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OfflineYellowSubmarine
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These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT * 1
    #1017634 - 11/03/02 03:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Ok I want to know the god honest truth. Are your postings for LVL 5 reports real or are you all just really great fiction writers. I often get to LEVEL 3s. I couldn't even fucking imagine be burned alive in hell, talking to martians, seeing planets form or look at people as if they were reptiles. I know the effects of what the shroom can do. But can it really produce these dream like effects where you can read people's minds and talk to the dead?

good bullshit is still brown bullshit

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OfflineLlamanose
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1017642 - 11/03/02 03:12 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Ouch, man.  :shocked: 


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1017656 - 11/03/02 03:30 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1017697 - 11/03/02 04:06 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Lets look at this:

"I know the effects of what the shroom can do. But can it really produce these dream like effects where you can read people's minds and talk to the dead?"

If you" know.. what the shroom can do," AND you've read about people going through these types of experiences, then why are you asking this question.

If you haven't been to level 5 its hard to imagine. Once you've been there all these reports are simply seen as the best metaphor for what the person experienced that they can come up with. In my opinion, at least......

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Strumpling] * 1
    #1017749 - 11/03/02 05:05 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: T0aD] * 1
    #1017752 - 11/03/02 05:10 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

how about you drop 7g and come back to us on this one.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: mikey_] * 2
    #1017758 - 11/03/02 05:16 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I have eatin 9 grams dried without smoking any bud and I did not trip like any reported level 5 trip here. I would say I triped a strong level 4 that lasted for 10 hours before I could even attempt sleep. I am a sensitve user where .5 gram of good dried mush will put me in a light level 2.


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OfflineLSAuser
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1017793 - 11/03/02 06:41 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

If you want a real level 5 trip, eat no less than a half!!!!!!!!!!!
Make sure you have at least 2 sober trip sitters watching you at all times and brace for the intense ride to infinaty!


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LSAuser] * 1
    #1017872 - 11/03/02 07:47 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

A half ounce?

Jesus Christ, that's 14g. I took half of that(7g), and almost lost it.














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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1017876 - 11/03/02 07:54 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

it depends on who you are more than the dosage, and yer attitude. a level five as it is described here is ego-death, it is the loss of all cares worries and wordly concepts. but to want to achieve this is a contradiction of the act itself, cuz your still wanting something.
if you want to trip hard visually, i personally suggest eating 5 grams on an empty stomach while sitting with a blindfold over your eyes. Then you'll fucking TRIP. Close eyed visuals on mushrooms is where i think people see the demons and dead people and flying monkeys. i mean, damn.... cevs are INTENSE on mushies. It'll be like an adventure. Good luck


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: SnuffelzFurever] * 1
    #1017927 - 11/03/02 08:27 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Like snuffle said - the mushroom uncovers and reveals what is within you. Taking 15 dried grams won't have a spiritual effect if you have no spiritual component to your character. Everything comes from you.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1018018 - 11/03/02 09:18 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Like driving, you need to know how the gear box is working.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: FlusH] * 1
    #1018062 - 11/03/02 09:46 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"I have eatin 9 grams dried without smoking any bud and I did not trip like any reported level 5 trip here. I would say I triped a strong level 4 that lasted for 10 hours before I could even attempt sleep. I am a sensitve user where .5 gram of good dried mush will put me in a light level 2."




see? even 9 grams only put you to a level 4 trip and you are senestive. Other people may need even more for a level 4 trip and a half ounce for a level 5 trip. I know ive never tripped yet but ive read lots of trip reports.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LSAuser] * 1
    #1018070 - 11/03/02 09:53 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i had a level4, bordering on level5 after i had fasted for around 24hrs and eaten 4g of homegrown cubensis.
but really, alot of what happens on level 4/5 is not bullshit.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: SnuffelzFurever] * 1
    #1018518 - 11/03/02 01:23 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Yep Snuffelz summed it up nicely. I was into psychedelics for years and never really had any kind of experience which could be classed as epiphanic. But that was when I externalised everything, my trips then were always about how high I could get, how much I could take, how fucked everything looked...blaaeergh!
Yep, behind closed eyes is where it's ALL happening baby...saying that, I've had some major oev's with rue. Anyone else?
Oh I do remember reading one level 5 trip report where this guy reckoned he was so fucked that his dog not only talked to him but asked him for a can of budweiser! He cracked one open and gave it to him of course, then watched it walk of into a cupboard on two legs!!! LOL  :laugh: Exellent!   


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: FlusH] * 1
    #1018656 - 11/03/02 02:04 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

you should try smoking some bud about an hour into your trip - it works magic.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Roger_irrelevant] * 1
    #1018743 - 11/03/02 02:31 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

if his trip were level 5, he would be floating, egoless in the universe. I say his trip was level 3.


level 1 is mild CEV and OEV, lights look brighter, sounds are wider, some fractuals, short trails and patterns are bold. shadows may have slight movement.
you may actually need to look for visuals. mostly a good body buzz.

level 2 is real visuals. you get intense 2-D CEV, and some simple 3-D visuals
for OEV, theres some movement, like light rippling of the walls and ceiling, rainbow colors on walls, the sky may be a plesent golden color, you see objects in clouds, the trees appear to dance or sway as if a hurricane was blowing them then sucking them.

level 3 is the same as level 2 but much more intense.

level 4 is where partial ego loss begins. you can hardly discern reality.

level 5 is total ego loss. you are floating in nothingness.




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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine] * 1
    #1018842 - 11/03/02 03:14 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I have eaten 9 grams, but my little over 6g tea w/dried thai's sent me out the futherest, I wrote my trip in level 4, although I had wicked ego loss,time loss, paralization and out of body experinces. I think the best way to get to experience over a 3 would be to take alittle more than your used to, but make tea with it, the trip is faster and very intense.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: egolesss] * 1
    #1018947 - 11/03/02 04:01 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

why would so many people make up experiences that are 'bullshit' they are interpitations of someting that cannot be described by any language.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Cow Shit Collector] * 1
    #1019189 - 11/03/02 07:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Ive had a level 4 trip before and when i read all the reports i can believe what they say. When your under during a 4 trip you lose your mind almost completely. Im still not sure wether or not to go to the next step. ah well


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1019219 - 11/03/02 07:36 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

You would be suprised how many kids would...

I dunno ive never reached a level 5, but ive had some really vivid hullicenations on lvl 4s. I suspect some of the trip reports to be fiction tho.


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    #1019494 - 11/03/02 09:32 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: MycoThaikoh]
    #1019501 - 11/03/02 09:35 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

People say he's a puppet, but i say he's a parrot. No intelligence, but constantly repeating things he hears regardless of whether they're factual.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Strumpling]
    #1019663 - 11/03/02 10:41 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I love smoking bud with shrooms, it really makes me take off!.  that trip I just happened not to have any bud :frown: 

To LSAuser:

Everybody trips different.  A few friends of mine ate 20 grams each in one sitting ( they finished eating them in 1 hour ) and they both said they tripped for a good 12 hours but did not have any loss of reality, just intense visuals and a strong buzz.  They were both sweating like they were in a hot sauna.   


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: FlusH]
    #1019678 - 11/03/02 10:49 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

they probably ate 20 wet grams each

all that 'crazy shit' is what goes on inside the head's of insane people, or at least slightly mad. if you define Level 5 as an epiphany than few of the reports are true level 5's. but most of what is in level 5 is when people don't realize anymore who they are, and they are just caught up in the trip totally at that point.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1019752 - 11/03/02 11:20 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

It has been my experience that lev 5 sort of just happens dosage seems important up to lev 4 then whether you break through to lev 5 is just a matter of chance or fate. I define lev 5 by ego loss a state where profound changes in perception occur. I have tried to induce lev 5's in self and others with heroic dosages and the results have been mixed> I am still looking for what the magic variable is to lev 5 experience. Some therapists using ibogain have stated that the ego death experience is only attainable 6 or 7 times before the ego develops defenses against the drug. I am leaning towards this line of thought about mushrooms. Trying to describe a lev 5 to someone who hasn't had one is like explaining music to a deaf man ,


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: D_Tox]
    #1019760 - 11/03/02 11:22 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

They ate 20 grams dry each. I was there for the duration of their trip. I alway's get Golden Teachers and I know exactly were they come from. I have seen the same people eat 3 tabs of strong acid and love it. To each his own.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LSAuser]
    #1020589 - 11/04/02 10:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Hey LSAuser. How can go around telling people to eat a half z of mushrooms when you havn't eaten even a cap. I hate people that try to go around telling drug users about drugs when they dont even know the effects. do you know what colors a person tends to see when tripping on mushrooms? can you actualy sit there and tell us that you know alot about tripping when you havn't ever done it? dude if your not going to eat shrooms then dont go telling others to eat em.

Hey I can feel pretty confident that I know what acid does but I have never had it so in reality I dont know shit. Same goes with alot of drugs out there that my friends do and I dont. They may tell me all about how they feel and explain in detail what they feel like but I really dont know shit. All I can do is use my SOBER mind to imagine how it feels. I was pretty confident I knew what mushrooms would feel like untill I tried them and it was totaly diffrent than what I expected.

Levels are all person dependent. I have never gone to anything I would say was level five, but I have had very strong trips on 2g's and not much stronger trips on 5.5g's. If you want a level five I would say you should take a heavy amount and do somthing diffrent. I would say wait till the next full moon and munch them at like 11:30 pm go as far into the woods as possible do not take a light do not take a watch. Wear warm cloths and bring your two best friends with you. They should be tripping as hard as you are.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: ]
    #1021492 - 11/04/02 03:01 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i dont know bro ... i use to think like that till only and 1/8 knocked my ass out. lemme tell you seeing your walls melt away and being in a field of grassy knolls is wierd fukcing wierd. super visuals!


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Kemist]
    #1022365 - 11/04/02 08:20 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I tend to agree that a lot of this is bullshit - a tryly hard mushroom experience (and i dont agree with the levels idea in the first place) is beyond comprehension, beyond time, beyond space, beyond self - your soul pops and becomes part of the everlasting sea of the universe.
It doesnt however, take any skill or intelligence to eat lots of mushrooms - mind you eight grams of dried cubensis covered two and a half dinner sized plates, so it is a lot of dried material.
By eating anything above 1 gram of dried pan cyans (again because of size of dried material, a huge amount of dried material) you will understand that it will no longer become some sort of competition...


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: ehud]
    #1022441 - 11/04/02 08:46 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"do you know what colors a person tends to see when tripping on mushrooms?"

I hear that those on pyschadelic substances, esp acid experence a red shift. sometimes its so pronounced its like looking thru red sunglasses. You may sometimes see purple shift too. Often everything is much brighter, even cartoonish looking. That happened to me on robo and LSA, but it was just slighty noticeable. You often also have rainbow colors shower from places. Like flushing the toilet for example, the water swirls in a psychadelic rainbow as if food coloring was added to the water and not mixed!


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LSAuser]
    #1023054 - 11/05/02 02:01 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

LSA user. Give me your fucking address. I'm sending you shrooms and you are going to eat them so we can just end all of this nonsense.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1024205 - 11/05/02 12:08 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I have had a level 4/5 trip before & it is pretty fucking intense when you are not sure who or where you are or what is going on around you!    :blush:

All I can say is that when you read those trip reports & say to yourself, "This can't be true!" just think about what those people are thinking when they are actually going through that experience!  It's crazy...  :crazy: 


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1026164 - 11/05/02 10:41 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

You do 11 dry grams of Cambodians and see if you don't see some visions.

Hold on to your balls!!!

It's a hell of a ride!!!



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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1026625 - 11/06/02 12:59 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

First you say PF cakes are bullshit, then you say the level 5 repots are bullshit. You need to get a glue dude.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: StS]
    #1026943 - 11/06/02 03:09 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

HA HAAAAAAAAAAA. You said Glue. On to more maturer things. I think cakes are kinda a waste of time when compared to the ammount you get with casings. Compare 2 grams with one cake to 5 grams with a casing (that's 5 grams dried per cake that's been cased) The level 5 reports were to generate conversation because I just can't believe them to be real. Maybe that's because I'm always stoned to the BaJesus when I read them and the fact that I am a film major.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1027206 - 11/06/02 06:30 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Do all film major's use terms like "Bajesus", or is it just the irish ones?


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1027446 - 11/06/02 08:59 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

i have had some level 5 experiences but through acid.
, the first time was very glimpse, i spent the whole time in level four but there were one time where i completely let go and my mind and surroundings became completly meaningless, like i literaly sank into the abyss, the deep, the tahom and had no self, it was like how existence must have been before creation of time and space.

two things are required i think,
-proper dose
-letting go

you literally have to let go of your ego. like imagine if you were to leave right there, everything that defined you and existence (all the things you love), and never come back,,,,
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Enoch]
    #1027808 - 11/06/02 11:16 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The first time I hit a level 5 was on acid as well. A small dose at that. I was sitting on the toilet watching the shag carpet flow. I became very focused on the flowing patterns while trying to figure out how I could model what I was seeing. I am not sure when it happened, but at some point I realised that I was "no longer in kansas" and paniced. It was like being shot out of a canon back to reality. The point I am getting at here is that by definition you do not know you are at level 5 until afterwards. You still have awareness at level 5, but you are not aware until after the fact. If you are thinking to yourself, "ahh, so this is what level 5 feels like", then you fooling yourself. If you are thinking to yourself, "wtf was that?!" then perhaps you had egoloss.

I have heard a lot of people argue that the levels are misleading, etc. I think levels 1-4 are pretty good, but I think level 5 is misleading. A level 5 can be had without any drugs at all. If you take so much that you "are out of your mind" then perhaps it is a level 5, but what good is it if you have nothing to take back with you?

Regarding the things some people write about in trip reports, I cannot relate. I have taken massive doses of shrooms and found my mind ripped apart; I have even visted "cartoon land" using DMT or Salvia. I have never seen the walls bleed, or anything appear that was not there, etc. I have had the sensations of strange things... for example once while laying half on the carpet and half on the tile floor, I could swear that it felt like the tile floor was falling away and I was hovering over a massive abyss, but I never saw the floor disappear or anything else. The "cartoon land" experiences are more like livid dreams... always closed eye (or beyond seeing if the eyes were open... I don't know).

Just because I have never experienced any of the things I see others post about does not me that I doubt them. Each of us is different... only the people that make the claims know for sure if they are full of BS or telling it the way they remember it.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Seuss]
    #1028019 - 11/06/02 12:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that the "levels,"while interesting and illuminating, don't capture the true dimensions of the experience.

In Leary theory (I actually met him), shrooms are a level below acid anyway. I sorta agree. I think McKenna and others we're talking 7 grams or so, or maybe MAOI, to get all the way with shrooms. It's not about visuals, they're just eye candy. Maybe on Salvia or Ayahuasca you could take mythical flying journeys and see El Dorado. I think the beauty of shrooms, particularly your own, is that they can be organic and clean and less toxic than a lot of other shit.

"Ego loss" is a tricky term. Does it mean not being conscious of your self and merging with the universe, or does it mean a loss of the Freudian ego, i.e. letting go completely of your survival/selfish side and experience all encompassing compassion and merger with others? I'd lean toward the latter. Ego loss isn't about tripping so hard you forget who you are for awhile.

I experienced "satori" at the age of 18 under some kind of PCP + possibly LSD substance. The overwhelming majority of trippers will never get there. Those of us who have spend much of our lives trying to get back there. (FWIW: PCP, Special K, dextromethorphan, etc are some kind of disassociative anaesthetics, I believe, and cause many bad trips & possibly brain lesions).

So, what is a level 5? Lots of opinions, but I'd say Level 6 is satori and Level 7 is being able to integrate the trip into your daily life so you don't need to take something to feel part of everything and everyone. For some, that's yoga, or Gestalt (my fave), or quantum physics, or whatever.

But judging from some of the flames, trashing of newbies, and use of shrooms for partying I see around, I'd say most of us have higher levels to reach.

Really wanna reach a "Level 5"? Spend this Thanksgiving working a soup kitchen.

All of the above just IMHO, a rambling, ego-driven opinion at that!

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: vildechayea]
    #1030712 - 11/06/02 11:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Really wanna reach a "Level 5"? Spend this Thanksgiving working a soup kitchen
I totally disagree with this statement.. I understand the point that you try to make here in regards to you feeling like all the old hedz in here trash us newbs adn just eat mushies to get fucked up,.. but for me my level 5 trip (just 1 1/2 weeks ago on weiliis) was one of the most mind blowingly beutiful things i have ever experienced and i think about it allll the time and am trying to integrate it into my life
In regards to the level system .. IF YOU THINK IT SUCKS COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE... 
Does it mean not being conscious of your self and merging with the universe, or does it mean a loss of the Freudian ego, i.e. letting go completely of your survival/selfish side and experience all encompassing compassion and merger with others?

i beleive both of these are equally important... forgetting who you are is very valuable to me at least... of course i love when i feel that inexplicable sense of empathy for every living thing,... but bonding with a tree and becoming one was a truly facinating experience

All of the above just IMHO, a rambling, ego-driven opinion at that!

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: joeshitragpicker]
    #1031547 - 11/07/02 06:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's very simple, wheather you do it to party or do it to find yourself. A level 5 trtip is very easy to distinguish. It's not something you look at and go, wow was that a level 5? It's more like god damn, thats what they meant.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking Bullshit [Re: baraka] * 1
    #9377364 - 12/06/08 04:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have done so many trips of different sorts during my youth i particularly loved micro dots and considered myself to be a bit of a space Cadette. That being said i recently started feeling like a trip and mushroom season is gone and LSD is know where to be found in my area. Decided to try salvia saw all the different extract strengths and i am a big believer that if theres a strong version and a mild version wheres the choice so i bought the X50 extract. I have seen all manner of things on shrooms and herd all these stories of people that seemed unreal.I prepped a big cone of salvia as i didn't believe it could be that strong after all Ive done so much acid and that seemed more like a real drug than some ground up plant extracts. I took a huge breath and held for about a min before finishing another hit. Wow i suddenly realized i was dribbling the biggest difference i can see is that it so intense because there is no coming up period it just there full on tripping. I became paranoid and believed i had to get rid of the evidence so it was not obvious how i died i made a complete mess doing this and gave up layed back and played pink Floyd. Is there anybody in there was not a great choice of songs and suddenly i felt as if i was part of the universe rather than an individual in the universe.The rest of the trip was like every other trip i have ever done i am aware of whats going on and i am enjoying the body buzz and music which is distorted. I had properly prepped my room beforehand comfort is so important and locked my doors the last thing i wanted was for my neighbors to see this babbling idiot. All that being said i just felt i had to share this and i will be buying more its an incredible substance and i like the fact that you are not off your box for that long.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LSAuser]
    #17925530 - 03/08/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I mean I felt that from the beginning after eating the mushroom that rush of pure magic. I think I had total ego loss when I am floating through this magic external land, but I really think its all subjective. I think maybe we all had some sort of level 5 experience at some point. Have you ever had anything talk to you? I have not met this phenomena.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Mysticism]
    #17925782 - 03/08/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: badactor] * 2
    #17925897 - 03/08/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #17926001 - 03/08/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting thread! I agree with others that everyone's perception of their experience is very very different. My friends describe to me shapes and visual formations that I have never seen once while tripping, however for them its common occurrence.

The only time I started to have dream like, coherent image-type visions was during my first mescaline trip a few weeks back, some faces and a tarantula, was some pretty far out shit.

I do have to say that I would maybe be sort of disappointed if I started seeing aliens or ghosts or something like that, simply because the visions I get on mushrooms are always super ambiguous and usually don't look like anything I see in normal life, and I would be hoping for the "next level" to be just as intangible/indescribable.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #17926007 - 03/08/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I love old threads.  This one got bumped 6 years later and then 5 years later.  Two epic bumps. 

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Learyfan]
    #17926018 - 03/08/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I know, it is a great thread. I just see the "Old Thread" thing done so often, I figured it was a regular thing at this point. My bad, let it continue on then :hippie:


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #17926038 - 03/08/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I've had one level five and it certainly wasn't bullshit.

Just do what I did and comsume approximately 6gs of shrooms then smoke some hits of DMT. Come back and tell us tripping that hard is bullshit.

Hey wtf this thread is older than my grandma?


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    #17926093 - 03/08/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: thephilosofist]
    #17926267 - 03/08/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

A lot of Level 5 trips are taken by people whose mind's have already been weakened by psychedelics. I'm not one for the whole "tolerence" with repeated psychedelic use. I feel like the more you take psychedelics the easier it is to get "there."


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: theonlysun81]
    #17926406 - 03/08/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Might as well contribute to a 10y/o thread.
Experiencing 1000 murders, rapes, suicides, and numerous people grieving for over an hour wasn't bullshit..

Brought a lot of good actually.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
    #17926453 - 03/08/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

i have done 12 ish grams.

... still havent had a level 5. one day?


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: 404]
    #17926528 - 03/08/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know, the whole Level of tripping thing... To me, every trip is intense in it's own way. I mean there are definitely degrees of intensity obviously, but a level 5 for someone else may not be what another person would consider a "Level 5". It's hard to really determine what each level actually is and what others believe each level is.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #17927003 - 03/08/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I've heard a lot it's a dream state, maybe by getting into the higher realms you've already passed the limit and are sort of like passing out, but I guess one should go there just to be on the safe side :grin:


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    #17927138 - 03/08/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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i have done 12 ish grams.

... still havent had a level 5. one day?



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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: SnuffelzFurever]
    #17927158 - 03/08/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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it depends on who you are more than the dosage, and yer attitude. a level five as it is described here is ego-death, it is the loss of all cares worries and wordly concepts. but to want to achieve this is a contradiction of the act itself, cuz your still wanting something.
if you want to trip hard visually, i personally suggest eating 5 grams on an empty stomach while sitting with a blindfold over your eyes. Then you'll fucking TRIP. Close eyed visuals on mushrooms is where i think people see the demons and dead people and flying monkeys. i mean, damn.... cevs are INTENSE on mushies. It'll be like an adventure. Good luck



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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Enoch]
    #17927217 - 03/08/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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i have had some level 5 experiences but through acid.
, the first time was very glimpse, i spent the whole time in level four but there were one time where i completely let go and my mind and surroundings became completly meaningless, like i literaly sank into the abyss, the deep, the tahom and had no self, it was like how existence must have been before creation of time and space.

two things are required i think,
-proper dose
-letting go

you literally have to let go of your ego. like imagine if you were to leave right there, everything that defined you and existence (all the things you love),  and never come back,,,,
and you were cool with it



Absolutely this.  I had the luck of getting a level five out of my first real breakthrough on DMT.  Loaded up the bowl with.25 or so of DMT and layered a bit of bud on top.  Before I lit the bowl I said aloud to myself that "I want to go on an adventure," and just let go as much as possible and didnt care for shit if i didn't come back.  Lit the bud with the first hit, then ripped the whole bowl using the embers of the bud to vaporize the DMT and I got the whole .25 in one hit and held it for 20 seconds.  I opened my eyes 20 seconds or so after taking the hit and the wood frame of my bed encompassed my entire vision(I had laid down on my bunk bed, so wood frame was directly above me).  Everything was violently twisting and twirling around when i looked around at my room.  Almost unrecognizable.  Then I got ripped away from my body and it felt like i lived the lifetimes of beings on another planet or maybe from the past.  But at the end of the experiences i was feeling there was the sensation of moving and then i was right outside of earths atmosphere and it looked like a picture id book came up and flipped through faces of other people on pages until it landed on mine.  Then I just felt myself coming back and then looked around and it had only been 8 minutes.


Can't imagine that kind of experience on Mushrooms though, for 8 hours at least.  I did 4g once and that was a nice 12 hour trip.  Great fun and shook loose good old memories.


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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LethargicBeing]
    #17927805 - 03/09/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

is this level 5

9:00pm. consume tea of 14 grams
9:20pm. shit this is going to be intense
9:35pm. signal of last chance.
9:45pm. I should never have done that
9:55pm. feeling like the whole universe had been waiting for this moment and everyone knew it all along and I just remember everything.
10:00pm. pure bliss and crying,visuals start becoming 3d open eyed
10:10pm. Lose my shit seriously as my short term memory is reduced to ashes while I am the only thing that ever existed and that forever.
50 trillion years later.
i look at the clock and it is around 1:30 am. i have a body and i am lying on my bed. i still think im trapped there until i walk around my place and see the rain outside. i start crying. thanking god for the illusion of time that we have on this side.


if you get reptilians and extreme thinking ur not there thats your mind playing with you. its just happening on level 5. there is nothing you can do about it.


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