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Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca
    #10127807 - 04/08/09 03:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca
April 8, 2009 - Time Magazine

Though his parents urged him to study medicine, Jimmy Weiskopf dropped out of college and moved to Colombia in the 1970s, where he eventually began to focus on a different kind of elixir. The New York City native became an early advocate for the hallucinogenic plant mixture known as ayahuasca. For centuries, Amazonian Indians have been drinking ayahuasca — a combination of the ayahuasca vine, tree bark and other plants, also known as yaje — to achieve a trance-like state that they believe cleanses bodies and minds, and enables communication with spirits. Weiskopf, who has published a 688-page tome about ayahuasca, was once among a tiny coterie of foreigners using the potion, but these days, he has lots of company.

Word of ayahuasca's healing properties has brought a growing number of New Age tourists from the United States and Europe, some of whom pay thousands of dollars to stay at jungle lodges where Indian medicine men guide them through all-night ayahuasca rituals. Sting and Tori Amos have admitted sampling it in Latin America, where it is legal, as has Paul Simon, who chronicled the experience in his song "Spirit Voices". "It heals the body and the spirit," said Eustacio Payaguaje, 51, a Cofan Indian shaman who regularly treks to Bogota to lead weekend ayahuasca ceremonies in the city. "It is medicine for the soul."

But as the subtitle of Weiskopf's 2004 book Yaje: the New Purgatory suggests, ayahuasca is not for the faint of heart — or stomach. Drinking a few ounces of the sludgy brown liquid usually leads to a violent purge from both ends of the body. Beat-generation novelist William Burroughs, seeking to get high off Colombian ayahuasca in the early 1960s, described hurling himself against a tree and barfing six times. At a recent ceremony on the outskirts of Bogota, most of the 40 participants packed sleeping bags, water bottles — and rolls of toilet paper. Sting, in a Rolling Stone interview, made clear that ayahuasca is no party drug: "There's a certain amount of dread attached to taking it," the singer said. "You have a hallucinogenic trip that deals with death and your mortality. So it's quite an ordeal. It's not something you're going to score and a have great time on."

Though the hallucinations induced by the substance can be pleasant, some people experience nightmarish visions that last for hours. The agony, Weiskopf says, is part of the allure. "You get these near-death experiences," he says. "And once you see life from the perspective of death, you become a bit more philosophical and have a better sense of what's important and what's not."

Because it contains the hallucinogenic alkaloid dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, drinking ayahuasca in the United States is illegal. But traditional use of the plant potion is permitted in much of South America. Its mecca is the Peruvian city of Iquitos, which hosts the annual International Amazonian Shamanism Conference, and is home to about a dozen lodges that cater to curious foreigners. At first, local residents feared that a flood of stoned beatniks would turn Iquitos into an unruly rain-forest Woodstock. "I thought they'd be from the hippie graveyard, with tattoos and sunken faces," said Gerald Mayeaux, a Houston native who runs The Yellow Rose of Texas restaurant in Iquitos. "But these are doctors and lawyers. These are professional people."

One of the most popular lodges, Blue Morpho, is run by Hamilton Souther, a California native who moved to Peru in 2001 to learn about medicinal plants from local Indians. After receiving the title of master shaman, Souther set up Blue Morpho, a collection of charming thatch-roof huts, nature trails and a ceremonial roundhouse where Souther offers ayahuasca sessions for a mostly U.S. crowd. As the only full-fledged gringo shaman in the Peruvian Amazon, Souther is a natural interpreter for tourists navigating the mysteries of traditional Indian culture and its sacred plants. "These are people who are interested in their own spiritual growth and development," Souther says. "For me, it's an expression of their courage to come all the way down to the Amazon on the hope that [ayahuasca] may be able to help them."

Many of Souther's guests shun alcohol and recreational drugs. Some experiment with ayahuasca to address emotional, physical or psychological problems that Western medicine has failed to alleviate. Others hope to time travel in order to confront childhood traumas. Some even view ayahuasca as a way to kick their addictions to prescription drugs.

Although traditional medicine practices had been waning in some Indian communities in Latin America, ayahuasca tourism has helped to spark a revival because guiding foreigners through the ceremonies can provide a decent income for shamen. The business has become so popular that at the airports in Iquitos and in the Colombian Amazon city of Leticia, locals trying to drum up clients for freelance medicine men stand outside the terminals shouting "Ayahuasca! Ayahuasca!"

Outsiders, however, are advised to proceed with caution. Even among devotees, there's a consensus that people with heart ailments, high blood pressure or mental disorders should steer clear of ayahuasca. And, Souther says, mixed with certain foods or recreational drugs such as cocaine, ayahuasca can be toxic, even fatal.

Despite these provisos, Weiskopf, who says he has taken the plant tonic hundreds of times "with everyone from guerrillas to government ministers," remains a passionate advocate for ayahuasca. A growing flock of travelers are heading down to Latin America to explore the experience for themselves.


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: veggie]
    #10132306 - 04/08/09 09:05 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

damn, how much do these trips cost... i would LOVE to be a part of one with some close friends


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: suburbanned]
    #10133403 - 04/09/09 12:33 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

interesting that was covered by time


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: veggie]
    #10134690 - 04/09/09 09:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

LOL



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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: John Nada]
    #10135027 - 04/09/09 11:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It is on the travel channel....so.....:shrug:



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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: veggie]
    #10136222 - 04/09/09 02:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see any good coming from media coverage on this.


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: veggie]
    #10136457 - 04/09/09 03:38 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It makes me cringe to see ayahuasca and "drug tourism". Ayahuasca is part of my religion and we don't regard it as a drug -- we regard it as a medicine. However you want to refer to it, it's definitely not a recreational substance. It's not about seeing how weird and disconnected you can get from reality, it's about refining yourself and becoming more in touch with ultimate reality. I guess it's too much to ask that mainstream media journalists know the fuck what they're talking about.


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: flowerofthegods]
    #10150199 - 04/12/09 02:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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flowerofthegods said:
I guess it's too much to ask that mainstream media journalists know the fuck what they're talking about.




Agreed.

However, being a westerner - i feel privledged to have had the opportunity to drink ayahuasca in the Amazon. I feel i approached it with proper intention/reverence/respect and fore-knowledge.

However, drug tourism certainly has its bad sides. The way ayahuasca tourism is marketed - i am sure alot of people end up in the jungle, taking it, without prior knowledge of its indiginous use or effects.

Also in Iquitos, i hear there are alot of "bunk" shaman just trying to make some coin off the tourists.

To suburban toker - ayahuasca ceremonies are very affordable if you do your research and source an indiginous shaman. You would be looking at $20-50usd per ceremony.

Somewhere like Blue Morpho will be something like $5000usd for a week. - dont fall for the tourist scams. Learn some spanish, get to the jungle, and shop around - its easier than you think :wink:


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: PDU]
    #10156945 - 04/13/09 12:02 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Also in Iquitos, i hear there are alot of "bunk" shaman just trying to make some coin off the tourists.

To suburban toker - ayahuasca ceremonies are very affordable if you do your research and source an indiginous shaman. You would be looking at $20-50usd per ceremony.




What separates a bunk shaman from a real shaman?

'Indiginous' shamans are better than civilized or urban shamans?

Be honest, a white Westerner with a pocket full of cash and no tribe to speak of is unable to relate to a shaman unless it's a vocal sample in a Shpongle song.

Point being, it isn't your "shaman" that manifests the magic. And it isn't the geographical location either. Just as Mckenna and others have said over and over again, the same trick can happen in your bedroom. 

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A growing flock of travelers are heading down to Latin America to explore the experience for themselves.




Yay! When's the next yacht?


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: Arden]
    #10159975 - 04/13/09 08:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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What separates a bunk shaman from a real shaman?





Ok - well i am of the belief that depending on training, experience and perhaps situation and genetics, different shaman have different amounts of power/understanding/efficacy.

However, what i am referring to - is that there are alot of peruvians who market themselves as shaman, in order to hoax tourists out of their american $$'s.

Shaman who is pure hearted and in tune/knows whats up vs. indiginous person with a rattle and headgear exploiting tourists - you see?

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Point being, it isn't your "shaman" that manifests the magic




I think you are mistaken. The shaman plays a huge role especially considering he's the one brewing the aya.


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: PDU]
    #10170342 - 04/15/09 12:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Ok - well i am of the belief that depending on training, experience and perhaps situation and genetics, different people have different amounts of power/understanding/efficacy.




I adjusted your statement to reflect my position.

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I think you are mistaken. The shaman plays a huge role especially considering he's the one brewing the aya.




I would say the plant plays a bigger role in this example.

The role of the shaman is mediated and contingent on the expectations of the individual, including his or her familiarity with altered states of consciousness.

A shaman, to my mind, is merely a guide that is supplemented with tools like rhythmic drumming, dancing, and psychoactives. The shaman brings about the DMT experience no more than the rain forest or the biochemistry of the person. The spiritual mystique of the experience and the healing potential can occur in an office building in Tokyo, and that's part of the point.

Don't be misled by believing any one person has hold of the reigns.


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Re: Drug Tourism: Down the Amazon in Search of Ayahuasca [Re: Arden]
    #10174270 - 04/15/09 11:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Arden said:
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Ok - well i am of the belief that depending on training, experience and perhaps situation and genetics, different people have different amounts of power/understanding/efficacy.




I adjusted your statement to reflect my position.

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I think you are mistaken. The shaman plays a huge role especially considering he's the one brewing the aya.




I would say the plant plays a bigger role in this example.

The role of the shaman is mediated and contingent on the expectations of the individual, including his or her familiarity with altered states of consciousness.

A shaman, to my mind, is merely a guide that is supplemented with tools like rhythmic drumming, dancing, and psychoactives. The shaman brings about the DMT experience no more than the rain forest or the biochemistry of the person. The spiritual mystique of the experience and the healing potential can occur in an office building in Tokyo, and that's part of the point.

Don't be misled by believing any one person has hold of the reigns.




I do not know from experience. But people i took San Pedro with while in Iquitos, who had been drinking Ayahuasca since the 70's - educated hip professionals from North America - seem to think there are certain Shaman in the Amazon who are highly revered because of where they can take you.  I think they called master shaman "bancos" (SP?) - also, my San pedro Shaman, an american women who has been in the Amazon for many years, explained in english the classification and levels of shaman, and that some are better than others.

Besides that - i will say. Going to shaman with nice facilities who cares about those he is guiding, and has nice facilities, will certainly make the difference between the fellow with a rattle, plastic lawn chairs... you get the point.

Intention matters.

Im just saying, to whoever goes to Iquitos - dont go the taxi driver at the airport yelling out "ayahuasca, ayahuasca", because thats how it is. There are people trying to exploit you.

thats it, all im trying to say.


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