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vildechayea
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Seuss]
#1028019 - 11/06/02 12:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree that the "levels,"while interesting and illuminating, don't capture the true dimensions of the experience.
In Leary theory (I actually met him), shrooms are a level below acid anyway. I sorta agree. I think McKenna and others we're talking 7 grams or so, or maybe MAOI, to get all the way with shrooms. It's not about visuals, they're just eye candy. Maybe on Salvia or Ayahuasca you could take mythical flying journeys and see El Dorado. I think the beauty of shrooms, particularly your own, is that they can be organic and clean and less toxic than a lot of other shit.
"Ego loss" is a tricky term. Does it mean not being conscious of your self and merging with the universe, or does it mean a loss of the Freudian ego, i.e. letting go completely of your survival/selfish side and experience all encompassing compassion and merger with others? I'd lean toward the latter. Ego loss isn't about tripping so hard you forget who you are for awhile.
I experienced "satori" at the age of 18 under some kind of PCP + possibly LSD substance. The overwhelming majority of trippers will never get there. Those of us who have spend much of our lives trying to get back there. (FWIW: PCP, Special K, dextromethorphan, etc are some kind of disassociative anaesthetics, I believe, and cause many bad trips & possibly brain lesions).
So, what is a level 5? Lots of opinions, but I'd say Level 6 is satori and Level 7 is being able to integrate the trip into your daily life so you don't need to take something to feel part of everything and everyone. For some, that's yoga, or Gestalt (my fave), or quantum physics, or whatever.
But judging from some of the flames, trashing of newbies, and use of shrooms for partying I see around, I'd say most of us have higher levels to reach.
Really wanna reach a "Level 5"? Spend this Thanksgiving working a soup kitchen.
All of the above just IMHO, a rambling, ego-driven opinion at that!
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joeshitragpicker
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: vildechayea]
#1030712 - 11/06/02 11:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really wanna reach a "Level 5"? Spend this Thanksgiving working a soup kitchen I totally disagree with this statement.. I understand the point that you try to make here in regards to you feeling like all the old hedz in here trash us newbs adn just eat mushies to get fucked up,.. but for me my level 5 trip (just 1 1/2 weeks ago on weiliis) was one of the most mind blowingly beutiful things i have ever experienced and i think about it allll the time and am trying to integrate it into my life In regards to the level system .. IF YOU THINK IT SUCKS COME UP WITH A BETTER ONE... Does it mean not being conscious of your self and merging with the universe, or does it mean a loss of the Freudian ego, i.e. letting go completely of your survival/selfish side and experience all encompassing compassion and merger with others?
i beleive both of these are equally important... forgetting who you are is very valuable to me at least... of course i love when i feel that inexplicable sense of empathy for every living thing,... but bonding with a tree and becoming one was a truly facinating experience
All of the above just IMHO, a rambling, ego-driven opinion at that!
ditto lol
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: joeshitragpicker]
#1031547 - 11/07/02 06:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's very simple, wheather you do it to party or do it to find yourself. A level 5 trtip is very easy to distinguish. It's not something you look at and go, wow was that a level 5? It's more like god damn, thats what they meant.
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking Bullshit [Re: baraka] 1
#9377364 - 12/06/08 04:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have done so many trips of different sorts during my youth i particularly loved micro dots and considered myself to be a bit of a space Cadette. That being said i recently started feeling like a trip and mushroom season is gone and LSD is know where to be found in my area. Decided to try salvia saw all the different extract strengths and i am a big believer that if theres a strong version and a mild version wheres the choice so i bought the X50 extract. I have seen all manner of things on shrooms and herd all these stories of people that seemed unreal.I prepped a big cone of salvia as i didn't believe it could be that strong after all Ive done so much acid and that seemed more like a real drug than some ground up plant extracts. I took a huge breath and held for about a min before finishing another hit. Wow i suddenly realized i was dribbling the biggest difference i can see is that it so intense because there is no coming up period it just there full on tripping. I became paranoid and believed i had to get rid of the evidence so it was not obvious how i died i made a complete mess doing this and gave up layed back and played pink Floyd. Is there anybody in there was not a great choice of songs and suddenly i felt as if i was part of the universe rather than an individual in the universe.The rest of the trip was like every other trip i have ever done i am aware of whats going on and i am enjoying the body buzz and music which is distorted. I had properly prepped my room beforehand comfort is so important and locked my doors the last thing i wanted was for my neighbors to see this babbling idiot. All that being said i just felt i had to share this and i will be buying more its an incredible substance and i like the fact that you are not off your box for that long.
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: LSAuser]
#17925530 - 03/08/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean I felt that from the beginning after eating the mushroom that rush of pure magic. I think I had total ego loss when I am floating through this magic external land, but I really think its all subjective. I think maybe we all had some sort of level 5 experience at some point. Have you ever had anything talk to you? I have not met this phenomena.
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Mysticism]
#17925782 - 03/08/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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"The magical dimension is real; it isn't psychological; it isn't based on the strength of will, it's as real as Mars in its orbit. There's realestate out there, folks, it's that real" - Terence McKenna
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: badactor] 2
#17925897 - 03/08/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
#17926001 - 03/08/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Interesting thread! I agree with others that everyone's perception of their experience is very very different. My friends describe to me shapes and visual formations that I have never seen once while tripping, however for them its common occurrence.
The only time I started to have dream like, coherent image-type visions was during my first mescaline trip a few weeks back, some faces and a tarantula, was some pretty far out shit.
I do have to say that I would maybe be sort of disappointed if I started seeing aliens or ghosts or something like that, simply because the visions I get on mushrooms are always super ambiguous and usually don't look like anything I see in normal life, and I would be hoping for the "next level" to be just as intangible/indescribable.
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
#17926007 - 03/08/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love old threads. This one got bumped 6 years later and then 5 years later. Two epic bumps.

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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Learyfan]
#17926018 - 03/08/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know, it is a great thread. I just see the "Old Thread" thing done so often, I figured it was a regular thing at this point. My bad, let it continue on then
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: YellowSubmarine]
#17926038 - 03/08/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've had one level five and it certainly wasn't bullshit.
Just do what I did and comsume approximately 6gs of shrooms then smoke some hits of DMT. Come back and tell us tripping that hard is bullshit.
Hey wtf this thread is older than my grandma?
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT *DELETED* [Re: thud thud]
#17926093 - 03/08/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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theonlysun81
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: thephilosofist]
#17926267 - 03/08/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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A lot of Level 5 trips are taken by people whose mind's have already been weakened by psychedelics. I'm not one for the whole "tolerence" with repeated psychedelic use. I feel like the more you take psychedelics the easier it is to get "there."
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: theonlysun81]
#17926406 - 03/08/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Might as well contribute to a 10y/o thread. Experiencing 1000 murders, rapes, suicides, and numerous people grieving for over an hour wasn't bullshit..
Brought a lot of good actually.
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i have done 12 ish grams.
... still havent had a level 5. one day?
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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: 404]
#17926528 - 03/08/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know, the whole Level of tripping thing... To me, every trip is intense in it's own way. I mean there are definitely degrees of intensity obviously, but a level 5 for someone else may not be what another person would consider a "Level 5". It's hard to really determine what each level actually is and what others believe each level is.
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
#17927003 - 03/08/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've heard a lot it's a dream state, maybe by getting into the higher realms you've already passed the limit and are sort of like passing out, but I guess one should go there just to be on the safe side
Edited by badactor (03/08/13 10:55 PM)
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: 404]
#17927138 - 03/08/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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StateOfMind404 said: i have done 12 ish grams.
... still havent had a level 5. one day?
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: SnuffelzFurever]
#17927158 - 03/08/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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SnuffelzFurever said: it depends on who you are more than the dosage, and yer attitude. a level five as it is described here is ego-death, it is the loss of all cares worries and wordly concepts. but to want to achieve this is a contradiction of the act itself, cuz your still wanting something. if you want to trip hard visually, i personally suggest eating 5 grams on an empty stomach while sitting with a blindfold over your eyes. Then you'll fucking TRIP. Close eyed visuals on mushrooms is where i think people see the demons and dead people and flying monkeys. i mean, damn.... cevs are INTENSE on mushies. It'll be like an adventure. Good luck
I had ego death via the moon in my trip report Didnt even know that was ego death haha
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Re: These Level 5 Reports are Fucking BULLSHIT [Re: Enoch]
#17927217 - 03/08/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enoch said: i have had some level 5 experiences but through acid. , the first time was very glimpse, i spent the whole time in level four but there were one time where i completely let go and my mind and surroundings became completly meaningless, like i literaly sank into the abyss, the deep, the tahom and had no self, it was like how existence must have been before creation of time and space.
two things are required i think, -proper dose -letting go
you literally have to let go of your ego. like imagine if you were to leave right there, everything that defined you and existence (all the things you love), and never come back,,,, and you were cool with it
Absolutely this. I had the luck of getting a level five out of my first real breakthrough on DMT. Loaded up the bowl with.25 or so of DMT and layered a bit of bud on top. Before I lit the bowl I said aloud to myself that "I want to go on an adventure," and just let go as much as possible and didnt care for shit if i didn't come back. Lit the bud with the first hit, then ripped the whole bowl using the embers of the bud to vaporize the DMT and I got the whole .25 in one hit and held it for 20 seconds. I opened my eyes 20 seconds or so after taking the hit and the wood frame of my bed encompassed my entire vision(I had laid down on my bunk bed, so wood frame was directly above me). Everything was violently twisting and twirling around when i looked around at my room. Almost unrecognizable. Then I got ripped away from my body and it felt like i lived the lifetimes of beings on another planet or maybe from the past. But at the end of the experiences i was feeling there was the sensation of moving and then i was right outside of earths atmosphere and it looked like a picture id book came up and flipped through faces of other people on pages until it landed on mine. Then I just felt myself coming back and then looked around and it had only been 8 minutes.
Can't imagine that kind of experience on Mushrooms though, for 8 hours at least. I did 4g once and that was a nice 12 hour trip. Great fun and shook loose good old memories.
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