problems letting go you have, i mean no offense, but you should not terminate a trip because it is not going well :heart:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10182109 - 04/17/09 12:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It's best to let a 'bad' trip run it's course. Deep breathing, relaxation and good music helps.

If someone becomes violent it's best to bring them down with 300mg of B3 aka Niacinamide aka Nicotinamide aka Nicotinic Acid Amide.
That's 5-10 times the RDA. B3 is best taken as part of a B complex.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Middleman]
    #10182965 - 04/17/09 05:02 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It is possible to relax a violent person with words though, Stan Grof only ever had to give 2 people valium. He was very against the idea as it can cause mild to heavy PTSD etc.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LedHead]
    #10183027 - 04/17/09 05:48 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I completely agree.RIDE IT OUT.But when it is no longer mental and you start to have physically signs of a panic attack then I say do what you have to do to relax.The only reason I am asking these questions is like I said befor I feel as if my tripping days are coming to a end due to my anxiety disorder and I am looking for anyway to prevent that.And if I cannot prevent it then I guess I have to except the harsh reality that I can no longer trip :frown:

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10183054 - 04/17/09 06:00 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Buy Stanislav Grof "LSD Psychotherapy" that ought to renew your interest in a different way. I have had physical signs but it is all from mental material, it's up to you to deal with it on the trip. This will make your trip sometime amazing sometimes crap but always you will come out with massive benefits to your general wellbeing.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10183110 - 04/17/09 06:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I hate to say it, but if you have at least 2 or 3 bad trips in a row its time to quit psychedelics for a while. Thats not a good sign


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Almond Flour]
    #10183149 - 04/17/09 06:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

IMO bad trips mean that you are surfacing more of your unconscious fears, this is good because it means you can deal with them rather than having them unconsciously affect your entire life. It is neccessary not to ignore them.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Grapefruit]
    #10183176 - 04/17/09 07:06 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I think all trips involve terror as well as ecstasy. My worst experiences have always involved problems with setting rather than set.

Can't go wrong with Grof, make sure to check out Dr. Stan Grof - "The Holotropic Mind: The Three Levels of Human Consciousness and How They Shape Our Lives" if you haven't.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Middleman]
    #10183260 - 04/17/09 07:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks guys I will check those out.And Grapefruit one of the reason I trip is to face my problems and try to better myself and I have never had a problem with that up until the past 2 years(like I said 2 out of my 4 bad trips was due to panic attacks)my anxiety level has grown so much it is hard.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Almond Flour]
    #10183263 - 04/17/09 07:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

my last bad trip(besides last fri)was 2 years ago but if it happens again I think you are right.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10183271 - 04/17/09 07:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I have been thinking about it and naturally I am a anxious,and hyper active person.I said be for that the attacks started after I said to myself "WOW I'm tripping hard,COOL!"I am wondering if my excitement about tripping balls causes me to get anxious and maybe that sets it off,I dont know.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10183483 - 04/17/09 09:08 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Check the books out it will give you a whole new understanding of tripping. There often strange reasons for why you are having a bad trip but usually these are distractions from the real problems of your unconconscious it is up to you to try and look for the real reasons behind it. Silence and darkness on your own is probably the best way to do this. I recommend reading one of the two books before your next trip, I haven't read middlemans suggestion yet but I surely will, I'm sure they are both good. LSD psychotherapy changed my trips a lot.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Grapefruit]
    #10183501 - 04/17/09 09:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks,I am willing to try anything.This shit is really bothering me,you guys can flame me all day for what I am about to say but the only way I feel right now is like some Christan that has been stripped of there bible and right to worship what they believe in(for the record I am NOT a religious person).Thanks for all the positive input to Grape and Middleman.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10183650 - 04/17/09 09:53 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I know the feeling, hang in there. :wink:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10183714 - 04/17/09 10:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I have been thinking about it and naturally I am a anxious,and hyper active person.I said be for that the attacks started after I said to myself "WOW I'm tripping hard,COOL!"I am wondering if my excitement about tripping balls causes me to get anxious and maybe that sets it off,I dont know.




its guaranteed mental dude, you dont need to terminate your trips.  That really is the cowards way out, you should not be tripping if you have to sit there and abort trips, i am sorry but you do not deserve these wonderful drugs if you treat them like a common whore like that.  This is a manifestation of ego issues and other mental issues which you are not dealing with on a trip. Plus if you abort trips you are leaving the trip when you havent worked this stuff out and it could lead to problems while sober :heart:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LedHead]
    #10183727 - 04/17/09 10:13 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I have been thinking about it and naturally I am a anxious,and hyper active person.I said be for that the attacks started after I said to myself "WOW I'm tripping hard,COOL!"I am wondering if my excitement about tripping balls causes me to get anxious and maybe that sets it off,I dont know.




its guaranteed mental dude, you dont need to terminate your trips.  That really is the cowards way out, you should not be tripping if you have to sit there and abort trips, i am sorry but you do not deserve these wonderful drugs if you treat them like a common whore like that.  This is a manifestation of ego issues and other mental issues which you are not dealing with on a trip. Plus if you abort trips you are leaving the trip when you havent worked this stuff out and it could lead to problems while sober :heart:




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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LedHead]
    #10185813 - 04/17/09 04:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I have been thinking about it and naturally I am a anxious,and hyper active person.I said be for that the attacks started after I said to myself "WOW I'm tripping hard,COOL!"I am wondering if my excitement about tripping balls causes me to get anxious and maybe that sets it off,I dont know.




its guaranteed mental dude, you dont need to terminate your trips.  That really is the cowards way out, you should not be tripping if you have to sit there and abort trips, i am sorry but you do not deserve these wonderful drugs if you treat them like a common whore like that.  This is a manifestation of ego issues and other mental issues which you are not dealing with on a trip. Plus if you abort trips you are leaving the trip when you haven't worked this stuff out and it could lead to problems while sober :heart:[/quo
I agree.I never once said that I wanted to "abort" my trips,my main issue like I said many times in the anxiety.My main question was answered by dreamer a few pages back,and that is that you cannot really take anything to help with anxiety without effecting the trip.I am going to give it a brake for about a month and try to trip again and if I have a panic attack witch I cannot control I will medicate the anxiety issue and probably call it quites if it happens again.Nothing cowardly IMO about trying to suppress bad anxiety,if I can remember correctly I believe LSDreamer said he took some Benzos while tripping because of a panic attack,just because he did that(and myself)does not mean the trip was trying to be "aborted" just means that he was trying to "abort" a panic attack not the trip.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10185973 - 04/17/09 04:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

i think you may have misunderstood what the people were saying when they said xanax stops a bad trip. Because i wouldnt say it stops it but i would say that it is going to calm you down and lead you to a better experience, no one said if you take lsd and then take xanax you wont feel the lsd at all. and if they did they are stupid.

xanax has helped me calm down while i was tripping many times when i felt on edge, i think its more mental though, i only take like 0.5


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #10313988 - 05/09/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

No offense, but all that's going on here is a stubborn inability to accept this problem as completely mental and everyone else being afraid of saying "no, you're wrong." A problem does not have to be a conscious fear of something you logically decided was worth fearing in order to be considered mental. Something can only be considered completely physical if either the drug affects only that part of the body or only the perception of physical sensation prior to any mental processing. What you are experiencing is, from completely normal effects of the drug, a completely mental anxiety attack which is caused purely by your brain's reaction to something that just so happens to be physical, but the fact that the initial stimulus is physical has nothing to do with the process. Just because your anxiety is rooted in the subconscious mind rather than the conscious mind, it does not indicate that it is at all "physical." When trying to comprehend the nature of this anxiety attack you shouldn't think of it any different from any other (mental) anxiety attack other than that it happens to be rooted in your subconscious.

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    #10314615 - 05/09/09 09:23 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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No offense, but all that's going on here is a stubborn inability to accept this problem as completely mental and everyone else being afraid of saying "no, you're wrong." A problem does not have to be a conscious fear of something you logically decided was worth fearing in order to be considered mental. Something can only be considered completely physical if either the drug affects only that part of the body or only the perception of physical sensation prior to any mental processing. What you are experiencing is, from completely normal effects of the drug, a completely mental anxiety attack which is caused purely by your brain's reaction to something that just so happens to be physical, but the fact that the initial stimulus is physical has nothing to do with the process. Just because your anxiety is rooted in the subconscious mind rather than the conscious mind, it does not indicate that it is at all "physical." When trying to comprehend the nature of this anxiety attack you shouldn't think of it any different from any other (mental) anxiety attack other than that it happens to be rooted in your subconscious.




Ok, nice first post. I am not sure I quite understood what you mean tho........

I am coming down offa shroomies right now tho... SO I might be slightly stupid.

I didnt read all the posts of this long dead relic of a thread from a month ago...................

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But, I will comment, just because the subject matter is interesting.

1. anxiety attack = you wont die.... except maybe if you are prone to a heart attack. But... the attack itself.... YOU WILL NOT DIE FROM... maybe getting too scared and jumping out a window...... but the attack ITSELF you will not die. -Why?- is it hard to AcCePt that? Dose up(not the xanax) and get back to me with an answer. :grin:  :mushroom2:

2. medically speaking. maybe the only thing you could do is get on meds.
  BUT psychedelic-ally speaking......... You -should- be able to work it out.

  2.a If you cant seem to work it out.... I would recomend taking a break for awhile.... and come back to it later.

  2.b If doing drugs to fix psychological problems doesnt appeal to you... I would recomend a good therapist.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10318366 - 05/10/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The only thing I would get from Seroquel is really bad munchies, followed by the urge to sleep. Valium is a barbiturate (so dont use with alcohol). I am actually wanting to trip, havent since 2002, but I'm worried all my meds will dampen the experience. Depakote ( mood stabilizer) celexa (AD). I've heard all kinds of rumors about different things sobering you up, but have yet to see any concrete evidence. I believe when taken to the hospital you would be sedated (least thats what they did to me) Had me take a bunch of sedatives till I passed out, woke up next day right as rain.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10318421 - 05/10/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Valium is not a barbiturate, it is a benzodiazapine.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: LSDreamer]
    #10318504 - 05/10/09 06:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Grammar Nazi





No No No!





Its Grammar nazi. Capital N on Nazi means the political affiliation, uncapitalized nazi means Nazi-like.



On the topic:

Our groups single whammy is the equivalent of 10-20mg Valium, the Double Whammy is that plus 1-2mg Haldol (an antipsychotic. The latter dose is equivalent to 50-100mg Thorazine but without the debilitating side effects.

The double whammy, with the antipsychotic, is almost never needed.

Simply put, benzos decrease anxiety and antipsychotics decrease the number of thoughts per minute as well as the intensity of the mental state.


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Asante]
    #10318665 - 05/10/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry my error, thank you LSDreamer for clarifying, I was misinformed.:crazy:


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: DNBplus]
    #10318854 - 05/10/09 07:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

is your enter key broken?


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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: Bipolardox]
    #10327683 - 05/12/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm with you on the "nice first post"but I am also not comprehending what he is trying to get across.LOL but thanks.
Man I cant believe people are still responding to this.I fixed the problem.I now take 1mg of xanax(.5in the morning and .5 in the afternoon)the day I plane on tripping and it helps,yea it might be a mental,the fact that I lower my anxiety level before tripping seems to help.And I am glade that SO many of you guys know me personally and know all about the mind(exspecally my mind)and brain.Who is to not to say that I dont suffer from BAD anxiety on a regular basis's and that when certain drugs are introduced to my brain that it does NOT increase my level of anxiety level to a point where I cannot control it.And if anxiety is all in your head,then please tell me how to stop a FULL BLOWN panic attack?You know the kind that while having medical doctors cannot tell the if it is a panic attack,or a heart attack because from what I was told by A DOCTOR not some kid in college on the shroomery ,most of the the symptoms between the two are so much a like.

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Re: How To Stop a Bad Trip:benzodiazepine V.S. anti psychotic [Re: shadyy]
    #10327694 - 05/12/09 02:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LOL thanks for the input,you seem like you really know what you are talking about.

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